the money that you will use to buy ticket, visa, passport, hotel fees in another country can be utilized judiciously in Nigeria if you got vision. if you dont have financial backing, you will just go and incure unnecessary cost in another man's country

Originalsly:
Let's engage. Let me agree with your fact... 2 years illegal work in the UK = 30 yrs unskilled work in Nigeria. With all that money the illegal is making... who on average has a better standard of living?...who has a more stable life? How many people return home to find people earning wayyyy less than they are living wayyyy better than they do abroad? ... how consistent are illegals employed abroad?.....and with all the money they make that you keep converting... don't you think you should convert their expenses as well?...and let's see if his expenses in 2 years is what an unskilled in Nigeria would take maybe 50 years to accumulate? ...and lastly... if it's so mu h better ...why are soooo many of them homeless?

Homeless where?
I k now people who do general labour on sites and they earn £8o daily Cash in hand,U can do the maths
You can feed yourself with £70 a month depends on what you want,your overhead can be £500 depends on how you wanna live.You can save £1000 monthly unskilled if you plan well.
Laast year November December, £ was N610, I know guys who took loans frm thier banks here to buy loads of properties in Nigeria.

prettyboi1989:
the money that you will use to buy ticket, visa, passport, hotel fees in another country can be utilized judiciously in Nigeria if you got vision. if you dont have financial backing, you will just go and incure unnecessary cost in another man's country

Depends on what you are investing on and your taste, some people think owning a 2 bed flat a Toyota highlander and is IT.

boyo123:
Recently i have been under lots of pressure from friends and family asking me to try and get a visa to leave the country, but i have declined

i understand that things are not well organised in this country but travelling out to me is like putting yourself in an uncertain situation , you don't even know what to expect when you get there

The most annoying for me is the fear of being denied a visa again after trying some years back

I will prefer to rather put my money into a small business here in Nigeria no matter how small and try to grow from there

At least i know some people that have travelled out of the country for years and when ever they come back home they still cant afford a house of their own, they stay with relatives that has never even been to Ghana before

What is your opinion on these nairalanders

My brother travel , intact run if you have the opportunity, don't mind these bastard enemy of progress abroad,they don't want us to come over so they can enjoy alone.Dont listen to them.

MissRaine69:
Everyone has expecations when they leave Nigeria. Some have expectations are realistic some are not. Regardless of expectations and plans let's say you go abroad and better yourself , you will still return to a country that has a very ingrained policy of who you know not what you know.
So you can return educated to the hilt and be ready to be productive but if you are not well connected it amounts to nothing and that is what frustrates many to the point of not returning.

Secondly some Nigerians struggle abroad because they cannot adapt. Because they were a big chiefs here they carry that attitude abroad. They remain static in their views and mindset criticise and disapprove of everything in the respective adopted countries why did you come then? You have to have a certain type of acumen and attitude.

To be honest, I do not think anyone should come back from abroad well educated and trained and start looking for a JOB, they should be employers of labour.

drakeli:
If you are talking in terms of traveling to any of these Asian countries, Dubai inclusive, I support your opinion. But if you think traveling to US, Canada is not worth it, then you have to think again. The only problem you have is fear. Fear is an enemy of progress. You have already put yourself in an uncertain situation thinking Nigeria will get better. I pray it will. But it has been getting worse since before we were born. Why would you allow the failure or unfavorable situations of others be a factor in deciding whether you will make it or not. Why not use the success stories of others as a motivational factor in your decision to travel? I traveled out of Nigeria. Not just because of me alone, but because of my children unborn yet. And I'm glad today that I did.

Bross whats wrong with US and Canada? last I checked non of the Asian countries has a passport that can better your kids, prove me wrong plz

holakunle69:


Interesting in was also once in ur shoes .but you wanna know the simple truth? Your making it in life doesn't lie in any country or location.alot have gone out dere and still didn't make it ,and alot have stayed behind and still haven't either ways ..put ur plans in the hand if God he's the one that designed you and definitely he's got a plan .why not ask him and save ur self of this stress ...remember one wrong step can ruin an entire destiny..

I do not agree with you, YOUR LOCATION matters, this is why the west is his best option cos it gives you unlimited opportunity.

Unless Jesus christ or Prophet mohammed appears to me phyically to change my mind about leaving this country...

I have been struggling to the point of suicide...even though i see money hhere and there...

I see no hope at all...all my family aint here though and i know they are doing fine where they are in UK and USA...I have no friends here.i have no stable job..i have no wife...

What am i doing waiting and age is counting...

I leave everything to God..as adult we all make decisions for ourself...if you like stay in Nigeria..you have something doing..

I do not have anything concrete doing and it saddens me day and night...

It is well !

erico2k2:

Homeless where?
I k now people who do general labour on sites and they earn £8o daily Cash in hand,U can do the maths
You can feed yourself with £70 a month depends on what you want,your overhead can be £500 depends on how you wanna live.You can save £1000 monthly unskilled if you plan well.
Laast year November December, £ was N610, I know guys who took loans frm thier banks here to buy loads of properties in Nigeria.

Homeless where?....Site.... £70.... cash... daily.... for how many days?....are you not referring to illegals ...many homeless...who gather at certain points and hope... hope that a contractor will pick them for a day's work? Is this kind living better than an unskilled in Nigeria?... you need to do better than this.

There is no greener pasture anywhere, only d grace of God lifts men up. U can be in white house in America and still experience hardship.
Wherever u are, only ask 4 God's mercy favour and grace and you will succeed.

seangy4konji:
Unless Jesus christ or Prophet mohammed appears to me phyically to change my mind about leaving this country...

I have been struggling to the point of suicide...even though i see money hhere and there...

I see no hope at all...all my family aint here though and i know they are doing fine where they are in UK and USA...I have no friends here.i have no stable job..i have no wife...

What am i doing waiting and age is counting...

I leave everything to God..as adult we all make decisions for ourself...if you like stay in Nigeria..you have something doing..

I do not have anything concrete doing and it saddens me day and night...

Are you sure your all your family and friends are doing fine abroad?...or that's what their mouths be saying? If yes... then why are they not helping you?....or in fact why are you not helping yourself? You don't have anything concrete doing.... bro... not sure about the UK... but if you have relatives in the US ...doing fine.... if you have a concrete plan.... and are responsible.... and are willing to help yourself... then your relatives should be more than willing to at least help you establish a business.

If u decide to stay in naija, u r on your own. All my friends doing biz in ariaria don commot since. Nigeria is no more sweet for biz. Have u asked urself why booklet is so scarce now

boyo123:
Recently i have been under lots of pressure from friends and family asking me to try and get a visa to leave the country, but i have declined

i understand that things are not well organised in this country but travelling out to me is like putting yourself in an uncertain situation , you don't even know what to expect when you get there

The most annoying for me is the fear of being denied a visa again after trying some years back

I will prefer to rather put my money into a small business here in Nigeria no matter how small and try to grow from there

At least i know some people that have travelled out of the country for years and when ever they come back home they still cant afford a house of their own, they stay with relatives that has never even been to Ghana before

What is your opinion on these nairalanders

No, its not. When you have the right opportunity and resources to do what you know best and gives you joy, you will make it bigger here than someone who has traveled out

erico2k2:

Brov you will make more money in western worlds in Dubai,this is fact, go and check, all the prince there schooled here got trained here in the Uk, as we speak I know of few schools set up by the emirates here in London,Thier main Biz is here.Dubai is a collection of wealth gained fru the years by the emirates and most coy go there cos of zero tax, I have been there loads of time.you are talking bout brand new car, ,my 21 year old colleague just bought a 2017 BMW M3 ,as far back as 2012 I bought a brand new Range rover @ £98k,buying a new car is not a measure of ones achievement in the country they find themselves rather how they enrich thier self in personal development and those around them.
for example,What quality of life are your kids having living in Dubai,your wife can own a car cant drive? list goes on and on we can go on and on

the car mentioned was in relative terms to Nigeria not the western world. You are rushing to reply without reading twice. Also I said Qatar not Dubai. Bros women drive here and dress the way they do anywhere. Living standard here beats that of the us by far. Where as a black man your life is threatened when pulled over by the cop.

RELEASEUS:
the car mentioned was in relative terms to Nigeria not the western world. You are rushing to reply without reading twice. Also I said Qatar not Dubai. Bros women drive here and dress the way they do anywhere. Living standard here beats that of the us by far. Where as a black man your life is threatened when pulled over by the cop.

have you felt threatened when pulled by a cop in the US or Uk B4?, I asked you a simple question, of what use is your living i n Qatar promoting the life of your immediate family?
This is the Internet anybody can be everybody, I had guys who told me they ehre Engineers, marketers blaah blahh at the end @ Dubai they where agents who help 4wards goods for shipment for people who came to buy.I still find it weird you aint got any comment on the property/building section on NL, just saying.

erico2k2:

To be honest, I do not think anyone should come back from abroad well educated and trained and start looking for a JOB, they should be employers of labour.

That is an ideal that does not bear any fruit in this country if you are not well connected it's a battle. And that is the problem.

MissRaine69:

That is an ideal that does not bear any fruit in this country if you are not well connected it's a battle. And that is the problem.

I talk from personal expirience, I did not need to know anybody b4 I started my Biz.
A mechanical Engineer can start his own firm, dnt need nobody
A doctor can start his own practice dnt need nobody
A lawyer can start dnt need nobody
YOu can start your import export biz u dnt need nobody
You can build and sell houses U dnt need nobody the list goes o n

donprinyo:
If u decide to stay in naija, u r on your own. All my friends doing biz in ariaria don commot since. Nigeria is no more sweet for biz. Have u asked urself why booklet is so scarce now

booklet? whats that?

dasparrow:


I feel you. I totally get where you're coming from. Do what's best for you because we only have one life to live and time waits for no man.

Your submission, specter and that of mansamossa are the best post l see on this thread, well articulated and delivered, the three of you have help to post my thoughts in a holistic manner

Originalsly:
Homeless where?....Site.... £70.... cash... daily.... for how many days?....are you not referring to illegals ...many homeless...who gather at certain points and hope... hope that a contractor will pick them for a day's work? Is this kind living better than an unskilled in Nigeria?... you need to do better than this.

Where did you see homeless Nigerians gather in the UK waiting for jobs,why tell fibs??or just assuming from stories?There is such word as Agency,www.gumtree.co.uk or jobcentre.co.uk?£70 for like 3 years? the Cross rail has been going on for up to 7 years and still going, I know three guys working there as general labor. I think U are forgetting £70 = N32,340 today's money, skilled Oil workers earn N300k in PH a month, do the maths.

ijoka:
OP, reading your story i have to ask myself that hope am not the one that wrote this in my subconsciousness​. i am also under pressure to get a visa and leave this country. I lost my job last year due to downsizing and i have tried some very small Businesses with what i had but at the end none is yielding, people owing me here and there. The economic environment is not friendly.

In all sincerity, i do not really keen about travelling out but what other options do i have left now, i am in my late thirty with a family and we all need to survive. The few companies that are employing make tougher their recruitment Process due to large, unprecedented number of people in the labour market, this make it a bit hard to get a job now. There is no hope in sight that things will get better any time soon.

Well, i am still trusting God on this before i take any decision.

I see that you are trying to contact me privately. I don't respond to private messages. If you would like to talk more, please create a thread in one of the less visited forums and I will respond there.

erico2k2:

Where did you see homeless Nigerians gather in the UK waiting for jobs,why tell fibs??or just assuming from stories?There is such word as Agency,www.gumtree.co.uk or jobcentre.co.uk?£70 for like 3 years? the Cross rail has been going on for up to 7 years and still going, I know three guys working there as general labor. I think U are forgetting £70 = N32,340 today's money, skilled Oil workers earn N300k in PH a month, do the maths.

And tax and bill wipes everything and turn u to a debtor. Do the maths....

erico2k2:

Where did you see homeless Nigerians gather in the UK waiting for jobs,why tell fibs??or just assuming from stories?There is such word as Agency,www.gumtree.co.uk or jobcentre.co.uk?£70 for like 3 years? the Cross rail has been going on for up to 7 years and still going, I know three guys working there as general labor. I think U are forgetting £70 = N32,340 today's money, skilled Oil workers earn N300k in PH a month, do the maths.

And tax and bill wipes everything and turn u to a debtor. Do the maths....

erico2k2:

I talk from personal expirience, I did not need to know anybody b4 I started my Biz.
A mechanical Engineer can start his own firm, dnt need nobody
A doctor can start his own practice dnt need nobody
A lawyer can start dnt need nobody
YOu can start your import export biz u dnt need nobody
You can build and sell houses U dnt need nobody the list goes o n

Starting a business and being successful at it are not one of the same.

erico2k2:

Where did you see homeless Nigerians gather in the UK waiting for jobs,why tell fibs??or just assuming from stories?There is such word as Agency,www.gumtree.co.uk or jobcentre.co.uk?£70 for like 3 years? the Cross rail has been going on for up to 7 years and still going, I know three guys working there as general labor. I think U are forgetting £70 = N32,340 today's money, skilled Oil workers earn N300k in PH a month, do the maths.

Not sure about the UK... are you saying illegals can get jobs through these agencies? ...and since you like converting. ... the oil worker can manage to afford a two bedroom flat in PH.... how much rent/mth would he pay?.... and how much rent would the illegal pay for similar flat in London? You can pretend you didn't read this.

MissRaine69:

Starting a business and being successful at it are not one of the same.

well the definition of Business goes beyond that, I have been doing Biz in Nigeria for that past 10 years while stil in the Uk, never did I worry about know anybody. MayB in your line of Biz you do need to k now a person not mine

Originalsly:
Not sure about the UK... are you saying illegals can get jobs through these agencies? ...and since you like converting. ... the oil worker can manage to afford a two bedroom flat in PH.... how much rent/mth would he pay?.... and how much rent would the illegal pay for similar flat in London? You can pretend you didn't read this.

I agree with you that illegals are doing things that make you wonder if it is all worth it. I used to think like you, until I asked someone here why they stay despite making so little. He told me that despite his struggles, he has security, good roads, no shortage of food, quality medical care and free schooling for his future children. He said it's the comfort of modern life that keeps him in place in the US. So now I understand why those who may not be able to build a house back home, are willing to stay in places like the US and UK. I cannot speak on Qatar because I have never been there. However I do know Americans who work there due to the amount of money and tax breaks. I think both of you have some valid points. In the end, Nigeria is not a good country and until that changes, I don't blame anyone for leaving.

Originalsly:
Not sure about the UK... are you saying illegals can get jobs through these agencies? ...and since you like converting. ... the oil worker can manage to afford a two bedroom flat in PH.... how much rent/mth would he pay?.... and how much rent would the illegal pay for similar flat in London? You can pretend you didn't read this.

Im talking about the Uk thats all I know, I cant talk about those living in Asia.I will let our Asian brothers do that.
its better to restructure your question as knowledge seeking rather than an argument, you do not need me to answer that question you can google for howmuch a room cost to rent its there black and white.
Rent wise can cost as small as £10 a day if you do your maths well.I already gave a brief on over head, I summed up ones overhead to be £500 if you plan well and into that circle .
In PH my tenants pay me N450/year for 2 bed flat.The society in London is structured in a way that you only pay for waht you want not what you dont need,ie you do not need a car if you cant drive and park at work you do not need a big house if you live by yourself you cna just rent a room .No one cares, you dont need to show off to anyone but in Nigeria its a different case, you manner of talking thinking the way you live is IT not at all
And yes illegal get jobs fru Agencies, its very easy as ABC.

Zilifish:


And tax and bill wipes everything and turn u to a debtor. Do the maths....

YOu should read again, u forgot the part where I said Cash in hand, and indeed £70 for most is after tax,I have been paying tax for the past 17 years i die? the tax paid by you and the millions of Nigerians are more than the tax I pay in the Uk, while I see my tax working, my kids going to Uk UNi and i do not have to pay nothing, what has your own tax got to offer you??
Do the maths again

Yes oh, research the country wella before you travel there. Don't just go to any country oh