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| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 2:38pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44:https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/08/catholic-church-priests-raped-children-philadelphia-725894.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjSr8bVnJvYAhWSI-wKHbD-AK8QqQIIMCgAMAc&usg=AOvVaw3jcX-AJXEt1YXqS4YOTbnw |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 2:47pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
No church is immune from sexual abuse Tchividjian had become convinced that the Protestant world is teetering on the edge of a sex-abuse scandal similar to the one that had rocked the Catholic Church. He is careful to say that there’s not enough data to compare the prevalence of child sex abuse in Protestant and Catholic institutions, but he’s convinced the problem has reached a crisis point. He’s not alone in that belief. In 2012, Christian radio host Janet Mefferd declared, “This is an epidemic going on in churches. … When are evangelicals going to wake up and say we have a massive problem in our own churches?” For years, Protestants have assumed they were immune to the abuses perpetrated by celibate Catholic priests. But Tchividjian believes that Protestant churches, groups, and schools have been worse than Catholics in their response. Mission fields, he says, are “magnets” for would-be molesters; ministries and schools do not understand the dynamics of abuse; and “good ol’ boy” networks routinely cover up victims’ stories to protect their reputations. He fears it is only a matter of time before it all blows up in their faces and threatens the survival of powerful Protestant institutions. http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abuse-protestant-churches-catholic/ |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 2:48pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Question: "What is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why are there pedophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church?" Answer: In recent years, hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals have come forward claiming sexual abuse from priests in the Roman Catholic Church. Numerous "pedophile priests" have been identified. Sadly, rather than defrocking the priests (removing from the priesthood), the Catholic Church has in most instances attempted to cover up the sexual abuse by transferring the offending priest(s) to different parishes. The scandal and attempted cover-up continues to expand, reaching all the way to the papacy itself. So, what is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why does pedophilia seem to be such a common problem among Roman Catholic priests? what is the cause of the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Roman Catholic Church? Our contention is that the unbiblical requirement that priests be celibate is a primary cause. It is biblical to say that celibacy can be useful to ministry (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). At the same time, it is completely unbiblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders. In the qualifications of church leadership (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9), the apostle Paul assumes that bishops, elders, overseers, and deacons will be married and have children. While these qualifications should not be viewed as requiring marriage/family to serve in church leadership, they are most definitely an allowance for married men to serve as leaders in the church. It is, therefore, completely anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders. The unbiblical requirement of celibacy on priests in the Roman Catholic Church likely contributes to sexual abuse in that men whom God never intended to be celibate are forced into celibacy, resulting in sexual tension and stress. Also, the stricture of celibacy is appealing to some men with abnormal sexual tendencies who view the priesthood as a means of keeping their desires under control. These men find that external rules do little to change the heart, and, when they give in to sexual temptations, the result is unnatural sexual acts, such as homosexuality or pedophilia. Compounding the problem is the Catholic teaching of “once a priest, always a priest.” The fact that the “sacred ordination” cannot be invalidated has contributed to a reluctance to defrock pedophile priests. When abusive priests are transferred to different parishes, the same behavior is repeated. Also, lax rule enforcement and cover-ups have encouraged the application of pedophiles to the priesthood. Many pedophiles see the priesthood as a means of easy, unsupervised access to children. Whatever the cause of the sexual abuse in the church, pedophile priests should be arrested and punished just as any other pedophile would be. Anyone covering up or, by negligence, enabling pedophilia in the church should be prosecuted. A priest who has sexually abused anyone should never be allowed back into church leadership, as he could most definitely not be considered "above reproach" (1 Timothy 3:2). The pedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church is absolutely horrid. There is nothing more antithetical to the message of Christ than priests sexually abusing children. May God use this scandal to awaken the church of Jesus Christ to the presence of apostates within the church and to strongly motivate the church to be fully biblical in all of its beliefs and practices. |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 2:50pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
NASHVILLE, June 14 (AP) — The three companies that insure a majority of Protestant churches say they typically receive upward of 260 reports a year of children younger than 18 being sexually abused by members of the clergy, church staff members, volunteers or congregants .Protestants’ numbers are harder to come by and sketchier because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic Church. Many congregations are independent, making reporting even more difficult http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 2:53pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson Boz Tchividijian AUSTIN, Texas (RNS) The Christian mission field is a “magnet” for sexual abusers, Boz Tchividjian, a Liberty University law professor who investigates abuse said Thursday (Sept. 26) to a room of journalists. While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response, ”I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims. “Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations. Earlier this summer, GRACE spearheaded an online petition decrying the “silence” and “inattention” of evangelical leaders to sexual abuse in their churches. Mission agencies, “where abuse is most prevalent,” often don’t report abuse because they fear being barred from working in foreign countries, he said. Abusers will get sent home and might join another agency. Of known data from abuse cases, 25 percent are repeat cases, he said. Still, he says, he sees some positive movements among some Protestants. Bob Jones University has hired GRACE to investigate abuse allegations, a move that encourages Tchividjian, a former Florida prosecutor. ”That’s like the mothership of fundamentalism,” he said. His grandfather split with Bob Jones in a fundamentalist and evangelical division. “The Protestant culture is defined by independence,” Tchividjian said. Evangelicals often frown upon transparency and accountability, he said, as many Protestants rely on Scripture more than religious leaders, compared to Catholics. Abusers discourage whistle-blowing by condemning gossip to try to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus. Too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions, he said. ”We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said. Tchividjian said he is speaking with Pepperdine University, a Church of Christ-affiliated school in California, about creating a national GRACE center https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/protestant-sex-abuse-boz-tchividijian_n_4019347.html |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 2:56pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 2:59pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: If the number of gay sex going on there is this huge. What of other sexual abuse. Heterosexual sin may be accepted from defenders but homosexuality among these folks shows the height of depravity and immorality in the church. This alone has covered every excuse of sexual abuses in other protestant organizations. |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:05pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Prosper123: you want me to also report gay sex? Okay wait for me.So you were really recommending heterosexual marriage as a solution for gay sex predators in the priesthood? are you for real? The fact is that sexual perversion by the clergy happens everywhere. The catholic church only gets more mentions in the news because of its large size and span |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 3:06pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: Many Priest who were gays were not defrocked. Make research very well. Like the ones I encountered, even my friend. How can you know if I don't tell you. Many are hidden. The system is the fault. Let's use our common sense, how can Priest or expect men to die celibate in this generation. You can't cheat nature. That is why even the papacy advocated for marriage in Priesthood |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 3:08pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: You self, you are myopic in trying to defend the obvious. I said the number or the height of sodomy in the system is greater |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:09pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Prosper123: stop telling me cock and bull stories!!!mention names!!! I want real facts!!! this is not a place for rumours.If you have no facts then hold your peace.In the catholic church today ,once a priest is indicted for child sex abuse he is immediately defrocked!!! |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:12pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
here lots of protestant denominations openly allow gay marriage in their doctrines.If you are looking for sinners to convert,please start with this ones and leave the catholic church alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_clergy_in_Christianity |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 3:13pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44:So now it's competition? The difference between you Catholics and us is that, you cover your sins up and defend your evils, but we expose the evil people in our midst. Satan hates to be exposed, he does everything to protect his acts and cover up. Saaaaad. |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:19pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
analize701:  ;Dabegi I don't want to laugh so hard lol |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:21pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
my dear better face the facts.Sex abuse in churches by clergy is rife in the western world and cuts across all denominations.Do not make the mistake of thinking it is restricted to the catholic church which preaches celibacy.Even married protestant clergies are also involved |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 3:32pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
I don't like sharing minds with fanatics that defend falsehood like beasts. That's why whites are better off when it comes to seeking truth. They are open minded to receive even the truth they don't like. Unlike Pachukwudi44. That is mind civilization. Are you the only Catholic? or because your parents took you there? Don't you have minds to reason. I was born a catholic. Even now some use to think I am a seminarian. For instance, how can I defend say a Pastor for being gay or a rapist. So, my advice, go back to the drawing board of your mindset and rid it of foolish sentimentalism. By the way, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS FOR A PRIEST TO TELL HIS CONGREGATION DURING SERVICE THAT HE IS GAY AND THE PEOPLE GAVE HIM A STANDING OVATION. what audacity. It means they gave him support. If it's hidden we will say he is one of the Judases. But it's open. Yet, here you are saying.... Saying what again? |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 3:46pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: Only evil hides evil. If you can call what the Protestants are doing evil, you shd also call the evil in the Catholic Church evil. 1 Like |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 4:01pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 4:01pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Prosper123: and you think that alone happens in the catholic church? Are you that dumb.While this si the first time such is happening in thecatholic church ,openly gay clergies have been celebrated in countless protestant churches.This priest is most likely to be derobed in the coming days.Meanwhile the openly gay clergies in the protestant churches are not even in danger of losing their positions |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 4:11pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
have you heard about Rev Gene Robinson of the Anglican church.There are myriads of openly gay protestant clergies in hundreds if not thousands of protestant churches.You really do to do your research before coming out to point your fingers at Catholics |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 4:16pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44:Taata |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 4:32pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by DoctorAlien(m): 5:22pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
analize701: Truly, the celibacy of priests has no Biblical basis. But because the Roman Catholic Church holds her tradition above the Word of God, she institutes practices which serve only to draw men farther away from God. Jesus spoke of them in Matthew 15:9-10 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by analize701: 5:31pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:True. They claim the gave the world the Bible, but can not bare to open it and see what it says. |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 5:32pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: bros you can lieooo Matthew 19: 11-12- “[Jesus] said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.” I cor 7:32 would like you to be free from concern. [b]An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord. I cor 7:38 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by DoctorAlien(m): 5:49pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: First of all, Jesus was not speaking about "priests" in Matt. 19:12, nor does He say that those who can be celibate should be priests. Paul too was not speaking about priests in 1 Cor. 7. The Bible does not even teach that there are to be “priests” in the New Covenant established by Christ. The Bible addresses the celibacy of church leaders, but not celibacy of priests. In regards to celibacy of church leaders, in 1 Corinthians chapter 7, the apostle Paul teaches, “An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs — how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world — how he can please his wife — and his interests are divided” (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). In some instances, celibacy has a positive impact on ministry. If a church leader is free from spousal and familial responsibilities, he can better focus on ministering to others. Jesus mentions some becoming “eunuchs” for the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:12). Celibacy is definitely allowed for church leaders, and to a certain degree, it is encouraged. However, Scripture nowhere requires celibacy for those serving in positions of church leadership. In 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, the Apostle Paul seems to assume that elders, bishops, overseers, and deacons will be married. Notice the phrases “the husband of one wife” (1 Timothy 3:2, 12; Titus 1:6), “he must manage his own family well” (1 Timothy 3:4,12), and “his children obey him with proper respect” (1 Timothy 3:4; Titus 1:6). While these Scriptures are not a requirement for church leaders to be married, they most definitely present an allowance for church leaders to be married. It is therefore anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders. Why, then, does the Roman Catholic Church (and a few other Christian denominations) require celibacy of priests /church leaders? The celibacy of priests has an interesting history. The first official church statements requiring celibacy appeared at the Councils of Elvira (A.D. 306) and Carthage (A.D. 390), although clerical celibacy, to a lesser degree, definitely predated these councils. Ultimately, though, celibacy became the official requirement of the Roman Catholic Church due to the practice of nepotism. Church leaders were giving their children positions in the church, despite a lack of any qualifications or training. Further, church leaders were giving church property to their descendants. As a result, the Roman Catholic Church mandated celibacy in order to keep its priests from having familial attachments which made nepotism attractive. Again, the Bible encourages, but does not demand celibacy of priests / church leaders. In fact, Paul recognizes that most church leaders will be married. The Roman Catholic requirement of celibacy is a sad example of the Church taking something that the Bible encourages and transforming it into a requirement in order to protect its own interests. Sadder still is the damage that has been done as a result of the Roman Catholic Church’s anti-biblical requirement. Men whom God has not gifted or called to be celibate (1 Corinthians 7:7) are being required to be celibate, and the result is tremendous failures in the areas of adultery, fornication, and the sexual abuse of children. https://www.gotquestions.org/celibacy-priests.html 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 5:52pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
First of all, Jesus was not speaking about "priests" in Matt. 19:12, nor does He say that those who can be celibate should be priests. Paul too was not speaking about priests in 1 Cor. 7. The Bible does not even teach that there are to be “priests” in the New Covenant established by Christ. The Bible addresses the celibacy of church leaders, but not celibacy of priests. are priests church follwers? In regards to celibacy of church leaders, in 1 Corinthians chapter 7, the apostle Paul teaches, “An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs — how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world — how he can please his wife — and his interests are divided” (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). In some instances, celibacy has a positive impact on ministry. If a church leader is free from spousal and familial responsibilities, he can better focus on ministering to others. Jesus mentions some becoming “eunuchs” for the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:12). Celibacy is definitely allowed for church leaders, and to a certain degree, it is encouraged. However, Scripture nowhere requires celibacy for those serving in positions of church leadership. thank you.Since it is allowed Okwu agwugo. Again, the Bible encourages, but does not demand celibacy of priests / church leaders. In fact, Paul recognizes that most church leaders will be married. The Roman Catholic requirement of celibacy is a sad example of the Church taking something that the Bible encourages and transforming it into a requirement in order to protect its own interests. Sadder still is the damage that has been done as a result of the Roman Catholic Church’s anti-biblical requirement. Men whom God has not gifted or called to be celibate (1 Corinthians 7:7) are being required to be celibate, and the result is tremendous failures in the areas of adultery, fornication, and the sexual abuse of children. Thank you.The bible encourages it.Case closed |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by PaChukwudi44(m): 5:53pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
next time you want to argue with me do not go to an anti-Catholic website owned by a fundamentalist.Trust me I know more about that site and its useless owner than you |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by DoctorAlien(m): 5:55pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: Ad hominem. Not logical. |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by Prosper123: 5:56pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
analize701: No wonder they barred people from reading the Bible in the beginning, saying it's only for the Priests. This was an intention to maneuver the people like in payment of money for penance |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by DoctorAlien(m): 5:57pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
PaChukwudi44: The Bible encourages it, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT! 1 Like |
| Re: A Catholic Priest Comes Out As Gay Before His Congregation by DoctorAlien(m): 6:01pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Is anyone surprised that homosexuality, child abuse and all forms of abominable sexual sins pervade the ranks of Catholic priesthood, where everyone of them is required to be celibate? I am not surprised at all. Some of their popes did even worse. 1 Like |
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