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Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 10:27am On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: The answer to your question is in Adam and Eve's reaction shortly after they ate the fruit... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:32am On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:Pls open a thread |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:34am On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Hmmm. Okay. Happy New Month sir. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 10:35am On Mar 01, 2018 |
Emmanystone: I don't think I might be able to do that anytime soon... But I'll definitely open it and we'll discuss further from there... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 10:54am On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:What is knowledge of good and what is knowledge of evil in the symbolism the tree of Good and Evil? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:22am On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:Better. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:34am On Mar 01, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Dey tin tire me bro. I think say all the athiests go dey here with their loads of contradictions and Biblical lies, but for where? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:35am On Mar 01, 2018 |
danvon:Yeah, they are confused from which to.pick so didn't pick any. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:41am On Mar 01, 2018 |
LordVoldermort:Sorry, i missed this? You mean YHWH? Hahahahahahahaha. Oh Wow. Well sir, God is a Spirit and the image he gave to Adam in creation (which is Spirit) is what died in Adam, not his flesh. It is that same life that Jesus came to give back to man. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 12:00pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Back to the Adam and Eve scenario; Before they ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil...they were both naked and were not ashamed of one another After they ate the fruit...they saw each others unclothedness and became ashamed... Do you know why? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 12:05pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:This question has multiple answers, and some of them I won't delve into I say, you didn't respond to what is knowledge of good and what is knowledge of evil in the symbolism the tree of Good and Evil though? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 12:15pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Double post... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 12:15pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil brought about the consciousness and knowledge of good and evil... Instead of God calling the shots on what is right or wrong... Man eyes became "opened" and the burden/consciousness of good and evil fell on man... Prior to that Adam was deeply rooted in God, and whatever he did was right. He did not have to be conscious of good and evil to do what is right... What is your answer to my question per the last post... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 12:35pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Sorry I have been out taking inventory and possession of a new supply of pig feed for my piggery so have been busy. Will respond as soon as I am free. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 12:36pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:I will answer you, hold on please, let's get round these first before getting to answering your question. I get you, as knowledge is consciousness and vice versa but what is the good and what is the evil, in this context. You didn't say what these two are. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 12:37pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:I completely concur with the emboldened above He didn't need to have the knowledge of Good and Evil except he wanted to be god. The irony is, this they became though after eating |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 1:47pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Exactly... After they ate of the fruit, their eyes open and they became like God...knowing and defining what good and evil is... Even this was confirmed in the subsequent chapter where it was written "man is now like us" |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 2:37pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.” - Genesis 3:22 I have completed what God said and how exactly God said Now, reiterating, knowledge is tantamount to consciousness and vice versa but what is good and what is evil, in this context. You still haven't and didn't say what these two are. Do I have grovel before you do ni? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 2:44pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Oh... I thought I answered already... Good and evil is right and wrong na & also the ability and innate consciousness to define what right and wrong is... that's what I see it as in this context... Or is there anything more to it? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 3:14pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:No didn't already answer and I thought you had something correctly to share about it No ooo, the good and evil in the context, isn't right and wrong. Are you familiar with merisms? Well, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is a merism. Good, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies Beautiful Evil, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies Adversity. Eating off the tree, will open the eater to experience several of parts of all that's Beautiful and all that's Adversity It is as it were like a Pandora Box of some sort. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 3:47pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I can't find the right words to explain the context to you...neither do I want to get lost in the sea of labels trying to explain it... Good and Evil are two extremes... You can bypass all that stress that comes with using logic to differentiate what is right or wrong...and rely on intuition (a higher form of intelligence in terms of speed and accuracy) in making the right decisions... Check out Adam, He was what Jesus was before he fell... How was Jesus always making the right and perfect decisions? Because He and the Father were constantly communicating ... and Jesus was obeying those instructions even when they seem to defy logic... For example Jesus' logic pushed Him to ask for the cup to pass over Him while praying at Gethsemane...but later obliged to the Father's will...even if it defied logic... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 4:05pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:The original word used in that verse instead of Good in the original text was "Beautiful" and the original word used in that verse and elsewhere it's used in the original text was "Adversity" You will experience and begin to judge between beautiful and adversity. Good times, bad times, what's pretty what's ugly. Essentially the whole shebang spectrum will unfold into your world. You're going on a tangent now, we aren't discussing Adam before or after eating the fruit. Nor comparing him with the last Adam. Labels aren't required to explain what is evident |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 4:55pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Once upon a time...everything created was good (perfect, right, stable, beautiful, in order e.t.c.), but a wrong decision to take of the wrong tree brought good and evil (unpredictability, adversity & beautiful, instability between two extremes, right & wrong e.t.c.) The headache that comes with labels is finding the synonyms to associate with the subject matter on ground... By the way, from your research...what is the merism for the Tree of Life? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 5:05pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:OkCornel to be honest I don't know why you are acting this way. A phrase needs, pairs, to be classed or called a merism The Tree of Life phrase is not a merism You don't need researches, stop posting funnily. What you need is an epiphany. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 5:12pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I thought we were having a meaningful discussion before you went off tangent and went as far as posting the bolded... 1) Does my question offend you? Or do you think I am here to make jest of you or to learn? 2) Can you explain the way I am acting? And what exactly am I posting funnily? Or does it seem I am here to amuse you? If you are not sure of my motives at least you can ask... 3) So is the tree of life something to be taken literally with no meaning attached to it? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 5:26pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:No brother, I don't get easily offended. I rarely take offence. I just thought you were acting up from way back a couple of posts up there. The bible is littered with many merisms apart from that of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, actually there is at least one mentioned before talking of the The of Knowledge of Good and Evil. How you don't know about merisms in the bible baffles me |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 5:28pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Is there another word for merism anyone on this thread can easily relate with? On a side note, I deal with patterns and not details to establish fact(s) Back to my question, since Good and Evil is Beautiful and Adversity from your findings....what does the Tree of Life represent? Is there also an original word for it? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 5:45pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:Yes, call it a figure of speech that has a combination of two contrasting words to refer to an entirety and all parts within each of them "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is a merism "Good evening ladies and gentlemen" is a merism |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 5:49pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Very good, this explains a lot. If this is what is called merism... then of course any Bible reader should identify these contrasts... It's just that not many people (myself inclusive) would label such contrasts with the word "merism" Day and Night; Light & darkness; Flesh & Spirit...these should rank as merisms as well...right? Please, is there an original word for "Tree of Life"? That's my question... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 6:03pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
OkCornel:They are called Hebrew merisms. It's part of a biblical Jewish culture and manner of speaking It's the concept, context and construct behind the phrase development and the pairs that makes phrases that makes it merisms The figure of speech "It's raining cats and dogs " though has a pair is not a merism but is a metaphor The Tree of Life, is a metaphor or symbolism as it were |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 6:08pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Very good... Just to confirm... the "Tree of Life" does not differ from its original word unlike that of Tree of good and evil which stands for beauty and adversity per your research? After this, let's allow the thread revert back to its status quo... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Seun(m): 6:28pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Every contradiction deserves its own thread. 4 Likes 4 Shares |
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