Ken4Christ:
Those arguing against tithe payment are either not born again or not actively involved in the work of the ministry. Otherwise, you will be be an anti tither.

madone:
you re a fool my guy I go remain wait for you to come out.I wish I no ur face book account I ll even meet you there to the world how stupid u re....if u re a Christian read this or take to ur pastor to explain to u. Cos many youths are blindfoldedwith lies there is a spirit of lie flowing right now on the internet. Deceiving and fooling young people "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." ( John 14 : 17 )

Goshen360:


Christ NEVER told CHRISTIANS to give 100% if he did, show us scriptures AND I'LL SHOW YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD. You've been flying with this statement all around but I kept letting you slide with it.

madone:
a woman u would call oloso used a Perfum that cost as much as a man yearly salary to clean Jesus feet. On entering Jerusalem people dropped the cloth for donkey to work on.Simone peter led his boat. Widow gave her last meal t Elijah. People sold their land to give to the apostles...guy weti u sabi.u re just a fool listening to freeze and reading google .i can see where ur literacy came from ...dully boy.

Ken4Christ:


Jesus didn't talk much on tithing but he mentioned it on one occasion - Matthew 23:23. And in that occasion, he didn't condemn it. He said they should continue to pay it but should also not neglect what he called the weightier matters of the Law.

At other occasion, his emphasis was on giving. But the manner and ways he taught us to give places much more demand than even tithing.

In other words, Jesus did not reduce the burden of giving. He rather wants us to give more.

But how many of us are giving the way Jesus taught us to give. Only the early church practiced it.

The church therefore chose to permit only the burden of tithe since most people are reluctant to give the way Jesus wants us to give.

You can't condemn tithe and also ignore the teachings of Jesus on giving which demands you should sell off your assets and give to the poor - Luke 12:33.

Our Lord Jesus encouraged support for those involved in missions work. He told his disciples not to take pocket money or extra shoes and clothes. For a labourer is worthy of his wages. How will the mission workers get their new clothes if those they minister to don't make definite budget for them. This is a form of tithe. It may not be exactly 10% but I am sure it's much more than 10% for the fund to cover clothing, feeding and accommodation.

The Apostles also encouraged the support of ministers of God. If those under the old Testament were commanded to give 10% to support workers in the house of God. It is common sense to know that this is the very least required.

Tithing is not a law in the new testament. It is a principle of giving back to those you receive spiritual blessings from. So you can decide to make your contribution 20% or even 90%. You must have a definite budget to support ministers who guide you in the way of truth.

We know we are not under the Law of Moses but we can draw moral lessons from what was practiced under the Law. And the lesson is, make budget for the workers in the house of God. If under the Law, they gave 10 %. We should even give more because the work of ministry is even more demanding than it was under the old Testament. So anyone calling for people to totally withdraw their 10% or not give it is completely senseless and don't understand ministry.

Next2Bezee:


I rest my case, you are destined to remain an illiterate. Better use those stolen tithes and start again from Nursery School. Anuofia.

madone:
lol ewu isiopupu. Why won't u rest ur case.reprobate fool. I see how u use ur silly mind to deceive ur self.

Next2Bezee:


Removed

Next2Bezee:


My brother, you are blessed. I'm out.

My opinion on tithes being used to help won't change. I don't believe that God will curse me or send me to hell because i don't pay my tithes to churches.

But that's just me...and a number of others.

Good night.

Ken4Christ:


I have been expecting this question.

First he had an encounter with a young rich ruler who boasted he has kept all the commandments of God from his youth. Jesus responded,

Mark 10:21
One thing thou lackest: go thy way, SELL WHATSOEVER THOU HAST, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Jesus didn't tell him to go and sell half of his assets. He said, sell off whatsoever you have and give to the poor. And he will have treasures in heaven. Is this not as good as 100%. Well, you might argue he did not say that to everyone but I will show you another Scripture where he said so in a general term.

Ken4Christ:


Luke 12:33-34
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

This is 100% demand by our Lord Jesus.

The early church practiced it.

Acts 2:44-45
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts 4:34-35
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

You know what happened to Annanias and Sapphire who tried to play smart. They kept back part of the sales of their land just the way most of you are keeping back your tithes and they died.

If you think Jesus about to reduce your burden of giving, you are kidding. He wants you to give more and even all. So, there is no way out. Start from the 10% and over time, God will give you more grace to give more.

Goshen360:


Your above statement not true....there're millions LIKE MYSELF who understands scriptures and live by it. Do you need me to give you contacts here on NL I have given money to to further their education? Or those I have contributed to for welfare AND I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE and not seen them up till date?

Do you need me give you contacts of churches I have helped while they're trying to grow? Do you need me to give you contacts of friends and family I have given capital to start business in Nigeria? I can go on and on and btw, these churches I mentioned collect tithe but members still can't donate much, Im the single greatest donor financially.....what there is the problem and where is the promise of tithe paying to these church folks?

I don't have to neither do i mean to sound my alarm but your statement above is reckless and untrue and there're millions like me WHO DON'T TITHE BUT DOES THE SAME. I remember 3 brothers here on NL when I just came to the States and I needed money so bad and I contacted them, without knowing or seeing me before in their lives, they sent me money AND THESE BROTHERS ARE STILL ON THIS SITEM fighting tithe scam AND ARE CHRISTIANS LIKE ME.

THIS, is what the kingdom of God is all about!

Goshen360:


This is what is called cut and paste scripture knowledge or you just wanna argue for just argument sake or you're trying to make the bible say what YOU want it to say but hey, lemme put scriptures in right perspective for YOU and the AUDIENCE.....like we're already in a DEBATE...

The Rich and the Kingdom of God

17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’d ”

20“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it ise to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

27Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

28Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”

29“Truly I tell you[b],” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.[/b] 31But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Hightlights:

1. The basis of this conversation of Christ and the rich man is on WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?

1b. Upon Jesus' reply, DO CHRISTIANS have to follow or obey the 10 commandments to HAVE ETERNAL LIFE or believe in Christ? John 3:16. Now, if Christians are to believe to have eternal life, why then did Christ told him to obey the commandments to have eternal life? The answers are there - these people BOAST in their works of the law! So then, Christ gave him another answer.

1c. Jesus was still under the law at this time and His Audience was people used to the law and who boast in the law - so we saw this man boasting to have kept the law from childhood.

2. On the second response to sell everything - DON'T FORGET THE QUESTION IS....what must i DO to have eternal life. Does Christians SELL EVERYTHING AS A MEANS OF GAINING ETERNAL LIFE from Christ or believing in Christ?

3. Lemme wrap this together for you and the audience - Christ is making the requirements HARD or HARDER so that THOSE UNDER THE LAW WILL BECOME SO BURDENED TO THE POINT THEY WILL SEE A NEED FOR HIM AS THE ONLY WAY OR HOPE OF SAVIOUR.

4. #3 point above is demonstrated in ANOTHER KIND OF MAN in the scene, PETER. Peter said, what about US that have LEFT EVERYTHING ALREADY as in opposite of this young rich man AND HAVE COME TO YOU? So you see, the focus is ON CHRIST as the requirement for having eternal life!

Goshen360:


What the early church practiced is in direct opposite of what today's church is practicing. Today's church has been hijacked by thieves and false teachers.

Now, there was a need and problem in the church then as there will be need in today's church. What did the early church do? Everybody contributed - MORE OF LIKE OR AS A SACRIFICE which was what Christ preach and encouraged NOT AS A MEANS TO ETERNAL LIFE but among brethren. And who did the early church do with what everyone brought? THE APOSTLES DISTRIBUTE ACCORDING TO EVERY MAN'S NEED.

What does today's church do? They collect from EVERY MAN but distribute to SELECTED FEW. How do you explain a church taking tithes and many other contributions or sacrificial donations from an average poor man, build universities and schools and these poor or middle class people children can't even attend such schools and universities - it should be free or at least affordable. How do you explain members, poor or middle class contributing to a church organization, the church buys jets and ONLY THE PASTORS OR SELECTED FEW fly the jet? Is that how the early church USED THE SACRIFICIAL DONATIONS? - and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Goshen360:


This is what is called cut and paste scripture knowledge or you just wanna argue for just argument sake or you're trying to make the bible say what YOU want it to say but hey, lemme put scriptures in right perspective for YOU and the AUDIENCE.....like we're already in a DEBATE...

The Rich and the Kingdom of God

17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’d ”

20“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it ise to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

27Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

28Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”

29“Truly I tell you[b],” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.[/b] 31But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Hightlights:

1. The basis of this conversation of Christ and the rich man is on WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?

1b. Upon Jesus' reply, DO CHRISTIANS have to follow or obey the 10 commandments to HAVE ETERNAL LIFE or believe in Christ? John 3:16. Now, if Christians are to believe to have eternal life, why then did Christ told him to obey the commandments to have eternal life? The answers are there - these people BOAST in their works of the law! So then, Christ gave him another answer.

1c. Jesus was still under the law at this time and His Audience was people used to the law and who boast in the law - so we saw this man boasting to have kept the law from childhood.

2. On the second response to sell everything - DON'T FORGET THE QUESTION IS....what must i DO to have eternal life. Does Christians SELL EVERYTHING AS A MEANS OF GAINING ETERNAL LIFE from Christ or believing in Christ?

3. Lemme wrap this together for you and the audience - Christ is making the requirements HARD or HARDER so that THOSE UNDER THE LAW WILL BECOME SO BURDENED TO THE POINT THEY WILL SEE A NEED FOR HIM AS THE ONLY WAY OR HOPE OF SAVIOUR.

4. #3 point above is demonstrated in ANOTHER KIND OF MAN in the scene, PETER. Peter said, what about US that have LEFT EVERYTHING ALREADY as in opposite of this young rich man AND HAVE COME TO YOU? So you see, the focus is ON CHRIST as the requirement for having eternal life!

Goshen360:


Your above statement not true....there're millions LIKE MYSELF who understands scriptures and live by it. Do you need me to give you contacts here on NL I have given money to to further their education? Or those I have contributed to for welfare AND I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE and not seen them up till date?

Do you need me give you contacts of churches I have helped while they're trying to grow? Do you need me to give you contacts of friends and family I have given capital to start business in Nigeria? I can go on and on and btw, these churches I mentioned collect tithe but members still can't donate much, Im the single greatest donor financially.....what there is the problem and where is the promise of tithe paying to these church folks?

I don't have to neither do i mean to sound my alarm but your statement above is reckless and untrue and there're millions like me WHO DON'T TITHE BUT DOES THE SAME. I remember 3 brothers here on NL when I just came to the States and I needed money so bad and I contacted them, without knowing or seeing me before in their lives, they sent me money AND THESE BROTHERS ARE STILL ON THIS SITEM fighting tithe scam AND ARE CHRISTIANS LIKE ME.

THIS, is what the kingdom of God is all about!

Ken4Christ:


Your act of benevolence is very scriptural and should also be emphasized. But you also need to send regular support to your local church. It is not compulsory it must be 10%. It can be more but anything less is giving sparingly. Those who have grown in the grace of giving don't limit themselves to 10%. The tithe is the starting point.

asuustrike2009:

Those against tithes haven't pointed one single verses in the Bible which say we shouldn't pay. At least when thet argue, argue with prove and in this case is from the Bible. They keep on running from pillar to post without justification

Ken4Christ:
Your act of benevolence is very scriptural and should also be emphasized.
But you also need to send regular support to your local church.
It is not compulsory it must be 10%. It can be more

Ken4Christ:
but anything less is giving sparingly

Ken4Christ:
Those who have grown in the grace of giving don't limit themselves to 10%

Ken4Christ:
The tithe is the starting point.

plainbibletruth:


"When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question." Actsc15:4-6

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:


You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell." Acts 15:28-29

"For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior]."
ROMANS 10:4 AMP

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." Galatians 3:13-14

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." Galatians 5:4

plainbibletruth:


"When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question." Actsc15:4-6

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:


You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell." Acts 15:28-29

"For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior]."
ROMANS 10:4 AMP

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." Galatians 3:13-14

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." Galatians 5:4

asuustrike2009:


Non of the scriptures justify or say tithe shouldn't be paid. Where was it specific not beating around the bush

plainbibletruth:


So, what is the "bush" you think these sculptures are beating about?

asuustrike2009:

It's not specific or precise to the point.

plainbibletruth:


"Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth."
2 TIMOTHY 2:15 AMP

asuustrike2009:

You should study and ask the holy spirit questions regarding tithing not what you think or know.

Ken4Christ:


The New Testament Saints is also a Jew by faith. We are the faith seed of Abraham.

Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

kellybee95:



guy e no follow abeg.... read from 1 down to 27 to understand what 28 and 29 are saying...... you are part of those people that take portions of scripture and interprete as u like...... may God have mercy on you

Ken4Christ:


You that know what the Scripture is saying should explain it to me. Otherwise remain quite on this issue.

Ken4Christ:
I would love to have a public debate on the subject of tithing with Daddy Freeze and all Anti Tithers. It should be moderated by someone who will maintain a neutral view. It should be telecast and all speakers should be given time to speak for or against with backings from the scriptures. I am waiting for your response.

In addition, we will choose a venue that is close to all participants.