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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

If this was true, then no way he'd have been converted into a 9. Didn't watch him at his U17, but I don't believe this.
this is like saying mikel never used to give defence splitting passes in u20 otherwise he would not have been converted into a defensive midfielder

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:17pm On Apr 22, 2018
tbaba1234:


Awaziem joined Porto officially in 2015... In 2014, he could not play any official games as he was less than 18 years.

10 months after signing a pro contract, he was a regular in the first team albeit briefly.
OK officially 2015 but left El kanemi in 2014 to team up with Porto.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:24pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

If this was true, then no way he'd have been converted into a 9. Didn't watch him at his U17, but I don't believe this.
oga, it is very true

Kelechi racked up 6 goals and 7 assists at the U17 World Cup. That was how he won the Golden Ball...

He was converted because of his poaching skills

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:31pm On Apr 22, 2018
Kog45:
Sir i don't know why all this fuss about Iheanacho,sometimes some berate him unnecessarily and some praise him excessively and to get balance view on him is always difficult here.

One thing is certain he is a baller whether he can dribble or not,is Ronaldo a dribbler?but Messi he is and the two are the best with 5 ballon d'or for the past 10 years.

I think Nacho cannot dribble should not be an issue but if someone says he cannot score then we talk

Iheanacho is a scorer not a dribbler.

I wonder when the Iheanacho is not a dribbler became the point. Some said Iheanacho can not dribble. They have been proven wrong. I stated clearly that Iheanacho has the skills in his locker but does not rely on them.

The point is too simple.

Iheanancho is not a dribbler because he does not rely on his dribbling skills. That means he can dribble. The point is too simple.

I was speaking against the idea that Iheanacho can not dribble. The simple answer is he can dribble.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:34pm On Apr 22, 2018
asha80:
this is like saying mikel never used to give defence splitting passes in u20 otherwise he would not have been converted into a defensive midfielder

Brutal and Perfect analogy. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:41pm On Apr 22, 2018
Chrismario:


I never said he can't dribble, even those that said so cannot be adjudged wrongly because I'm sure you know what they really meant.

Can you boldly name one outfield player that can't dribble?

A good scorer can only be a scorer when he scores always likewise a good keeper, this same principle applies to a good dribbler.

Since he doesn't pull it always, HE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A DRIBBLER!


I wonder what is bothering you here. My point is so so simple. Some said Iheanacho can not dribble. I said it is not true, he has the skills in his locker but he does not rely on it.

What you are writing up there agrees with my point to some extent. Iheanacho is not a dribbler because he does not rely on his skills. Very simple point.

By the way, no scorer scores always. Not even Lewandowski, Messi, CR7 or Suarez. That does not mean they are not scorers.

Saying Iheanacho can not be considered a dribbler because he does not pull off dribbles always is not a right statement. Even Okocha did not pull off his skills always.

Iheanacho can not be tagged a dribbler because he does not rely on his skills to cause damage. That does not mean Iheanacho can not dribble.

If you believe Iheanacho can dribble and have skills in his locker, I wonder why you are quoting me.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:44pm On Apr 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


I wonder what when the Iheanacho is not a dribbler became the point. Some said Iheanacho can not dribble. They have been proven wrong. I stated clearly that Iheanacho has the skills in his locker but does not rely on them.

The point is too simple.

Iheanancho is not a dribbler because he does not rely on his dribbling skills. That means he can dribble. The point is too simple.

I was speaking against the idea that Iheanacho can not dribble. The simple answer is he can dribble.
That's why i said no need to argue it cos Iheanacho has passed that level.

I had the opportunity of watching him live in UAE during U 17 WC and closely during their training at Rashidiya.

I will not deceive you his pace is enough to delete opponents so he doesn't even need to drribble.

Check him and Awoniyi critically at U 17 they outshone their opponents with high pressing pace.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 12:49pm On Apr 22, 2018
safarigirl:
oga, it is very true

Kelechi racked up 6 goals and 7 assists at the U17 World Cup. That was how he won the Golden Ball...

He was converted because of his poaching skills
I am not denying his creativity. I'm denying his style of play was similar to Mahrez. Do you know what means?? Mahrez??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 12:51pm On Apr 22, 2018
asha80:
this is like saying mikel never used to give defence splitting passes in u20 otherwise he would not have been converted into a defensive midfielder
Mikel's technical ability has never been in doubt to any Chelsea fan. The main criticism of him was his lack of mobility and safe passing. Mikel's first 2 seasons he was popping killer passes all over the place. There's no comparison or whatsoever.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:52pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

I am not denying his creativity. I'm denying his style of play was similar to Mahrez. Do you know what means?? Mahrez??
OK how do you see Sallah,is Sallah a scorer or dribbler?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 12:53pm On Apr 22, 2018
Kog45:
OK how do you see Sallah,is Sallah a scorer or dribbler?
Salah is dubbed "the Egyptian Messi". What is Messi's best attribute??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 12:56pm On Apr 22, 2018
Loogan:

Iheanacho in the last match was one liecester highest dribblers with three successful dribbles that's about the most recent. Nacho is not just a good dribbler he is a very good one as a matter of fact, he dosent play on the wings like the guys you mentioned above he plays centrally. Even world beaters like Suarez who is an excellent dribbler has to limit his dribbling because his job is to get goals, same with Nacho.
Nacho U-17 was Very skillful and his style was similar to how mahrez plays.
If you call Iheanacho a dribbler what then do you call players like Moses, Messi, Neymer, Hazard?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:00pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

I am not denying his creativity. I'm denying his style of play was similar to Mahrez. Do you know what means?? Mahrez??
go and watch U17 World Cup 2013.

It is on YouTube
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:03pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

Salah is dubbed "the Egyptian Messi". What is Messi's best attribute??
Messi na all in all o,Sallah never reach.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 1:05pm On Apr 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Your first line shows you do not even understand the point. I did not and never said Nacho is a dribbler. Nacho does not utilize dribbling to cause damage. I am pointing out that the notion he can not dribble is false.

The statement Iheanacho can not dribble is wrong. The statement that Iheanacho has limited dribbling ability is wrong. He has the ability and can pull them off. He does not rely on them.
What do you mean Iheanacho has abundant dribbling ability but he does not rely on them?
Which player would have such a deadly ability and not utilize it?
How is that even possible.

Oga, you don't know what you're saying.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 1:06pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

Mikel's technical ability has never been in doubt to any Chelsea fan. The main criticism of him was his lack of mobility and safe passing. Mikel's first 2 seasons he was popping killer passes all over the place. There's no comparison or whatsoever.
some renowned playmakers didnt have so much mobility though(riquelme)..secondly at safe passing you dont think this started when he was pushed to that defensive postion?trying to play it safe because that wasnt his default role?how come we didnt really see this safe passing during his under20 era?i watched that u20 in netherlands well and i dont remember him engaging too much in safe passing
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:14pm On Apr 22, 2018
asha80:
some renowned playmakers didnt have so much mobility though(riquelme)..secondly at safe passing you dont think this started when he was pushed to that defensive postion?trying to play it safe because that wasnt his default role?how come we didnt really see this safe passing during his under20 era?i watched that u20 in netherlands well and i dont remember him engaging too much in safe passing
How does that prove we didn't know Mikel was already a highly technical player? Like I've said - I've never seen any Chelsea fan that doubted Mikel's technical ability. You said me doubting Iheanacho dribbling and style of play was similar to Mahrez in his U17 days is like saying Mikel doesn't give defence splitting passes and I'm telling you there has been proof of Mikel's passing ability in his first 2 seasons. I haven't seen proof of Nacho's dribbling being similar to that of Mahrez. I haven't seen any city fan say they've seen glimpses of it. It's always the same thing - vision and great finishing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 1:14pm On Apr 22, 2018
Humility017:


4 goals scored in Chinese league can't be compared to same feet...in Spain or England...
you all acting as if it is something spectacular....

Bros nawa o
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:16pm On Apr 22, 2018
Kog45:
Messi na all in all o,Sallah never reach.
Lool of course na. But Salah dribbling is crazy too. He also makes those runs in behind similar to Messi. Not at the same level mind.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 1:16pm On Apr 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


How can you even say this? There are people who watched Mikel at Chelsea, who did not watch him during his junior years playing for Nigeria, who will believe Mikel lacks little to know ability to dribble or play with flair. That is the same way with Nacho. He plays with a direct pattern and relies more on intelligent passing to unlock defences. That does not mean he can not dribble.

Look at the skill Nacho pulled off in the game against Sporting Kansas City in the video below, from 2:22. A player with little dribbling ability can never pull that skill off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkCwL-O8kPQ
The issue is of the present and not in the past.

When we talk of dribblers, we're talking about players who are known for exhibiting it and displacing their opponents with it at a frequent rate. They are usually very confident and adventurous and enterprising with the ball.

Got it? So Iheanacho doesn't fall in thus category. Players Like Jay jay, Ronaldinho, Robben, Mess I, V.Moses, Neymar etc

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:22pm On Apr 22, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
The issue is of the present and not in the past.

When we talk of dribblers, we're talking about players who are known for exhibiting and displacing their opponents with it at a frequent rate. They are usually very confident and adventurous with the ball.
you are shifting the goal post smiley
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 1:23pm On Apr 22, 2018
safarigirl:
you are shifting the goal post smiley
OK. explain... No come dey do padi padi for your friends abeg
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:28pm On Apr 22, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
OK. explain... No come dey do padi padi for your friends abeg
the initial discourse is

Iheanacho has NO dribbling ability

GoodJoe says:

No, he has always had it, but it went dormant recently

Now, you:

I get am before no be property, he is not even as good as JJ and Hazard.


There was never such a comparison, there was just a debunking of the claim that Kelechi has NO dribbling ability, that he CANNOT dribble

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:31pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

Lool of course na. But Salah dribbling is crazy too. He also makes those runs in behind similar to Messi. Not at the same level mind.
Don't you think Sallah goal scoring has limited his dribbling compared to when he was at Chelsea cos Sallah of today is very precise in front of goal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 1:40pm On Apr 22, 2018
safarigirl:
the initial discourse is

Iheanacho has NO dribbling ability

GoodJoe says:

No, he has always had it, but it went dormant recently

Now, you:

I get am before no be property, he is not even as good as JJ and Hazard.


There was never such a comparison, there was just a debunking of the claim that Kelechi has NO dribbling ability, that he CANNOT dribble
I get your point now but...

The Iheanacho of nowadays is what we're talking about.

Does he belong to the category of a dribbler? No!

In the SE we have such players in the mold of Moses and S.Moses.
These players are always eager to exhibit tjat line of activity.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:41pm On Apr 22, 2018
Kog45:
Don't you think Sallah goal scoring has limited his dribbling compared to when he was at Chelsea cos Sallah of today is very precise in front of goal.
Nah he's scored a few solo goals this season. Plus we see glimpses of it almost every game.
With this Nacho's argument, I'll give you the example of Thierry Henry. Flying Winger as a young player. When he got converted and became an accomplished CF, you still see glimpses of his skill and dribbling every game as he occasionally drifts wide and beats a man when he has to.
Can you honestly say that of Nacho in regards to his dribbling?? At least we glimpses of his precise short passing and final ball. Same can't be said of his dribbling.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:42pm On Apr 22, 2018
Kalu is not new to u. Many names have been put out here. We can easily check to see players that are performing.


Icon4s:


Fresh faces.

If I ask you to name one now......
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:44pm On Apr 22, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
I get your point now but...

The Iheanacho of nowadays is what we're talking about.

Does he belong to the category of a dribbler? No!

In the SE we have such players in the mold of Mises and S.Moses.



nobody said he is a dribbler. What they said is he CAN dribble.


Same way some said he was no more than a poacher

Pro Kelechi: He can score from Outside the box too (He did)

They said he can only score with his left foot

Pro-Kelechi: he can score with other parts of his body.


So, you see, nobody is saying Kelechi is JJ, what they are saying is "He can dribble when he wants to"

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by GoshenNLA(m): 1:48pm On Apr 22, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
These jerseys I'm seeing are not original.
everyone is entitled to their opinion
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:50pm On Apr 22, 2018
edi287:

Nah he's scored a few solo goals this season. Plus we see glimpses of it almost every game.
With this Nacho's argument, I'll give you the example of Thierry Henry. Flying Winger as a young player. When he got converted and became an accomplished CF, you still see glimpses of his skill and dribbling every game as he occasionally drifts wide and beats a man when he has to.
Can you honestly say that of Nacho in regards to his dribbling?? At least we glimpses of his precise short passing and final ball. Same can't be said of his dribbling.
Well you are right.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 1:51pm On Apr 22, 2018
GoshenNLA:
everyone is entitled to their opinion
Aba made
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 2:04pm On Apr 22, 2018
Nice nutmeg by Iwobi. Looking bright..

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