Chukazu:


No.peace is not the absence of conflict.
So it's not a feel good theory where someone wants to bend the law so as to please few and avoid conflict

no law is bended here, only try to subdued the right of constitution of her right to religion

smoy:
naturally is becoming, or do you saw her with sword?

NATURALLY? MEN have been the ones pushing and advancing it since inception. Islam was spread by the sword (!) - just like Christianity (oh, wait, those Europeans employed more sophisticated weaponry---and perhaps, greater brutality---in their religious terrorism).

People of all cultures all over the world VALUE THEIR OWN ANCENSTRAL CULTURE OVER OTHERS, and would never give it up to adopt yours, through "love" and sweet words, if you do not employ FORCE and THREATS.

If either Islam or Christianity had relied on "Love " and "Peace", they would have remained local religions (and Christianity, in particular, would probably be a DEAD religion by now).

Christians were a persecuted minority in the Roman Empire---it was when the Imperial family converted to Christianity that it became successful, otherwise, the pagan state would have crushed the strange new religion and consigned it to oblivion.

Christianity, as much as your Islam, succeeded because it had POLITICAL and MILITARY backing---not because of any spiritual support.

Those religions wouldn't have spread "naturally".

Divide this country once and for all let these people practise and enjoy their Saudi Arabian Islamic Culture in peace. Why must we be running from pillar to post over foreign cultures and religions? What if a traditional fellow goes on to wear "Gele" or traditional hat on their lawsuit or outfit, will that be acceptable? Do we have only Islam and Christianity in Nigeria?

niceair:


First tolerate the law of an Institution first....before bringing religion into ot

the constitution supersede.

In fact we need to fight against this Nairaland issue or request same for the other religions. We all must be treated same and equal in this country

eagleeye2:
If they change the law for this Muslim girl, then they must change it for so many other religions. Not like the nonsense that goes on in Nairaland religion section where I have to swear to some useless oath before commenting on that section. But they the Muslims are free to comment on Christian topics.

Geist:
I am asking about military beret. You seemed to suggest theirs had implications while the barristers head gears don't. I was just curious.

I did not suggest, I asked a question. These are two different things. Yes, some military gears have practical implications and others are ceremonial. I don't care much for their choice of uniform. Hijab is not necessarily perceived as a choice by those who wear it, so don't make baseless comparisons.

erico2k2:

You are proving me right here.This same God spoke to both person Moses and Mohamed, aknowledged in both Holy books, so the discripancies where created by men fru intepretations.

yes you are right if i get you, but the bases of All the religion is believe in ONE GOG

raphafire:

And it is against the law of law school

when ever the law of an institution collides with constitution the later take over.

AgentOfAllah:

I did not suggest, I asked a question. These are two different things. Yes, some military gears have practical implications and others are ceremonial. I don't care much for their choice of uniform. Hijab is not necessarily perceived as a choice by those who wear it, so don't make baseless comparisons.

LoL I doubt uniforms are matter of choice in the Military but either way

smoy:
when ever the law of an institution collides with constitution the later take over.

Okay, let her Imam call her to bar...simple!!!

Maezara:
NATURALLY? MEN have been the ones pushing and advancing it since inception. Islam was spread by the sword (!) - just like Christianity (oh, wait, those Europeans employed more sophisticated weaponry---and perhaps, greater brutality---in their religious terrorism).

People of all cultures all over the world VALUE THEIR OWN ANCENSTRAL CULTURE OVER OTHERS, and would never give it up to adopt yours, through "love" and sweet words, if you do not employ FORCE and THREATS.

If either Islam or Christianity had relied on "Love " and "Peace", they would have remined local religions (and Christianity, in particular, would probably be a DEAD religion by now).

Christians were a persecuted minority in the Roman Empire---it was when the Imperial family converted to Christianity that it became successful, otherwise, the pagan state would have crushed the strange new religion and consigned it to oblivion.

Christianity, as much as your Islam, succeeded because it had POLITICAL and MILITARY backing---not because of any spiritual supp
Those religions wouldn't have spread "naturally".

Islam by sword? then which sword was used in in Nigeria today that majority are becoming Muslim? which sword was used in EU sates, in USA and all over the country today that Islam is growing faster than any religion.

raphafire:

Okay, let her Imam call her to bar...simple!!!

sooner or later we shall get there were every Muslimah shall have their Hijab on them wherever, Inshaallah.

FunkyAlhaji2015:
This is a much bigger issue than what this girl is looking at. Every institution has its code and conduct. The Nigerian Law School has its dress code, so does NYSC. The NYSC dress code of wearing trousers is against a lot of Christians faithful, but they have to wear to fulfil the clarion call. A lot of religious bigot want to bring in controversy in everything. Law is a respectable profession that should not be dragged into the mud by religious bigots.

I see reason to part of what you said that is why I decided to make a comment on it. You said Christians were not allowed to wear trouser according to bible but cjose to do so Becuase they have to obey claron call. If I may ask, trouser for what? Is it by wearing trouser that will justify being a corper? If people of make mistake and pople of present make correction is that good or not? Because western education accepted it we must as well accepted it despite the fact that is affecting our religion and cultural heritage. The hijab used by the lady did not cover her eintire face rather just her head and hear part to justify what her God commanded her to do. Somebody must make correction to mistake of the past. I can bet you if the case is taken to court she will win. And, you have right to quote me later on this topic in the future if you so desired. Many thing were wrong with our system. Take for instance, you want a muslim to do his wedding in court where he/she is not covered by his faith. Can a christian couple do their wedding in Saudi Arabia where their faith is not recognise? Remember Nigeria is dominated by muslim and Christians which mean both and other religion have to be covered.

tintingz:
I agree she has right to wear her hijab under secular right(it depends) but I will disagree if she violated the dressing code of the courtroom because it's against her religion, reason because this might disorganized everything about the court house, imagine a Catholic wearing her veil to the bar, an ifa worshipper wearing her white gele, cele lady wearing her white cap and so on.

If this just and fairness can be allowed in the court house(that anybody can wear thier religious, traditional attire) then, I've no problem with Firdaus protest.

U.S for example don't really have dress code for lawyers, if Nigeria constitution wants to adopt U.S system, I've no problem with that.

I don't get how flexible dress code would disorganise the courthouse man. I would very much want an ifa worshipper, a veiled catholic nun and a cele lady who are qualified lawyers to practice their professions with their choices of attire if they feel so strongly about it. I simply don't share your suggestion this would somehow cause the courtroom to be disorganised. You cited the example of the liberal rules in U.S., but you didn't show that the courtrooms in U.S. are disorganised, so your point is weak on this occasion.

Her move is not wise and not beneficial.

She has created a nationwide debate. People, including our most erudite legal experts and opinion leaders for and against have been talking about it for days. If I were her, I would feel a partial sense of accomplishment. There is no doubt that this would be challenged in court with the level of exposure it has garnered, and we will get unequivocal clarity once and for all. I couldn't think of a wiser and more beneficial action. I for one, cannot wait to see what the outcome will be! I think Nigeria's judiciary is far more mature than we give it credit for...let's see

AgentOfAllah:

It's a poor example, sorry! I am not arguing against uniformity, I am arguing for the accommodation of religious diversity in the national institutions of a secular country. The Nigerian army is just as culpable as the law school in this regard. Look, hijab is clearly something that some religious people feel very strongly about. It takes nothing, absolutely nothing away from uniformity, nor does it change the overall character of your uniform anymore than wearing a wig, or having a mole on your face does.

Please write out the full spelling of camo and tell me what it means, thanks!

Nothing! People should be able to put on whatever is sacred to them, unless it is obviously impractical. You cannot send a deeperlife devotee to war in a long skirt, for instance.

See, I'm not debating the army, so forgive my reluctance to go down a rabbit hole that will only prolong this conversation unnecessarily. Firdaus is not a soldier, she is a lawyer, and she is fighting for her right in her chosen profession. If a hijabi lady who wishes to join the army comes out to fight for her right to wear the hijab while practicing her profession, I will give her my full support! Such anachronistic and discriminatory rules have no place in the national institutions of a secular country.

Lol. We're on the same page. Now you get the point of my earlier question, and you just gave me your answers to it.

Now, the idea is that you're not opposed to uniformity, but also want the accommodation of religious diversity---people should be able to put on whatever is SACRED to them [which means you're NOT making exception for the Hijab alone]. And we should only DRAW THE LINE when it is impractical for their profession.

Do I get you now?

Very ugly girl

Ugly thing

Geist:
Yes they certify but they don't do the calling. Do they?

Yes they do! Again, I implore you to look up the legal education Act!

Maezara:
Lol. We're on the same page. Now you get the point of my earlier question, and you just gave me your answers to it.

Now, the idea is that you're not opposed to uniformity, but also want the accommodation of religious diversity---people should be able to put on whatever is SACRED to them [which means you're NOT making exception for the Hijab alone]. And we should only DRAW THE LINE when it is impractical for their profession.

Do I get you now?

Yes you do! I was not making exception for the hijab, it just so turns out that the challenger in this case is a hijabi, and I support her challenge.

P.S. Maezara, apologies if I came across as abrasive. My communication skill deteriorates as an exponential function of the number of people I'm responding to. I'll eat one unripe banana as atonement.

smoy:
Islam by sword? then which sword was used in in Nigeria today that majority are becoming Muslim? which sword was used in EU sates, in USA and all over the country today that Islam is growing faster than any religion.

Am laughing at you in 3D

I will like to ask if ur conscience is functioning, Nigeria have enuf crisis trying to b celeb or hijab Messiah isn't contributing to development of the nation. Pls don't poison innocent soul.

smoy:
Islam by sword? then which sword was used in in Nigeria today that majority are becoming Muslim? which sword was used in EU sates, in USA and all over the country today that Islam is growing faster than any religion.

In every region where Islam is the majority religion, the ancestors of those people were conquered by Jihadists. After Islam is spread by the sword, BREEDING and INDOCTRINATION do the rest. If you compare the number of people BORN INTO ISLAM to the number of people who CONVERT to the religion, the latter number would be EXTREMELY INSIGNIFICANT.

And if Islam is the the "fastest growing religion in the world today" as you claim, then that isn't because large numbers of people are converting to Islam, but because Muslims breed like dogs (no apologies for saying that, 'cause it's a fücking fact).

That's why, given the growing number of extremists and fundamentalists, allowing larger numbers of Muslims into Europe might result in a serious disaster, since these people are capable of outbreeding the native population in a matter of a century or two, and once they become the MAJORITY, the rest would be history.

Dindondin:
You speak in Favour of things that favours your religion.
You are not thinking like a normal person. Your post is selfish.

u just av to respect my opinion. Nd i didn't mention in previous comment maybe am muslim. U just tryin to bring irrelevant tins so i av to think d same way wit u?.ur post is selfish also the arabic on d notes go nd ask about d meaning maybe dat wil soften ur mind

smoy:
sooner or later we shall get there were every Muslimah shall have their Hijab on them wherever, Inshaallah.

@smoy can I ask you two questions and please I need your response asap

1) Has a Muslim can u work in a brewing company
if yes, Now on d job/recruitment final stage n u asked to taste beer as a prerequisite n u say ur religion doesn't permit u then u sack/rejected afterward will u blame d company going against ur fundamental/human/religious right??
2) As an engineer, you get a job in an oil n gas company and u don't wear helmet while working @height saying a religion doesn't permit u ...

if you gonna kick against all this, please why take the job or apply in the first case

The Firdausa girl should have not apply to unilorin to study law knowing fully well the rules and regulation of the field.

Remember the companies/instututions has their own right/rules/regulations also and if its not cool by any one (especially the firdausah) she should have exercise her freedom of association to other institutions....
Thank you

My que is that is there any law that is against putting on anything under the wig, if yes then she has no point.
In the first place as a practicing Muslim law is not a course for you coz u have to lie and be deceitful to support your client whether guilty or not

why does this people always look for trouble, are they the only religious group in this country? everywhere in the world: north, west, east etc... they just like formenting trouble where there is none and later you start hearing "its a religion of peace"

AgentOfAllah:


Yes they do! Again, I implore you to look up the legal education Act!

http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legal%20Practitioners%20Act.htm#BodyOfBenchers Please read section 4. Note that section 4b talks about the certificate given by the Council of Legal Education in Nigeria.

AgentOfAllah:

I don't get how flexible dress code would disorganise the courthouse man. I would very much want an ifa worshipper, a veiled catholic nun and a cele lady who are qualified lawyers to practice their professions with their choices of attire if they feel so strongly about it. I simply don't share your suggestion this would somehow cause the courtroom to be disorganised. You cited the example of the liberal rules in U.S., but you didn't show that the courtrooms in U.S. are disorganised, so your point is weak on this occasion.

U.S courtroom has limit to how lawyers should dress, laywers can't dress beyond corporate suit or outfit(not sure tho), the reason I said it will disorganize the courtroom in Nigeria is because Nigeria society is filled with religious/traditional people, imagine the rate of religious people in Nigeria courtroom, is that same in U.S? Do people in U.S take religion and tradition serious?

She has created a nationwide debate. People, including our most erudite legal experts and opinion leaders for and against have been talking about it for days. If I were her, I would feel a partial sense of accomplishment. There is no doubt that this would be challenged in court with the level of exposure it has garnered, and we will get unequivocal clarity once and for all. I couldn't think of a wiser and more beneficial action. I for one, cannot wait to see what the outcome will be! I think Nigeria's judiciary is far more mature than we give it credit for...let's see

What if it fail, hijab is still not approved in bar, what then is next? What she should have done is comply with the dress code, join the member and take positive action. Hijab is not something that is beneficial to the society, it's only beneficial to her ideology.

There will always be an opponent among the members, so changing the dress code in the name of a particular religion is not an easy thing to accomplish.

Geist:
http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legal%20Practitioners%20Act.htm#BodyOfBenchers Please read section 4. Note that section 4b talks about the certificate given by the Council of Legal Education in Nigeria.

The council of legal education in Nigeria are the administrators of the Law school man, with exactly the same function as your university senate members. I seriously don't know what you're trying to argue here!

Just read the whole thing.

AgentOfAllah:


Yes you do! I was not making exception for the hijab, it just so turns out that the challenger in this case is a hijabi, and I support her challenge.

P.S. Maezara, apologies if I came across as abrasive. My communication skill deteriorates as an exponential function of the number of people I'm responding to. I'll eat one unripe banana as atonement.

Perfect. You believe that the rules should be dynamic and flexible, not fixed and rigid---should be more considerate of the values, feelings, and interests of the people it's being applied to, as long as accommodating those values, feelings and interests does not harm other particular interests in the system, or the collective interest itself.

Now, that's an enlightened take that we should all consider.

I'd say, if that's how it's going down, then this idea should also be applicable to private firms and organizations, since no matter how private they are, they're still a node of the society, and it's the collective that provides the atmosphere, framework and environment for the existence and operation of those firms.

Honestly, this is the deeper part where the debate should be---not the Hijab and Firdaus matter we've been flogging all day. The problem is that for others, there are no strict rules concerning dressing in their religions, whereas, there is for the Muslims. So, on face value, when the Hijabi's demand for that right, while others are NOT demanding same, it looks like a demand for special right, and it becomes offensive to us---because we don't think TOO FAR (those among us who do are the few gifted ones).

Although, I can't see through your eyes, I think we're seeing eye to eye. I get your point now.

I think the law school is an authority on its own, she has failed to respect authorities so let her face the consequence.

Limitednow:


http://headline.com.ng/intentionally-wore-hijab-bar-ceremony-amasa-firdaus/

imagine future lawyer intentionally violate a laid down rules and regulation of an institution, that is bad of her.