MizMyColi:


Hi dear, this got me piqued.

How does one indirectly invoke this entity?

LotusFan:


I didn’t want to ask, was afraid I might have used up my quota.

Boriqua:
All spiritualists, theologists and men of God should please enlighten us on this question. Since we all know that we have two structures that made us up, the spirit man and the astral body, and we also believe that the spirit controls the physical. And what so ever that is manipulated in the spirit is manifested in the physical, now, for you to be able to control or manipulate a situation you go to the spirit. Now, which of these activities exposes the spirit man to manipulation, weakness in attack and affliction, is it sex or masturbation. If there are more please add.

Sarassin:


It is a more complicated issue than simply performing the sexual act and becoming spiritually aware. There are multiple paths to the Divine experience which in reality is spiritual awareness. There is ritual observance, Love and of course the sexual gateway as part of a sustained ritualistic method. I do not wish to delve too deeply into the matter, but in the hands of one who knows what he/she is doing then yes, a practitioner will recognise the point of ecstasy and will then walk through the doors into a greater awareness.

MizMyColi:


Hi dear, this got me piqued.

How does one indirectly invoke this entity?

Dohgon:


Spirit is present in man as his Conscience while his Soul is his living body. Man cannot excape the mechanisms of his body, only control them. (Desire) is the Souls greatest motivater.

Spirit is pure energy. It cannot be evil, corrupt, or manipulated therefore, Sex can only corrupt a weak Soul. We may strive to be more Spiritual (conscientious) but we are anchored by the pleasures of the Flesh (Soul). Both sex and masturbation are of the Soul, not the Spirit.

LotusFan:


I didn’t want to ask, was afraid I might have used up my quota.

Sarassin:

MizMyColi:


Oh I'm sure he doesn't mind.

Boriqua:
"sex can only corrupt a weak soul" please sir, how can a soul be weak, what prompts the weakness and please whats the way out.?

Dohgon:


Soul is an energy field that is generated by living tissue. Some people can actually see it. Souls can die but Spirits can't. We begin as Souls then transform into Spirits according to our good deeds in life.

Strenghten your Soul by doing good deeds. Sex is natural to the soul but it corrupts when you become addicted to it. Use your Conscience to control your Desires as much as you can which also developes your self-discipline. Never let Desires of the Flesh rule you

MizMyColi:


I do not deem its repugnancy a natural cause.
I deem it a result of indoctrination and fear/guilt laden teaching by the church.

I think that feelings and attractions are beautiful things that should not be demonized or judged wrongly. Life is what we make it after-all.

Of course, not everyone would understand this, it would not sit well with a lot of people, so most times, I just shove my opinion, and allow everyone walk their path peacefully.


Ultimately, I would say that if something doesn't feel right to you (sex in this case), if it doesn't feel good, then you probably shouldn't engage. You might (will) end up feeling regret.

modik:


I can now understand your angle of opinion.

What breeds guilt is far from religious indoctrination, though not absolutely remote from it. Man is naturally a religious being.

Moreover, life is all about choice, cause and effect. I wouldn't know how your personal self esteem would have been if your existence is a product of an extramarital affair with a social tag of "Bastard" or whatever it is called.!

That lies the repugnancy of the act, its after effect, not the act itself.

I stand to be corrected, what is good and desirable in any socially abhorred practices? You may wish to identify one.

So before the advent of the church, we Africans never took pride in extramarital sex. So tagging it a church imposed ideology is unfair to our collective social value as Africans. Those who practiced same did so in obscurity since they weren't proud of the act.. ..hence "The guilt." that's my point. Religion is out of it.

Sarassin:

Hi MizMyColi, there are deities, demons and in fact even Angels in the service of the Divine who can be invoked under "contract" on a quid pro quo basis to perform the duties of an Incubus or Succubus, there are rituals available in virtually every pantheon to accomplish this. In Goetia which is most commonly sourced the rituals are outlined. It may not be too clever of me to put these on an open forum.

Sarassin:


Hehehe...not at all. Actually, on the subject, Incubus and Succubus had specific uses in times past totally unrelated to how they are perceived now. They were used as a bridge to perform initiatory rites into Mystic schools in the astral. An anchor between the physical realm and the astral realm.

MizMyColi:


Hello,

1. I would not argue about the religious nature of humans, but what I can tell you is that we are not all necessarily religious.

2. Yeah, about societal tags, there are people who get sucked up in that whirlpool of pandering to specific rules and laws as laid out by society. There are also a divergent few. These few know that the act that formed them, and gave them life might have been a mistake, but it in no way diminishes their value and priceless- ness.

Why should an innocent, oblivious child have to suffer stigmatization as a result of his parents' choice?

It buttresses my suggestion from earlier that such guilt is not natural, but as a result of indoctrination, social/societal elitism, fear mongering and manipulation.

In my opinion, an ideal society is one that thrives on the ideology of Live and Let Live.

3. I maintain that there is nothing repugnant about sex between two people who do it for the purpose of fostering their union, or for deriving pleasure.
It's all in the mind....it's all in the mind.

Morality is largely subjective. Your morality might be another man's anathema.

4. I understand that "guilt" you speak of....but I do not think that the two people who engaged in such, despite knowing society frowns against it - found or thought of their act as repugnant. I doubt. And if they do feel that way, then it's best they stop engaging.

Talking about society...
Society frowns at people who do not believe in God in a certain way...the society I come from frowns at people who do not go to church.

Should I now feel repugnant of the fact that I do not like going to church...and guilty too?
Oh please.

I understand that it's sometimes so hard to break away from certain norms...
And one sometimes wonders if they are still within the ambit of rightful thinking.

Then again, I believe that what constitutes "right" and "wrong" should be decided between you and your higher self.

Summarily, I am of the personal opinion that sex is so beautiful an act, so unifying, and so ecstatic.
It should not be abused....most people who feel repugnant after the act feel that way because they abused sex.

How?

They weren't sure they wanted/desired it. They didn't do it with all their being. Part of them felt doubtful as to whether they should do it or not....
That's what breeds repugnancy.

The whole sin, guilt and society-frowning tale is only but a smokescreen if you ask me...

modik:


In as much as you and your personal opinion are inalienable, the fact remains that man is a social being. no man is an island. From your writeup, as long as siqux is consensual, there is nothing wrong in it.

Based on this school of thought, what differentiates man and any other animal in the wild without any restraint and standards with respect to its mating partner?

I can only agree with you if you

MizMyColi:


The difference is that man is man...
He has a thinking faculty and an ability to question the rationality of his actions.

Like Apostle Paul, man should understand that all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial.

Does this answer your question?

modik:


I wouldn't like to dwell/depend on religion for any reason before I as a higher sexual being discern what is good or not.

The repugnancy in extramarital sex is part of what differentiates man from other lower animals. My point. Except you say otherwise.

MizMyColi:


Well, who am I to judge.
I have not walked that path...
So, I'm not in a best position to tell.

The difference between man and other animals (I wouldn't call them lower) is as clear as night and day.

Boriqua:
" We begin as soul and transform into spirits according to our good deeds in life" i dont think so, i believe that we are spirits living in our temporal bodies seeking reformation,and not only good deeds will determine the transformation, evil deeds can as well.

modik:

Case closed.

Sweet night rest. Greetings to your Baby Queen.

MizMyColi:


Hello,

1. I would not argue about the religious nature of humans, but what I can tell you is that we are not all necessarily religious.

2. Yeah, about societal tags, there are people who get sucked up in that whirlpool of pandering to specific rules and laws as laid out by society. There are also a divergent few. These few know that the act that formed them, and gave them life might have been a mistake, but it in no way diminishes their value and priceless- ness.

Why should an innocent, oblivious child have to suffer stigmatization as a result of his parents' choice?

It buttresses my suggestion from earlier that such guilt is not natural, but as a result of indoctrination, social/societal elitism, fear mongering and manipulation.

In my opinion, an ideal society is one that thrives on the ideology of Live and Let Live.

3. I maintain that there is nothing repugnant about sex between two people who do it for the purpose of fostering their union, or for deriving pleasure.
It's all in the mind....it's all in the mind.

Morality is largely subjective. Your morality might be another man's anathema.

4. I understand that "guilt" you speak of....but I do not think that the two people who engaged in such, despite knowing society frowns against it - found or thought of their act as repugnant. I doubt. And if they do feel that way, then it's best they stop engaging.

Talking about society...
Society frowns at people who do not believe in God in a certain way...the society I come from frowns at people who do not go to church.

Should I now feel repugnant of the fact that I do not like going to church...and guilty too?
Oh please.

I understand that it's sometimes so hard to break away from certain norms...
And one sometimes wonders if they are still within the ambit of rightful thinking.

Then again, I believe that what constitutes "right" and "wrong" should be decided between you and your higher self.

Summarily, I am of the personal opinion that sex is so beautiful an act, so unifying, and so ecstatic.
It should not be abused....most people who feel repugnant after the act feel that way because they abused sex.

How?

They weren't sure they wanted/desired it. They didn't do it with all their being. Part of them felt doubtful as to whether they should do it or not....
That's what breeds repugnancy.

The whole sin, guilt and society-frowning tale is only but a smokescreen if you ask me...

MizMyColi:

Lol
Trolling much eh?

Sarassin:


Yes, we have dreams and for the most part, without validating spiritual practice our dreams remain our sub-conscious minds re-arranging our thoughts and events. It is an entirely different matter in the Astral where one is both with and without form.

You referred to Incubus and succubus, these are entities that can be invoked either directly/indirectly for sexual pleasure, the sensations are entirely physical. I might also add, particularly for guys, that no matter how beautiful the entity that brings its visitation, its true form is always male

MizMyColi:


Hello,

1. I would not argue about the religious nature of humans, but what I can tell you is that we are not all necessarily religious.

2. Yeah, about societal tags, there are people who get sucked up in that whirlpool of pandering to specific rules and laws as laid out by society. There are also a divergent few. These few know that the act that formed them, and gave them life might have been a mistake, but it in no way diminishes their value and priceless- ness.

Why should an innocent, oblivious child have to suffer stigmatization as a result of his parents' choice?

It buttresses my suggestion from earlier that such guilt is not natural, but as a result of indoctrination, social/societal elitism, fear mongering and manipulation.

In my opinion, an ideal society is one that thrives on the ideology of Live and Let Live.

3. I maintain that there is nothing repugnant about sex between two people who do it for the purpose of fostering their union, or for deriving pleasure.
It's all in the mind....it's all in the mind.

Morality is largely subjective. Your morality might be another man's anathema.

4. I understand that "guilt" you speak of....but I do not think that the two people who engaged in such, despite knowing society frowns against it - found or thought of their act as repugnant. I doubt. And if they do feel that way, then it's best they stop engaging.

Talking about society...
Society frowns at people who do not believe in God in a certain way...the society I come from frowns at people who do not go to church.

Should I now feel repugnant of the fact that I do not like going to church...and guilty too?
Oh please.

I understand that it's sometimes so hard to break away from certain norms...
And one sometimes wonders if they are still within the ambit of rightful thinking.

Then again, I believe that what constitutes "right" and "wrong" should be decided between you and your higher self.

Summarily, I am of the personal opinion that sex is so beautiful an act, so unifying, and so ecstatic.
It should not be abused....most people who feel repugnant after the act feel that way because they abused sex.

How?

They weren't sure they wanted/desired it. They didn't do it with all their being. Part of them felt doubtful as to whether they should do it or not....
That's what breeds repugnancy.

The whole sin, guilt and society-frowning tale is only but a smokescreen if you ask me...

RickandMorty:


Are you shiiting me? Do you have proof of the bolded?

RickandMorty:


Are you shiiting me? Do you have proof of the bolded?

Sarassin:
by a quirk of nature, sexual activity increases spiritual awareness, not abstinence.

ayokunlei:


Factual !

MizMyColi:


The difference is that man is man...
He has a thinking faculty and an ability to question the rationality of his actions.

Like Apostle Paul, man should understand that all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial.

Does this answer your question?