sonofluc1fer:

That you are even asking this shows the sorry state Christianity is in today. It's all about money. Let's not pretend you give a damn or care about any of those 'poor' people. They are just numbers to you.

Hope you will follow them up after the program is over.

hopefulLandlord:

Have you thought that the reason Seun doesn't act like Zuckerberg is because he's not Zuckerberg?

Gerarahia with your emotional response

bennyann:


I'm with you on this dear sir. You know I foresee Zuckerberg trying to bribe seun to take over nairaland ..

. But if care is not taken, nairaland would have to compete with me and I'm serious

hopefulLandlord:


compete with you? you have a website I'm not aware of?

Seun:

You give the church all your real things, and in return, you get promises of imaginary things. That’s not a fair deal. Please wake up!

If a church truly believes in eternity, they should give money to their members during this life in exchange for 10% of their members’ “eternal rewards”.

Christ said that the way to give to him is by giving to the needy. If you must give your all to Christ, give it to the needy in your community.

blessedvisky:
If you are conversant with Nigerian Crusades, you'll know that most "converts" are usually very poor and possess little or no education at all.

The ones who dedicate their time and effort to follow up these converts often use their own personal resources without reimbursement from any one.

Now how much tithe can you get from an unemployed man? How much tithe can you get from an uneducated widow who lives on the goodwill and support of friends and family?

Daviddson:

Daviddson:
As long as the world exists, comparison will never stop! I'm not using him as a standard, but he's worth mentioning here because of similarity in position.

Seun:
Focusing on souls that can be converted into tithe-paying members of Deeper Life church will bring in more money on the long run. Smart.

Update: Apologies to those who were offended.

Seun:

I just wanted people to be aware that soul-winning benefits churches by increasing their recurring income. It's not an entirely sacrificial act.

enshy:

You are myopic sir.
I mean you couldn't even see beyond your nose and popular knowledge.
Soul winning benefits first the object - the convertee cos he has eternity in view
second the subject - the converter cos he has eternal rewards
Evidently then, church growth is just a right consequence with responsibility to ensure that the convertees are nurtured and brought up according to sound doctrine and godly principles. Tithe and Offering is an evidence of a vibrant and sacrificial Christian Life. If God gave His Son, Christ gave His Life, we reciprocate by giving our ALL. Money is just one of the things we give: We give our time, talent, strength, Life, goals, ambitions, desires.
Seun, you can be an IT guru or one of the brightest and richest young entrepreneurs, I make it bold to say that you are spiritually empty and be sure that a life without Christ will end empty and damned for all eternity!

Come Lord Jesus, Come!!!

enshy:

In the natural, you have acted like a true leader and matured man. Kudos!
But honestly, your apology is to mortal men and who are we to take offence?
Ild rather you give God place in your heart...Repent and submit your talents...You will find life everlasting.
You are a great man on earth...You deserve greatness on the other side...You need Jesus!
May God help you find him. Amen!

bennyann:


You know seun sounded like the souls are strategically selected after determining the value of their pockets before they're converted.

Seun, just try giving us the dislike button and only then would you understand the value of your first post. It's obvious you wouldn't give us the dislike button

Seun:
Churches aren’t winning souls per se. Just stealing souls from each other. Virtually all souls won by churches come from different churches.

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahaha. Satan residing inside his hosts is manifesting and projecting how angry he is at how many souls have been won away from his clutches.

And i wish Seun will give us the dislike button then he'll see how much he is disliked.

Seun:
Churches aren’t winning souls, by the way. Just stealing souls from each other. Virtually all souls 'won' by churches come from other churches.

bennyann:


Hmmm. He will be delivered..

He is disliked? Disliked you say? This is serious.

Seun I know you are not to live a life trying to please others only to displease yourself but if truly you're disliked by many, please reduce the number if you can.

Me I like you o, so plenty much but some of your actions I despise, though from your view I can understand. As a leader, learn to be for everybody and for nobody but not like PMB o.

I don't just believe but I know you would know God like you've never known Him before but till then don't let go of that maturity I admire in you, please increase it for this forum's sake and for your sake.

bennyann:


You're not entirely wrong there but has there been evidence that the souls won from the crusade were all once active in a former church?

Stop talking along a single line, cut across the divides also..... That makes it fair.
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By the way, is stealing not a strong word? Making general conclusions and strong affirmations on this issue is a no no from the bolded.

Emmanystone:

Preaching to the Choir. You give something to get something remember?9 I'm confident that he gave something to get this forum. He is fighting too hard and paying boys to disparage God, its not for nothing. Time shall tell.

hopefulLandlord:

This is a new level of conspiracy theory

hopefulLandlord:

This is a new level of conspiracy theory

bennyann:
You're not entirely wrong there but has there been evidence that the souls won from the crusade were all once active in a former church?

Stop talking along a single line, cut across the divides also..... That makes it fair.

By the way, is stealing not a strong word? Making general conclusions and strong affirmations on this issue is a no no from the bolded.

Seun:
Churches aren’t winning souls, by the way. Just taking souls from each other. Virtually all souls 'won' by churches come from other churches.

OLAADEGBU:


I hope all the anti-tithers are taking note.

God2man:


I agree with you but one or two other churches also sacrificed valuable time to spend with their families by sleeping in various hostels for the crusade from Wednesday to Sunday without any tangible monetary reward.

Deeper truly left an indelible mark with the way they embraced other churches in their hostels, I mean deeper life hostels, they accommodated other churches in their hostels.

God bless you Sir. I was trying to quote you but ended up quoting a wrong person. Me and the guy ola has a different view about the whole issue on ground.

The first day of the crusade, I witnessed about 15 to 20 of big Brt side Deeper life buses, I was told that some of my members came through deeper life buses.

PASTOR Kumuyi has taught me something, he has really left an indelible mark on me.

He is a true man of God.

bennyann:
Daviddson how are you doing? I just want you to know that personally, I wouldn't like you to be in a position where I would have to compare you with another. Even if I have to, it should be in a case where you have the upper hand.

OLAADEGBU:
Daily Manna
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2017

OUR WATCHWORD

TEXT: LUKE 12:1-12

"In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy" (Luke 12:1).

Jesus identified the leaven as the insincerity and hypocrisy of the of the Pharisees. They observed outward ceremonies of religion without inner and character transformation. Many today have the appearance of obedience to codes and regulations without corresponding piety.

The Pharisees always gathered to listen to Jesus with sinister motives. Jesus knew and still knows what is in the heart of man. He knew that the multitude that gathered did not come to be helped out of their spiritual blindness. Most of them had come to find a word to ensnare Him.

Jesus was not deterred by their schemes and wicked plots. He knew them and what they had come to do. Jesus therefore, advised His disciples to be resolute in their faith in God and in their commitment to the work of the Kingdom. He urged them never to fear any mortal but only God who had the ability to deliver and destroy now and in the world to come.

Most times, we misread the motives of those who attend our fellowship meetings; who come to spy out the simplicity of our worship and the commitment of genuine souls. They pretend they are with us but they come to cause division and to lead others astray. They come to criticise and water down the word of God. They are those who point us to other churches, how strict we are and the need to lower the standard to accommodate others. It takes a spiritual eye to see such insincerity. Many people have been led out of faith and destroyed.

As believers, we must not be drawn into any fellowship that is capable of corrupting our convictions in the Lord.

Bible Reading in one Year: EZEKIEL 18-21

Thought for the day: Not all that glitters is gold.

See more HERE:

Seun:
Churches aren’t winning souls, by the way. Just taking souls from each other. Virtually all souls 'won' by churches come from other churches.

bennyann:

Non, j'ai un rêve. It's just a dream and it will come to pass depending on sun's actions.

I think my dry jokes are enough already for today

Seun:
Churches aren’t winning souls, by the way. Just taking souls from each other. Virtually all souls 'won' by churches come from other churches.