godisgood200:

Do you know who Waraqa Bin Nawal was?

He was an Uncle to Kadijat who insisted the being which almost strangled muhammed to death was not a demon but an Angel from the God of the Jews/Christians. She took her young husband to her uncle who wad the Balaam of his time (He was a catholic convert/a soothsayer) at the same time.

Waraqa mentored muhammed into plagiarising the bible, only, even him didn't get a good grip of the Bible.

Without Waraqa, there won't be islam or the koran.

So, yes, muhammed put the islamic together.

Lady `Aisha (the mother of the believers, may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Messenger was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira’ where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food likewise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira’. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon, he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,

Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous. (Al-`Alaq 96:1-3)

Then Allah's Messenger returned with the inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal ibn Asad ibn 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Messenger described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Messenger asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Revelation was also paused for a while.” (Al-Bukhari)

Waraqah was a pagan worshiping the idols at Mecca in the beginning of his life. He was one of four people who determined to forsake the idolatry of Quraysh and search for the right religion. This decision was at one of Quraysh’s pagan festivals. They were Waraqah ibn Naufal, `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath, `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh and Zayd ibn `Amr ibn Nufail. They decided to abandon the worship of idols as they deemed it contrary to every reason and sound understanding. Waraqah and `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath professed Christianity. `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh lived till the advent of Islam and embraced Islam. Zayd ibn Nufail kept to the remains of the religion of Prophet Ibrahim until he passed away.

One wonder, where is in the historical texts stated that Waraqah was the teacher of the Prophet Muhammad? Which historians said that? What is the source of these allegations? What is the evidence? Who narrated that the Prophet would frequent Waraqah seeking knowledge from him? Where were the people of Qurashy, who fought the Prophet with every possible means and lost their greatest leaders in battling with Muhammad, from these claims? Had not they seen the Prophet Muhammad once learning something from Waraqah or repeating his words? Had not they seen him accompanying Waraqah? Yet, how many days and night did the Prophet spend with Waraqah? What is the likeness between Waraqah’s views and the Prophet’s ones? No answer comes but just groundless allegations and blatant lies brought out of concealed grudge and malice against Islam and Muslims. No evidence but real falsehood.

Demmzy15:

Lol, Christians have been the ones killing and persecuting Jews throughout the century. In fact some Jewish scholars consider the first holocaust to be perpetuated by Christians when they conquered Jerusalem in the 11th century. They killed thousands of Muslims and Jews, these are facts. On the other hand, Muslims have protected them.

Typical of you to shift the goalpost. This is not about Christians Persecuting the Jews. It's about Musims receiving instructions from allah to kill the Jews. If it's the same case, you can begin by posting Scriptures which Jesus said we shd kill the Jews while we post the koranic verses to that effect.

When will you stop deceiving yourself Demzy? You allah is false, but you can't admit it.

Demmzy15:

Unfortunately, it's exactly what you Christians do!

Is it possible for you to say the truth for once?

Demmzy15:

You exaggerate too much, Christians are around 2.5 billion. And show me where I stated all Christians hate Zionists, I never said such. Trump, Pence, Hillary are all Zionist Christians, read my posts well because posting. There are many Christians who are against this, some are Arabs others are Europeans.

Pls, were they Zionists when allah ordered you Muslims to perpetually hate and kill the Jews?

What have this so called Zionists done to you Muslims?

Demmzy15:

Google is your friend my friend!

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You mean the same google you refuse to see what it states about you?

analize701:


Typical of you to shift the goalpost. This is not about Christians Persecuting the Jews. It's about Musims receiving instructions from allah to kill the Jews. If it's the same case, you can begin by posting Scriptures which Jesus said we shd kill the Jews while we post the koranic verses to that effect.

It's not an instruction, it's bound to happen. The Jews quote their Holy Books while killing Muslims, so why shouldn't I do the same when there's going to be a legitimate war against them?

Fact remains Christians have killed more Jews than anyone in the world!

When will you stop deceiving yourself Demzy? You allah is false, but you can't admit it.

Ok

Pls, were they Zionists when allah ordered you Muslims to perpetually hate and kill the Jews?

Why did you Christians kill and butcher them like animals?

What have this so called Zionists done to you Muslims?

I need not to tell you that!

You mean the same google you refuse to see what it states about you?

OOF point, if you have something reasonable to post, Holla me!

Gggg102:



What's the meaning of YHWH

It is the personal name of the God of the Jews.

We are not about the meaning of the names, but the personal names.

'God' is not a personal name of any deity. Every Deity has his name. God is a title, like teacher, king, chief. But all the teachers, kings and chiefs have their names.

and allah means god, the question is, what is his personal name.
Pls don't try to shift the post. I will hold you down here.

Maybe when we are done with the names, we can go on to their meanings, but lets deal with names for now.

analize701:

You mean Muslims who pretend to be Christians hate Zionists? Wow. I love Zionism. I love the Jews to dead. I'd rather i died in the hands of a Jew who hates me because am a Christian, than die in the hands of a muslim. Tufiakwa

How does this even make sense? Why would a Muslim pretend to be a Christian, it's the other way around!

Now this is serious fanaticism, the Jews you slap and beat yourself over hate Jesus and his mother. I wouldn't want to post some of their words here!

shadeyinka:

I see that your definition of Zionist is actually based on ignorance hence your evasive answer. I didn't ask you what google thinks (that's other peoples definition), I asked for YOUR OWN DEFINITION!

Why is the definition of a Zionist relevant to this discussion, I didn't define Zionist anywhere here or did I?

If Christians have killed Jews as you say, it had never been on the authority or instruction of Jesus nor the Bible.

The Bible commands Christians to eat the bodies of their children, why won't it command worse. For the records, Christians who committed this crimes have legitimate support from the Bible.

However, your greatly esteemed prophet had been known to almost exterminate a whole community of Jews. Your prophet also forcefully consummated a marriage with a beautiful Jewish woman whose husband has been murdered by him.

The Jews planned to exterminate the Muslims despite having a treaty with Muslims, his Jewish wives loved Islam so much that they retained the title of Mother of Believers even after he died. For a fact, they're my mother. What's more fascinating is that, the Jews consider their Golden Age to be under an Islamic state not Christian State, you seriously need to read more.

We also have records of your wonderful compilation of hadith's how you Muslims on the instruction of Allah and his Messanger razed down Jewish settlement.

Any problem? We also have documents of how Jesus commanded the killings and butchering of people who don't accept him, I'll love to play this card. You're not intelligent and religious than those church leaders that practiced by killing millions of unbelievers(Muslims, Jews, fellow Christians,
nativepeople, pagans)

Do you want me to print them out in black and white for the whole world to see your ignorance?

I should be the one asking you this!

I shake my head for you. If Christians compiled the hadith's, you would have said its a lie. Are your Beloved Buhari, Muslim ,Abudabi liars?

What are you saying? Hope you are not eating ewedu mixed with Igbo

You can't rewrite the truth of history.

OF course, we can't. This is why I love history, you can destroy Christianity based on its history. The fact is billions of Christians are cut off by 2,000years. The don't know what has happened beyond that because that's the departure of Christ.

Oya I'm waiting for you!

BenzEne1:



Lady `Aisha (the mother of the believers, may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Messenger was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira’ where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food likewise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira’. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon, he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,

Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous. (Al-`Alaq 96:1-3)

Then Allah's Messenger returned with the inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal ibn Asad ibn 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Messenger described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Messenger asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Revelation was also paused for a while.” (Al-Bukhari)

Waraqah was a pagan worshiping the idols at Mecca in the beginning of his life. He was one of four people who determined to forsake the idolatry of Quraysh and search for the right religion. This decision was at one of Quraysh’s pagan festivals. They were Waraqah ibn Naufal, `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath, `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh and Zayd ibn `Amr ibn Nufail. They decided to abandon the worship of idols as they deemed it contrary to every reason and sound understanding. Waraqah and `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath professed Christianity. `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh lived till the advent of Islam and embraced Islam. Zayd ibn Nufail kept to the remains of the religion of Prophet Ibrahim until he passed away.

One wonder, where is in the historical texts stated that Waraqah was the teacher of the Prophet Muhammad? Which historians said that? What is the source of these allegations? What is the evidence? Who narrated that the Prophet would frequent Waraqah seeking knowledge from him? Where were the people of Qurashy, who fought the Prophet with every possible means and lost their greatest leaders in battling with Muhammad, from these claims? Had not they seen the Prophet Muhammad once learning something from Waraqah or repeating his words? Had not they seen him accompanying Waraqah? Yet, how many days and night did the Prophet spend with Waraqah? What is the likeness between Waraqah’s views and the Prophet’s ones? No answer comes but just groundless allegations and blatant lies brought out of concealed grudge and malice against Islam and Muslims. No evidence but real falsehood.

Funny how you can't see that your copy and paste afirms my point.

Organs:



Oh Yes my good friend... All the things against the attributes of God is impossible for God to do. It is not limiting it is to describe the magnanimity of God and all these he mentioned. For example God supports the whole world and all therein and it is impossible for God to be tired, or feel fatigue. It is impossible for God to go to sleep, etc....All these things are impossible for God, like i said, they are not limiting, they are just our human limitations in our understanding of God. Remember our inability to comprehend God, is our comprehension of God.

You put it well my brother in saying
"All the things against the attributes of God is impossible for God to do"
Like God cannot lie
God cannot break his promise
God cannot be limited
God cannot fail etc

Now, how does "God cannot take up the shape of His creation" fit into things against his attributes?

Let me give you some scriptures from the first book of the Taurat

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

How does an infinite God speak unto man without the man exploding from the sound of His voice?
Could it be that for mans sake God reduced the intensity of the power of His voice? (Who can withstand the power of Kufayakum?)

Genesis 12:7
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

How does an infinite God appear to a mortal man and the man doesn't vapourise instantly?
Could it be that God appeared to Abraham in a form suitable for him to bear?

Of course the Torah didn't explain how God appeared unto Abraham, so we are in the dark as to how Gods appearance was made possible and of course we can term it as a figurative expression. And I am not insinuating that God appeared to Abraham as a man here.

But then, how about if I show you from the Taurat that God at least once appeared to Abraham as a Man.

Pardon me for the long quote from the Taurat, but it is good for your understanding that what you term impossible has precedence in the scriptures.

Genesis 18:1-33
And the LORD appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he (Abraham) lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

This is what you have termed impossible!
1. The Lord came to Abraham with two of His Angels and the three appeared to him as Men.
2. These Men ate bread and meat (even though God does not need food neither does His Angels)
3. Abraham saw God and two Angels without vapourizing (God didn't show Himself with His Glory)
4. Abraham negotiated with God etc

Later in Genesis chapter 19, you will see that two angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah as men, seen by Lot and the men of those cities as men.

Would you still say this is impossible with God (Appearing as a Man?).

analize701:

It is the personal name of the God of the Jews.

We are not about the meaning of the names, but the personal names.

'God' is not a personal name of any deity. Every Deity has his name. God is a title, like teacher, king, chief. But all the teachers, kings and chiefs have their names.

and allah means god, the question is, what is his personal name.
Pls don't try to shift the post. I will hold you down here.

Maybe when we are done with the names, we can go on to their meanings, but lets deal with names for now.

I'll be waiting.

Demmzy15:


Why is the definition of a Zionist relevant to this discussion, I didn't define Zionist anywhere here or did I?

You said "Muslims don't hate Jews, Muslum s hate Zionists".
And you have been dodging the question. What's your definition of Zionist!

Demmzy15:

The Bible commands Christians to eat the bodies of their children, why won't it command worse. For the records, Christians who committed this crimes have legitimate support from the Bible.

Are you capable of comprehension of simple English?
Please read it again and show how Christians are commanded to eat the bodies of their children.

Please remember to quote the verse when you succeed in digesting it. SMH

Demmzy15:

The Jews planned to exterminate the Muslims despite having a treaty with Muslims, his Jewish wives loved Islam so much that they retained the title of Mother of Believers even after he died. For a fact, they're my mother. What's more fascinating is that, the Jews consider their Golden Age to be under an Islamic state not Christian State, you seriously need to read more.

When greediness make Muslims desire the wealth of their neighbours, they " give the dog a bad name" as their custom so that they can hang them. You know the history.

But let me remind you that when your prophet with his followers fled from Mecca. It was a Christian King/Ruler (Abyssinia) who protected him even against the wishes of the rulers of Mecca.

Less than 20 years later. The same Mohammed had conquered Mecca, established himself as prophet AND now requires Christians to Convert or pay the Jizya.

Wicked is an understatement of such betrayal. Of course it is perfectly the right way to treat Christians for the evil of protecting them from slaughter.

Demmzy15:

Any problem? We also have documents of how Jesus commanded the killings and butchering of people who don't accept him, I'll love to play this card. You're not intelligent and religious than those church leaders that practiced by killing millions of unbelievers(Muslims, Jews, fellow Christians,
nativepeople, pagans)

Really?
I dare you to bring it out.

Demmzy15:


I should be the one asking you this!



What are you saying? Hope you are not eating ewedu mixed with Igbo



OF course, we can't. This is why I love history, you can destroy Christianity based on its history. The fact is billions of Christians are cut off by 2,000years. The don't know what has happened beyond that because that's the departure of Christ.

Oya I'm waiting for you!

??

shadeyinka:

You put it well my brother in saying
"All the things against the attributes of God is impossible for God to do"
Like God cannot lie
God cannot break his promise
God cannot be limited
God cannot fail etc

Now, how does "God cannot take up the shape of His creation" fit into things against his attributes?

Let me give you some scriptures from the first book of the Taurat

How does an infinite God speak unto man without the man exploding from the sound of His voice?
Could it be that for mans sake God reduced the intensity of the power of His voice? (Who can withstand the power of Kufayakum?)

How does an infinite God appear to a mortal man and the man doesn't vapourise instantly?
Could it be that God appeared to Abraham in a form suitable for him to bear?

Of course the Torah didn't explain how God appeared unto Abraham, so we are in the dark as to how Gods appearance was made possible and of course we can term it as a figurative expression. And I am not insinuating that God appeared to Abraham as a man here.

But then, how about if I show you from the Taurat that God at least once appeared to Abraham as a Man.

Pardon me for the long quote from the Taurat, but it is good for your understanding that what you term impossible has precedence in the scriptures.




This is what you have termed impossible!
1. The Lord came to Abraham with two of His Angels and the three appeared to him as Men.
2. These Men ate bread and meat (even though God does not need food neither does His Angels)
3. Abraham saw God and two Angels without vapourizing (God didn't show Himself with His Glory)
4. Abraham negotiated with God etc

Later in Genesis chapter 19, you will see that two angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah as men, seen by Lot and the men of those cities as men.

Would you still say this is impossible with God (Appearing as a Man?).

ShadeYinka: You are indeed deep. You might be misinterpreting all these based on semantics most especially if the translators misinterpreted it. Remember, you are reading and quoting from a "Translated copy". The Bible was not revealed in English. Also, the version you are reading might for example translated it differently. In Islam, you will hear do not take anyone as your Awuliya -Friend except he is a muslim... Awuliya is "Protecting Friend" Now you need to go deep into history to understand where the verse was revealed and the circumstances. Now, little assignment for you. Read at least 4 different Bibles and try to find who went to the tomb on the third day after the resurrection... You will understand that translations gives it different meanings.

Gggg102:


I'll be waiting.

Why not tell us allahs personal name?

analize701:

Why not tell us allahs personal name?

I'm not a Muslim.

I only asked for the meaning of YHWH

analize701:

Why not tell us allahs personal name?

I'm not a Muslim.

I only asked for the meaning of YHWH
Do you know the meaning?

Demmzy15:
How does this even make sense? Why would a Muslim pretend to be a Christian, it's the other way around!

Now this is serious fanaticism, the Jews you slap and beat yourself over hate Jesus and his mother. I wouldn't want to post some of their words here!

Altigyya is why a muslim can pretend to be a Christian to lie and promote islam.

Why won't you post some of those words, and wait for me to post the prophecies which says everything that happened to Him will happen?

Demmzy15:


It's not an instruction, it's bound to happen. The Jews quote their Holy Books while killing Muslims, so why shouldn't I do the same when there's going to be a legitimate war against them?

Fact remains Christians have killed more Jews than anyone in the world!



Ok



Why did you Christians kill and butcher them like animals?



I need not to tell you that!



OOF point, if you have something reasonable to post, Holla me!

Jews quote the Bible while killing Muslims where? Chai, Demzy, you can lie oo. without small shame sef.

Why not post where the Torah commanded them to kill Muslims. You have no idea what you muslims are walking into. No one touches the Jews and goes free. YHWH shall judhee allah like He judged the gods of Egypt.

I will take you serious if you give me a Scripture that enjoined Christians to kill the Jews.

Gggg102:

I'm not a Muslim.
I only asked for the meaning of YHWH Do you know the meaning?

Why is that important? Anyways, it means 'I AM'.

analize701:

Why is that important? Anyways, it means 'I AM'.

I was going to say I AM is not a personal name

Gggg102:


I was going to say I AM is not a personal name

Go ahead, with valid points of course.

analize701:

Go ahead, with valid points of course.

When moses asked God for the name to tell the Israelites. God said "I am who I am".

Moses: who are you
God: I am myself

Gggg102:



When moses asked God for the name to tell the Israelites. God said "I am who I am".

Moses: who are you
God: I am myself

Is this your valid explanation?

Let me help you. Go into the Etymology of that term 'I AM' and get the meaning, then come lets talk. I won't do it for you.

Don't start what you can't finish o.

analize701:

Is this your valid explanation?

Let me help you. Go into the Etymology of that term 'I AM' and get the meaning, then come lets talk. I won't do it for you.

Don't start what you can't finish o.

This is what I saw from your suggestion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am

Organs:




ShadeYinka: You are indeed deep. You might be misinterpreting all these based on semantics most especially if the translators misinterpreted it. Remember, you are reading and quoting from a "Translated copy". The Bible was not revealed in English. Also, the version you are reading might for example translated it differently. In Islam, you will hear do not take anyone as your Awuliya -Friend except he is a muslim... Awuliya is "Protecting Friend" Now you need to go deep into history to understand where the verse was revealed and the circumstances. Now, little assignment for you. Read at least 4 different Bibles and try to find who went to the tomb on the third day after the resurrection... You will understand that translations gives it different meanings.

I understand your point. Unfortunately, it is impossible to completely grasp the meaning of the original text of a language unless on is versed not only in the vocabulary but the culture of the owner of the language.

And there, both of us are at the same plane. You may know the arabic vocabulary BUT are you versed in the culture? You can only be versed in a culture by living with the owner of the language for some extended period of time.

Let me give you an example:
In Yoruba Language I will give some phase which only the Yoruba's will understand:

Mr A: Se Ounje mi ni yen? Is that my food?
Mr B: O'uni! Wa gbe! It is! Come and carry it!

But the response of Mr B is wrongly translated even though semantically correct.
Mr B is actually scorning Mr A: it's like saying "stupid man! Does this food look like yours?"

So even though the literal translation is correct but the meaning is vastly different. Only one deep in the Yoruba culture will understand the reply as a scornful response.

Now, your assertion is that the bible is written in English language and hence the original meaning could have been lost. Yes I agree if the one who did the translation is not versed in the culture. But, you who may know Arabic vocabulary is in the same fix if you are not versed in the culture. (Except someone who is versed in the culture explains it to you).

Now, that is the beauty of translations by experts and they use various means

Some do
1. Literal/Inter linear translations (you just match vocabularies and leave the readers to make sense of the expressions)
2. Nearest meaning from the translated language in the cultural context the target can understand.
Example : Bread (English) = Akara (Fried Bean Cake)
3. Force the target to adopt the strange words
Example: Snow (English) = S'no (Yoruba)
Etc.
To compound the problem, some phrases even have double or triple meanings that the original speakers of the language too are confused as to what the author means. That is, except you get the original author, some texts are just impossible to fix.

Example: I slept with my wife yesterday night!
Could mean
1. I slept on the same bed with my wife
2. I had sex with my wife

Interestingly, I think the Bible has so many (English, Yoruba, French etc) translations (usually by experts in both the language and culture) using varying/different approaches to translations that as Christians we have a more balanced view of the scripture.

A difference between us is that we don't have tefsirs (which sometimes could be wrong) but is followed because the author is respected. Anyone with a command of the language (including you if you are willing) can decide to translate the books as you deem fit. It adds to the pool of knowledge.

Of course when it comes to translations, some are weak and some are strong in one way or the other and some are pure junk.

But then, I still smile when my Muslim friends accuse me of reading a TRANSLATED bible when I could have read the original. The problem is who is better
1. My friend who can Read Arabic but understands only 30 vocabularies and 12 phrases
2. My friend who can read Arabic, understands 200 vocabularies and can speak some Arabic but had never ever lived with Arabs (and sometimes you know that time difference in generation changes meanings of some words)
Some 30 years ago in Yoruba land
Eree (Uncooked Beans) = Ewa (Cooked Beans)
Now
Both Cooked and Uncooked beans are called Ewa.
3. Me who has a good command of Yoruba and English with Several Translations, Concordances, Expository Commentaries of the Bible in Yoruba and English.

I think I have more access to quality information about the meaning of phrases in the scriptures and their context. I know a little of the Jewish culture to wade through.


Here is an example of an interlinear Hebrew-English translation of Genesis

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1.htm

Please read this: I am sure you will not agree with it (I have no opinion on this too) but its about Egypt. They want to pass a law legalising sex with a dead spouse

http://raymondibrahim.com/2012/05/01/islamic-death-sex-in-context/

If the Egyptian Arabs cannot agree as to what "slept with" means how much more a non Arab Muslim who couldn't have been culturally as deep as them?

analize701:

Why is that important? Anyways, it means 'I AM'.

I am that I am is not a name either, don't you get smug.

analize701:

Hahahahahahahaha. You lied big time.

Jesus never failed to attend their Jewish Services in the Synagogues. He went to their Temples everyday to preach. He quoted freely from the Old Testament. He washed his feet and did to his Apostles too and asked us to continue doing it to each other.

The only people he stood against were the Pharisees who taught to pervert the Message God gave to Moses with the Traditions of men Just like the Catholic Church is doing now.

Pls srop lying.

Uhh the same thing I am talking about, its their culture or doctrine, sure, he does it, but not after their hypocrisy! crack! I tire for una o

analize701:

A Jew is someone who comes from Judea. Jesus is a direct descendant of Judah the 4th son of Jacob, how is He not a Jew.

Is 'Jew' a religion or tribe?

Read again, the answer is there.

juanomowa:

Read again, the answer is there.

I have read it. You said Jesus is not a Jew. How is He not a Jew?

juanomowa:


Uhh the same thing I am talking about, its their culture or doctrine, sure, he does it, but not after their hypocrisy! crack! I tire for una o

But you made it seem like Jesus was outrightly opposed to everything YHWH did with the stock of Israel.

Remember he came to fulfill that Law?

1Sharon:


Allah/ god is not a name, it's a title. Ur god should have
his personal name

Quran 20:14"Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

godisgood200:

What have you said now?

that Jesus had 2 contradictory genealogy in your bible. so which one do we take?

1Sharon:


I am that I am is not a name either, don't you get smug.

Listen sis. I didn't say ' I AM is a name, i said it is the meaning of YHWH.
We were talking about the personal names of gods, not their meaning when he came up asking for the MEANING OF YHWH.

The name is YHWH

The meaning is 'I AM THAT I AM.

When Moses asked YHWH who are you, 'what shd i tell my people that you are'? YHWH gave him that response.

The reason Moses asked this question was, in Egypt where he lived, there were so many gods and those gods had their personal names and their portfolios distinguished them, hence; he asked God, what do i call you?

He told Moses his portfolio. What he does. (meaning)

It was later He told Moses His name, YHWH.

analize701:

lolzzzzz. The Bible is not a book like the koran, the Bible is a compilation of books. Will these people ever learn?

learn what? if its a compilation of books by dig and harry then stop telling us that its from God since the people God send did not contributed in the compilation of these books neither instructed any body to do that.