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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:40pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro: For Lukakus defensive responsibilities Bring any top striker of a big club and lets compare him to Lukaku Take a game this striker has played and lukaku has also played e.g Say Aguero has played Team A away and Lukaku has played Team A away Let us compare the heat maps and let the people on here decide Kane and other top club strikers plays in a more offensive setup and have less defensive responsibilities than Lukaku dont know about what Van persie or Man utd did 4 or 5 seasons ago, But was Mourinho the coach of Van persie? Everyone knows Mourinhos demands of a striker is different from other coaches say Ferguson or Guardiola So will you bring the similar games played this season maybe like 5 and lets compare Lukaku to other strikers to show you the heatmaps 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:41pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
slimghost: Lukakus lack of performance is due to the tactical setup of the team which requires him to do more defensive work than other strikers out there |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 2:35pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Lukaku does not have any lack of performance, ignore these people, when we see bad performance we know. For now Lukaku is performing optimally. Though there is room for improvement. NB: I am not in any way saying nobody should criticize ooo, they should continue. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:38pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
CapitalCee: They probably mean he isnt scoring as much, Let them bring Aguero Lacazette Morata Jesus Kane to be playing defence wings and everywhere else but the box and lets see how it will work out |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:20pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Look at where Lukaku played against Brighton vs Brighton striker, Murray. Why did Lukaku not score despite playing in the box? Look at their pass accuracy sef. Murray has better pass accuracy in opposition's half- where it matters most. Lukaku has high pass accuracy when playing in his own half. Lastly, Murray is currently outscoring Lukaku in goals per 90 minutes.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:25pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: It is very hard for a striker to score when team park the bus against you, because two defenders take care of the striker. Also look at it from that angle, that a player like Aguero is always playing against a 'parked bus' |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:40pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Manchester United vs Newcastle Venue = Old Trafford Lukaku played 90 mins and scored one 1 goal, 65% pass accuracy in opposition's half Dwight played 74 mins and scored 1 goal, 85% pass accuracy in opposition's half. HEAT MAP Dwight hardly got the ball to use, and he played at half line away at Old Trafford. Yet he did not complain, he delivered a goal.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 3:41pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter:All this talk of tactical setup and defensive work was not there when Llukaku was banging in goals He is not even the best defensive striker in the league, their are other strikers with better defensive outputs than llukaku. It seems LLukaku's impact which is hardly felt in matches as nothing to do with tatics, am sure Man U is more attacking this season than Everton were last season. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:43pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Lukaku's pass accuracy in opposition's half may actually be the problem of the team. This is part of other things (apart from goals), that we complained about his game, now being exposed Statistically. I will pray for Lukaku though, he is still young. So he has years to improve. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 3:50pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter:All these strikers you mentioned don't play fox in box or target man. They drift to the wings and to midfield and are involved in the play. They spend more time closer to the midfielders and wingers than LLukaku. They play like AM or better still advanced strikers. Don't you think the issue is LLukaku trying to play more like them. He played that way atimes last season with Everton but not his pattern or style like Lacazette, Aguero, Morata, Kane. But how can you say this players play as target in the box , when even from the amount and kinds of passes they make you should know better. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 3:53pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: At least we agree on the lack of performance. The rootcause is another discussion all together. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 3:59pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 4:11pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: If 13 goals and 5 assists in 21 games is not scoring enough, then we will begin to wonder if there is another meaning of the word "enough". 13/21 * 100 is almost 70%, which is distinction in academics. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 4:15pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro: How many goals and assists does Murray have, and when did Lukaku play against Burnley inna United shirt? No epistles please. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 4:17pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
CapitalCee: 21 goals in 21 matches maybe |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 4:20pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elrony: The Dwight Gayle of Newcastle he is talking about, the goal he scored at old Trafford is first of the season, as well as first in a very very long time. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:23pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
raumdeuter: We will go there may be thus night. I cannot see his defensive duties from stats, except clearances from set plays. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:25pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elrony: 5 goals in 814 minutes beat Lukaku hands down |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 4:25pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro:lukaku has played against Burnley dis season Elampiro now u don turn fortune teller |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 4:28pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elrony:now elampiro is talking rubbish all in a bid to make sense. Who else has watched manutd vs Burnley where lukaku featured dis season. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Caveatemptor(m): 4:33pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Have United played against Burnley this season? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:34pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Strikers heat map vs Liverpool The other two guys scored playing from half line. They rescued a point from their teams in games they would otherwise have lost. But Lukaku - "I was playing at half line"
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:40pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Caveatemptor: lekkie073: Lukaku has played against Glenn Murray of Brighton. I meant Brighton. Those who knew football would understand. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by funlord(m): 4:47pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Upon say you play penalty go throwing you still wan form those wey know go understand? Lwkmd! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dantedasz(m): 4:49pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Burnley |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 4:56pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
CapitalCee: Elampiro be manufacturing criterion in his head Look at the stat he posted vs Lukaku If I wanted to argue I'll use that to bury him in my own terms |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 4:56pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro:u r a joke of an analyst... So d 'B' alone is enuf for u to mistake Burnley for Brighton. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 4:57pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
lekkie073: Too much of everything is bad really.. Baba elampawa has started playing matches on the club's behalf 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 4:59pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
funlord:can u imagine? Knowing ball is now by manufacturing stats for game not yet played 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 5:05pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro: Epa you don dey yan like who need deliverance o So Glenn Murray with 5 goals is now better than Lukaku with more goals n assists? It is finished I swear down, you're just vulcanizing your "I am right" complex. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 5:21pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elrony: The Dude is a Talkative! Nah una go tire! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:21pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
elampiro: You havent done what I asked, Bring any top striker of a big club and lets compare him to Lukaku Take a game this striker has played and lukaku has also played e.g Say Aguero has played Team A away and Lukaku has played Team A away Let us compare the heat maps and let the people on here decide You see the part in bold, Going to pick one random Brighton or Burnley striker wont cut it, Bring a striker from a top team and a gem where he has played the same opposition in the same location like Lukaku |
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