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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by RillJ(m): 6:39am On Apr 10, 2018
And our debt profile hits ...(should be smash self)

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by seguno2: 6:41am On Apr 10, 2018
Admin401:
No human can fix Nigeria. I repeat, NO HUMAN!!!

So who can?
What do we do for the person to fix OUR country
Abi what is the essence of your revelation?
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by fuckpro: 7:10am On Apr 10, 2018
4Play:
If you have sound macro-economic fundamentals (low inflation, high GDP growth, export growth and high FDI inflows), then forex reserves are a sign of strength. However, in Nigeria's case, the increasing forex reserves are largely to do with the recovery in oil prices and, more importantly, the depreciation of the Naira from circa N155 to $1 to N360 to $1. The latter acted as a curb on imports by reducing the purchasing power of the average Nigerian, whilst the recovery in oil prices allowed the CBN to replenish the reserves. This is why the comparison between now and the GEJ era is ignorant - you are comparing levels of forex reserves at vastly different exchange rates.

The example I have often cited before is the Abacha era when forex reserves increased from $500m to $7bn at one point (an increase of 1300%). This wasn't because of sound economic policies. This was largely due to the collapse in the Naira as we went from N22 to $1 to N85 to $1. This curbed imports and helped replenish the reserves. Put simply, you can save money by starving yourself (arguably starvation to death saves money) but that is not living. Policies which cause the collapse of the Naira and significantly reduce living standards do not become vindicated because of an uninformed fixation with forex reserves.

It's debates like these that illustrate that the Nigeria's problem isn't solely about the quality of political leadership but is also about a hopelessly uninformed electorate. To celebrate forex reserves against a backdrop of collapse in both living standards and the purchasing power of the average Nigerian is a celebration of abject ignorance.
...thumbs up you know what you are saying
...your write up makes sense
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by ashjay001(m): 7:15am On Apr 10, 2018
AZeD1:

The Naira cannot be stable because it's not backed by anything. The CBN spends money to main a false level.


If you think Buhari has integrity, it's either you don't know the meaning of integrity or the meaning has changed and I missed the memo.


Hmm...

All these egg? abi na coconut head sef!? When pmb, refused to devalue, una dey complain, if he had, we probably will still be on 700naira/dollar.

If it's not backed by anything, how come market forces, havent broken d cbn limit? Abi, for a country, exiting recession, who's supposed to provide forex?

Gej n his cohorts, spent billions, to expose his lack of integrity. A former petroleum minister, head of state, ptf administrator, of Nigeria, still lives in a humble abode n can't be linked to any form of ill-gotten wealth!

Point out, one other, in this country of ours, that has been involved in d petroleum ministry n can't lay claim to stupendous wealth?

According to u, by virtue of a son, being a criminal, d father is also a criminal? That members of d executive lack integrity, signifies pmb, lacks integrity?

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Ugosample(m): 7:21am On Apr 10, 2018
jimrog:


So why was the reserve falling when oil price was very high during the last govt?

That's what the propaganda machinery will tell you

Oil prices began to fall at the tail end of the last govt, and the govt (CBN under sanusi, and emefiele continued) was defending the naira from that reserve

So it is expected that oil prices fall

it's that simple
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Ugosample(m): 7:22am On Apr 10, 2018
Afamed:


Another one has come. Was there any time Nigeria recorded foreign reserve of 40b dollar under GEJ?

Of course yes!
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Ugosample(m): 7:24am On Apr 10, 2018
olujastro:

Follow the news like I do if you have to exclaim next time or read my comment well enough.



Inflation dropping is not the same as deflation undecided

The Consumer Price Index falling does not mean that there is a deflationary pressure in the economy


Now I see

many pro Buhari elements are simply unimformef, or will i say misinformed undecided

Deflation by black atse
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by jimrog: 7:28am On Apr 10, 2018
Ugosample:


That's what the propaganda machinery will tell you

Oil prices began to fall at the tail end of the last govt, and the govt (CBN under sanusi, and emefiele continued) was defending the naira from that reserve

So it is expected that oil prices fall

it's that simple

No that's not the reason per say because oil drop to its lowest after this govt took over and the reserve never fall at the pace it was falling during the last govt. Even the lowest oil price of the last govt is still very much higher than current oil price....

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Ugosample(m): 7:35am On Apr 10, 2018
jimrog:


No that's not the reason per say because oil drop to its lowest after this govt took over and the reserve never fall at the pace it was falling during the last govt. Even the lowest oil price of the last govt is still very much higher than current oil price....


undecided

How will I explain this thing to you now

Okay

Now, the last govt was defending the Naira at 199 to the dollar, that was what made the reserves slide the way it did,

This govt is defending the naira at 360, and is not even paying direct fuel subsidy



Let the govt defend the naira even at 250 to the dollar, and see what will happen to that reserves and the economy.


Long story short, this govt is a failure that needs to be dropped in the dustbin of Nigeria's history in 2019
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by olujastro: 7:40am On Apr 10, 2018
4Play:
If you have sound macro-economic fundamentals (low inflation, high GDP growth, export growth and high FDI inflows), then forex reserves are a sign of strength. However, in Nigeria's case, the increasing forex reserves are largely to do with the recovery in oil prices and, more importantly, the depreciation of the Naira from circa N155 to $1 to N360 to $1. The latter acted as a curb on imports by reducing the purchasing power of the average Nigerian, whilst the recovery in oil prices allowed the CBN to replenish the reserves. This is why the comparison between now and the GEJ era is ignorant - you are comparing levels of forex reserves at vastly different exchange rates.

The example I have often cited before is the Abacha era when forex reserves increased from $500m to $7bn at one point (an increase of 1300%). This wasn't because of sound economic policies. This was largely due to the collapse in the Naira as we went from N22 to $1 to N85 to $1. This curbed imports and helped replenish the reserves. Put simply, you can save money by starving yourself (arguably starvation to death saves money) but that is not living. Policies which cause the collapse of the Naira and significantly reduce living standards do not become vindicated because of an uninformed fixation with forex reserves.

It's debates like these that illustrate that the Nigeria's problem isn't solely about the quality of political leadership but is also about a hopelessly uninformed electorate. To celebrate forex reserves against a backdrop of collapse in both living standards and the purchasing power of the average Nigerian is a celebration of abject ignorance.
I was hoping someone would reply you but no one did.
At the first bolded, yet no one can answer the question, why was our foreign reserve reducing instead of going up when oil prices were rocket high at over $100 under Jonathan, the looter-in-chief?
At the second bolded, you are equally being ignorant if not worse. It's called foreign reserves not local reserves, which means it's denominated in foreign currency (mainly USD) and not naira. Meaning the amount in the reserve has nothing to do with the prevailing exchange rate. Even if exchange rates go up, people adjust to the new rate and pass on the difference to the consumers which leads to inflation. People don't stop importing except the government doesn't give out fx anymore.
Like I said, your ignorance is far worse than the average Nigerian. Venezuela is down to its last $10b of foreign reserve and as a result its currency is almost useless with concurrent hyperinflation. Before 2014, $1 = 10 vef. Now $1 = 205,000 vef. Venezuelans have been running to neighbouring Colombia and other neighbours to avoid starvation because the government can no longer import basic foods and medicines since 2015.
Foreign investors do not bring foreign currency into a country that has low reserves because of fear that they can't repatriate their money when they want to.

PS: Nigeria would have been heading to a refuse dump of economic crisis like venezuela if Jonathan had continued beyond 2015 as he added nothing to us but looted virtually everything in sight. Those who know know. Buhari's emergence put a major halt against our then impending economic crisis that all economists (including Okonjo, Sanusi and Soludo) had been warning us about if oil prices crash.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by udeh3(m): 8:27am On Apr 10, 2018
I laugh when I see all these indices which does not translate into reality and development. First, South Africa is not more than 50m in terms of population. They have their system, manufacturing companies working but in Nigeria when import everything even the so called oil

Please, let's move ahead and stop being deceived!
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by efficiencie(m): 8:42am On Apr 10, 2018
seguno2:


For how long shall we remain import dependent? 56 years of independence and counting.
What economic policies has Buhari and APC implemented to reduce our import dependence

Bro we did not become import dependent in a day. Our human capital is horrible so we do not have the requisite stock of acumen to drive non-oil wealth creation. Our infrastructure is also terrible with emphasis on the security, property right protection, power supply and health facilities which are in short supply. Then to crown it all up we have trade partners who are more sophisticated economically than we are thus ensuring that they reap more of the gains of comparative cost advantage than we do - imagine Nigeria having the US, the UK and China as major trading partners whilst recording very low South-South intra-industry trade where we can reap substantial gains from comparative advantage. These problems have accumulated over the years and only very tough administration can turn the tide and set Nigeria on an economic trajectory headed towards economic independence, resilience and sustainability! And sadly we are yet to have serious, sincere and smart leaders. The crop of politicians I see today, including those who call themselves representatives of the youths, do not have the stuff of tough leaders who can make tough decisions in the interest of Nigeria.

Trump may be a madman but his "America first" ideal shows that he is the right madman for America. Nigeria also needs a madman who will put "Nigeria first"!

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by efficiencie(m): 9:14am On Apr 10, 2018
olujastro:

I was hoping someone would reply you but no one did.
At the first bolded, yet no one can answer the question, why was our foreign reserve reducing instead of going up when oil prices were rocket high at over $100 under Jonathan, the looter-in-chief?
At the second bolded, you are equally being ignorant if not worse. It's called foreign reserves not local reserves, which means it's denominated in foreign currency (mainly USD) and not naira. Meaning the amount in the reserve has nothing to do with the prevailing exchange rate. Even if exchange rates go up, people adjust to the new rate and pass on the difference to the consumers which leads to inflation. People don't stop importing except the government doesn't give out fx anymore.
Like I said, your ignorance is far worse than the average Nigerian. Venezuela is down to its last $10b of foreign reserve and as a result its currency is almost useless with concurrent hyperinflation. Before 2014, $1 = 10 vef. Now $1 = 205,000 vef.
Foreign investors do not bring foreign currency into a country that has low reserves because of fear that they can't repatriate their money when they want to.

PS: Nigeria would have been heading to a refuse dump of economic crisis like venezuela if Jonathan had continued beyond 2015 as he added nothing to us but looted virtually everything in sight. Those who know know. Buhari's emergence put a major halt against our then impending economic crisis that all economists (including Okonjo, Sanusi and Soludo) had been warning us about if oil prices crash.

Brilliant response! I am not just happy with you mentioning Okonjo among the three names you mentioned. Okonjo supervised and witnessed first hand the plunder and pillage that was fatal to Nigeria. Nevertheless the Buhari government is quite slow and Nigeria still shows the same structural weaknesses that makes it vulnerable to both local and international shocks. The global financial crisis of 2008 and the fuel price drop of 2015 both revealed that Nigeria cannot stand a shock of a global magnitude and on the local front the so called herdsmen crisis, Boko Haram, organized crime, epileptic power supply, poor health facilities, poor supply of effective high level manpower and poor educational institutions all show that even locally we do not have an necessary fundamentals to foster a market emerging economy. Nigerians expected the government to display an aggressive style of governance towards addressing these ills but from the trajectory we are currently I do not see the Buhari government addressing these issues even in his second tenure. Sadly Buhari does not have a worthy replacement as it was during the last election.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by efficiencie(m): 9:20am On Apr 10, 2018
Ugosample:


Inflation dropping is not the same as deflation undecided

The Consumer Price Index falling does not mean that there is a deflationary pressure in the economy


Now I see

many pro Buhari elements are simply unimformef, or will i say misinformed undecided

Deflation by black atse

Well for your information, the decline in the consumer price index is DEFLATION. Nevertheless the decline in the inflation rate is not a deflation it is rather a disinflation!

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by vani86: 9:24am On Apr 10, 2018
AZeD1:

Stop misinforming people.
Foreign reserves is basically the money government has to pay for imports(liabilities). Has nothing to do with stability of a currency.

you are right, i am right too, they all connect, what do you think will happen to a country's currency that cannot pay for its imports (case in point, Venezuela). of course their currency will crash.

his question was how does it affect the common man, so i used that simple illustration to educate him

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by vani86: 9:29am On Apr 10, 2018
shedy03:

sorry eh. how did we even get to N365=$1 from N200=$1? its sad.

a combination of a foreign reserve that was as low as $25 billion dollars, coupled with crash in oil price coupled with Nigeria's very poor economic stability also add to that the very poor CBN policy of banning access to dollars for some imports abruptly without any warning which led to a surge in the black market.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by sexyanyabubakar(f): 9:45am On Apr 10, 2018
Redoil:
Mumu people what is the essence of huge savings when there is hunger and no infrastures in place to better the lives of nigeria
Buhar and his followas na who mumu pass self
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by sexyanyabubakar(f): 9:52am On Apr 10, 2018
Ugosample:
Oil prices has more than doubked since 2016

So this is to be expected
No big deal.
The oil price falls tomorrow, and you will see how that reserves will fall.

My issue now is..
.
Why is this govt plunging Nigeria into serious debt, without tangible projects on ground?

This country sef undecided
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by sexyanyabubakar(f): 10:01am On Apr 10, 2018
Mypeople2:
Well that is nice.It's like having N10,000 in your account yet you are sick,hungry,homeless, untidy,begging people for N100 and even borrowing N50 everyday from people,still you don't want to touch that 10k.In fact,you are adding the little ones they give to you to the 10k.Nigeria,I hail thee!
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Nobody: 10:02am On Apr 10, 2018
How has this helped our currency?

Our naira is still depreciating.
Who are we deceiving and who did us this thing
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by olujastro: 11:23am On Apr 10, 2018
efficiencie:


Brilliant response! I am not just happy with you mentioning Okonjo among the three names you mentioned. Okonjo supervised and witnessed first hand the plunder and pillage that was fatal to Nigeria. Nevertheless the Buhari government is quite slow and Nigeria still shows the same structural weaknesses that makes it vulnerable to both local and international shocks. The global financial crisis of 2008 and the fuel price drop of 2015 both revealed that Nigeria cannot stand a shock of a global magnitude and on the local front the so called herdsmen crisis, Boko Haram, organized crime, epileptic power supply, poor health facilities, poor supply of effective high level manpower and poor educational institutions all show that even locally we do not have an necessary fundamentals to foster a market emerging economy. Nigerians expected the government to display an aggressive style of governance towards addressing these ills but from the trajectory we are currently I do not see the Buhari government addressing these issues even in his second tenure. Sadly Buhari does not have a worthy replacement as it was during the last election.
Exactly! Finally someone reasons like me.
I'm not so happy that I have to support Buhari's reelection for all the above reasons, but it feels like I don't have a better option to him at the moment.
Imagine what Nigeria has been reduced to. When I'm hoping my country can develop faster and become another Dubai in the shortest possible time, I'll have to endure another four years of a slow, non aggressive president. Chai!
I'll just have to take consolation in the fact that a slow president is far better than the quick looters contesting against him.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by 4Play(m): 12:40pm On Apr 10, 2018
olujastro:

I was hoping someone would reply you but no one did.
At the first bolded, yet no one can answer the question, why was our foreign reserve reducing instead of going up when oil prices were rocket high at over $100 under Jonathan, the looter-in-chief?
At the second bolded, you are equally being ignorant if not worse. It's called foreign reserves not local reserves, which means it's denominated in foreign currency (mainly USD) and not naira. Meaning the amount in the reserve has nothing to do with the prevailing exchange rate. Even if exchange rates go up, people adjust to the new rate and pass on the difference to the consumers which leads to inflation. People don't stop importing except the government doesn't give out fx anymore.
Like I said, your ignorance is far worse than the average Nigerian. Venezuela is down to its last $10b of foreign reserve and as a result its currency is almost useless with concurrent hyperinflation. Before 2014, $1 = 10 vef. Now $1 = 205,000 vef. Venezuelans have been running to neighbouring Colombia and other neighbours to avoid starvation because the government can no longer import basic foods and medicines since 2015.
Foreign investors do not bring foreign currency into a country that has low reserves because of fear that they can't repatriate their money when they want to.

PS: Nigeria would have been heading to a refuse dump of economic crisis like venezuela if Jonathan had continued beyond 2015 as he added nothing to us but looted virtually everything in sight. Those who know know. Buhari's emergence put a major halt against our then impending economic crisis that all economists (including Okonjo, Sanusi and Soludo) had been warning us about if oil prices crash.

Your post is epic idiocy. If the Naira remained at N155 to $1, the reserves won't rise significantly even if oil were at $100 p/b as Nigerians would be able consume more imported goods. At N360 to $1, import demand is much weaker and you only need a decent recovery in oil prices to accumulate reserves. Increasing minimum wages from N5k to N18k, whilst maintaining relatively stable exchange rate, fueled consumption of imported goods. Without exchange rates falling, reserves could not have been accumulated notwithstanding high oil prices. Comparing forex reserves at significantly different exchange rates is a sign of economic illiteracy.

As for the Venezuela analogy, this is again borne out of ignorance. Venezuela entered into a recession in 2013, at a time GEJ was in power. Did you in 2014 or 2015 praise GEJ for not turning Nigeria into Venezuela?

June 9, 2013 1:32 pm by Benedict Mander in Caracas

Hyperinflation is looming in Venezuela, with prices suffering their highest monthly rise on record in May, while the economy slides into recession and the popularity of Nicolas Maduro, the new president, wanes.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/b41fbcb4-d0f1-11e2-be7b-00144feab7de

How can you attribute to the present government a phenomenon (the relative underperformance of Venezuela by comparison to Nigeria) which was already apparent as early as 2013? Save your uninformed commentary to your fellow benighted ignoramuses.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by 7lives: 12:57pm On Apr 10, 2018
abduljabbar4:
What we went through in 2015, 2016, and half of 2017 was nothing but the result of the foolish buffon. Even madam puff puff told nigerians to prepare for a hard time and lets not forget how gej had to borrow inorder to pay salaries a few weeks before he handed over to Buhari. Now that the mess has been cleaned up, its time to get to work. Sai Baba.

If you like go and get yoyr pvc. my one vote will scatter your 1 useless vote

Thank God things are shaping up, God bless everyone who made this beautiful RESERVE possible.
But I believe we can go higher, God bless PMB.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by 7lives: 1:00pm On Apr 10, 2018
CodeTemplar:
Oga it has everything to do with stability of currency. The govt takes forex from the reserve and use it to meet import need on a short term basis. The volume of forex in market helps drive down forex price just like any other commodity. The main thing here is that the govt varies the availability of forex (its volume) in market to try and maintain a stable exchange. It is a short term strategy.
k

So you don't know that most Nigerians are educated fools?.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Barzinime(m): 1:48pm On Apr 10, 2018
Cos you people love living the fake lifestyle..you want to enjoy but dont want to sacrifice for it...you prefer to import foods than produce locally...GEJ gave you a sugar coated economy someone came to fix it & you expect miracles to start happening....Pastors and Imam tells you to bring part of your hard earned money you have no problem in doing so....where have Nigerians kept their brains.... undecided
rainylad:




What is there to be happy about?

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Barzinime(m): 1:50pm On Apr 10, 2018
Yes ooo educated fools that just follow the largest noise makers
7lives:
k

So you don't know that most Nigerians are educated fools?.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Barzinime(m): 1:51pm On Apr 10, 2018
Even if you beg Jesus Christ to come and rule.... Them Saraki & co will sabotage everything..
seguno2:


So who can?
What do we do for the person to fix OUR country
Abi what is the essence of your revelation?
Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by seguno2: 2:00pm On Apr 10, 2018
Barzinime:
Even if you beg Jesus Christ to come and rule.... Them Saraki & co will sabotage everything..

Who are Saraki & co where you have 170 million citizens

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by 7lives: 2:12pm On Apr 10, 2018
Naruto87:

lol...finally an honest view..in summary what this means is that we are moving in the right direction, though we aren't there yet

I bought a bottle of Palm oil for 300 Naira, it was almost 800 Naira two years ago.

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by Barzinime(m): 2:15pm On Apr 10, 2018
I can see how active & intelligent the 170million is....Following & praising the so called corrupt Politicians... The new gimmick is Get your PVC and vote them out and the 170million follows
seguno2:


Who are Saraki & co where you have 170 million citizens

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Re: Nigeria’s Foreign Reserves Hit $47 Billion - Surpass That Of South Africa by $4b by seguno2: 2:48pm On Apr 10, 2018
Barzinime:
I can see how active & intelligent the 170million is....Following & praising the so called corrupt Politicians... The new gimmick is Get your PVC and vote them out and the 170million follows

How else do you think that they can be gotten rid of?
What are you doing in line with your own thinking about how to get rid of them?
Thanks.

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