Just watching highlights now.

Has Moses learnt to cross ball overnight or am I seeing things?

Rudiger seemed to have locked a tricky winger called Salah today.

Ibime:
Just watching highlights now.

Has Moses learnt to cross ball overnight or am I seeing things?

It was shocking.

Greatihex:
now, let us leave rating. Who was better between the 2 today?

Very simple question.

Ibime:


Is he competing against himself or his contemporaries?

His past stats are average and so is this.

oga. I didn't say he is competing against himself. I just asked a simple question. Based on your logic of rating a Player's performance and Based on hazard's goals and assists this, have he just had one of his best seasons for chelsea?

Greatihex:
and the common sense told you that salah better than hazard today?

Your only evidence that Hazard was better today is whoscored, The whoscored who told us Hazard has been better than Salah this season

This hoow you know people who have eyes

Greatihex:
If i may ask, the good chelsea defence that stopped salah, is it the led by your calamity cahill?

Greatihex:
stop being ridiculous. I watched the game. You are the one who didn't watch it. Is salah the only liverpool player in attack? Cahill was the organizer in that defence and he did it good. ..

See person wey watch match below

Organizer ko, Calculator ni, People that have functioning eyes will know that it was Rudiger who shutdown Salah not yourr stupidd Cahill

Ibime:
Rudiger seemed to have locked a tricky winger called Salah today.

Greatihex:
oga. I didn't say he is competing against himself. I just asked a simple question. Based on your logic of rating a Player's performance and Based on hazard's goals and assists this, have he just had one of his best seasons for chelsea?

His season this year is no different to others. Hazard has not changed through his time at Chelsea except for 2016 when he was unfit

The only difference is that the real decisive title winners of 2015 and 2017 did not help him win the league this year. I know you thought he was the key factor when we won the league in 2015 and 2017 but some of us gave those titles to Costa, Fabregas and Ngolo as the decisive factors.

Ibime:


His season this year is no different to others. Hazard has not changed through his time at Chelsea except for 2016 when he was unfit

The only difference is that the real decisive title winners of 2015 and 2017 did not help him win the league this year. I know you thought he was the key factor when we won the league in 2015 and 2017 but some of us gave those titles to Costa, Fabregas and Ngolo as the decisive factors.

Greatihex airmark and chelseafan1 will not see this sense here even if it hits them in the face. They were the people telling us Hazard took Chelsea to the title with mediocre numbers of John King when it was Costa Kante and Fabregas doing the job. Costa left Fabregas dropped in quality and Hazard is dropping the same numbers dancing atilogwu Chelsea is 5th

raumdeuter:


This is what happens when you dont think properly before bringing fallacies here. You were bringing whoscored here as evidence that Hazard was better today when you could have used your brains but you refused, when the same whoscored now shamed you, You started "Now kets leave ratings" why did you bring rating in the first place and why do you want us to leave ratings now?

Thats why I always tell people watch games and stop the foolishnes of Terry won this award, Hazard was MOTM and has 10 ratings by whoscored

no. I did not use rating first. I used common sense, but when I saw that common sense flew over you. I used rating, the one that can be seen.


It seems like the rating one is not working. I think stats may help. But, i can see how you are trying to shift the argument to another thing.




















Though, there can be some things the rating does not capture, but in the case of Salah, he is not high on the rating because there are a lot lacking in his game that this sites use for rating. Things like passes, pass success, chances created, km covered, defensive contributions, etc. This is the same for many of the rating sites, squauka etc.
This was the basis for my argument of KDB being better than Salah this season. But, the thing is that the goals make the fans emotional that makes the fans neglect the work of the main people. Reason they keep giving the attackers the awards.
Just like how giroud was completely useless today, but managed to score a goal. Now, the fans and the media will say, oh giroud takes chelsea past liverpool, but kante is not mentioned, courtious, baka, Hazard, rudi, cahill etc. That is it. If salah had done this last season, kante for no collect pfa. Something that is bad.
All these Though are argument for another day.

TalabiAudu:
Dear Leicester,

We handed you the premier league when we ended Spurs' hopes at Stamford bridge, I think it's time for you to return the favour and destroy Spurs for us on the last day.

Sincerely, Chelsea fans.

signed & delivered

There are reports that Liverpool have agreed terms with Lyon for Nabil fekir at 70m euros.

Chelsea cannot watch deals like this happen.

Chelseafan1:


Shey dt rating even close.

See Hazard own compared to Salah na....too wide.

8.1 for Hazard to 5.8 for Salah.

Raumdeuter should be analysing igboya fc vs lagere utd or Masha kilo bombers fc vs Pen cinema pillars fc, Abakpa nike stars vs Emene rovers, Lugbe pythons vs Kurudu lions.

No sensible football fan would rate Sallah higher than Hazard in today's match.

Ibime:


His season this year is no different to others. Hazard has not changed through his time at Chelsea except for 2016 when he was unfit

The only difference is that the real decisive title winners of 2015 and 2017 did not help him win the league this year. I know you thought he was the key factor when we won the league in 2015 and 2017 but some of us gave those titles to Costa, Fabregas and Ngolo as the decisive factors.

raumdeuter seems to be having big influence here o. Just so that you don't admit to making a mistake or having a flaw in your logic, you resort to turning amala and saying ridiculous things. Just a simple question, you are now talking about those that won us title.







Fab? The same fab that lost it by december? Someone that didn't make it to the pfa team? Costa that was always injured or suspended? Ibime!!! I can't believe that you will making such statements just to save face. I can only expect such statement from anti chelsea fans.

If fab and Costa help hazard to win the title, why didn't they help willian to do same or close the following season you claim that hazard was unfit?

airmark:


Raumdeuter should be analysing igboya fc vs lagere utd or Masha kilo bombers fc vs Pen cinema pillars fc, Abakpa nike stars vs Emene rovers, Lugbe pythons vs Kurudu lions.

No sensible football fan would rate Sallah higher than Hazard in today's match.

Like your whoscored that told us hazard has been better in EPL this season than salah

Greatihex:
and the common sense told you that salah better than hazard today?

raumdeuter:


Your only evidence that Hazard was better today is whoscored, The whoscored who told us Hazard has been better than Salah this season

okay. Can you get us your own evidence? Maybe, stats to back up your claim

raumdeuter:


Like your whoscored that told us hazard has been better in EPL this season than salah

My whoscored? Below was what you told me when i rubbished your rating Rooney so high in a match he played rubbish. Thunder fire that your korobo head.

airmark:


No sensible person would watch the match and pick Rooney as man of the match. Let alone a so-called footie expert supporting such view. Wonders shall never end.

raumdeuter:


Whoscored.com one of the best football stats site rated Rooney as joint MOTM with Willian.

Raumdeuter, see as ur mumu Benzema deny person cool money.

Stop supporting idioots

airmark:


My whoscored? Below was what you told me when i rubbished your rating Rooney so high in a match he played rubbish. Thunder fire that your korobo head.

Bwahahahahaahha, Diggz, comman carry ur brother abeg.

See two mouths for one person

Chelseafan1:


Bwahahahahaahha, Diggz, comman carry ur brother abeg.

See two mouths for one person

He has no integrity at all. The same whoscored he used that time o.

How would any human being that watched the match, say that Sallah had a better performance than Hazard today?

Is Dayo really your uncle?

Greatihex:
raumdeuter seems to be having big influence here o. Just so that you don't admit to making a mistake or having a flaw in your logic, you resort to turning amala and saying ridiculous things. Just a simple question, you are now talking about those that won us title.







Fab? The same fab that lost it by december? Someone that didn't make it to the pfa team? Costa that was always injured or suspended? Ibime!!! I can't believe that you will making such statements just to save face. I can only expect such statement from anti chelsea fans.

For years you have been peddling this fallacy that Hazard won us the league in 2015 which is patently false. Transplant Hazards performance this season to 2015 and we would have still won the league comfortably. So no, Hazard has not changed between 2015 and now, and our league fortunes do not depend on whether he's on form or not cos his form is roughly the same every year.

We had been struggling to qualify for UCL year-on-year until we signed Fabregas and Costa that summer. Their combination propelled us to take a commanding lead by January, after which it was easy to manage out the rest of the season which Mourinho specialises in. After Fabregas got exposed at Spurs in January 2015, Mourinho drafted Zouma into midfield and changed the format of our play settling for 1-0 wins and draws to see out the season. This is when Hazard secured the lone goal in a couple of matches that made you history-revisors to start bleating that Hazard won us the league. Hazard never did such, and his performance this season would achieve the same effect. We don't live or die on Hazards minor fluctuations in form. The Fabregas-Costa combo wrapped up that league for us by January and we would have managed out that season to victory even if Hazard broke his leg.

Greatihex:

If fab and Costa help hazard to win the title, why didn't they help willian to do same or close the following season you claim that hazard was unfit?

All players were unfit that season bar Willian due to having only 3 weeks preseason as the club decided to go on post-season tour of Thailand which cut down our presseason to 3 weeks only. When I said that is the only season Hazards form has fluctuated wildly, I'm referring to his personal form cos that team could not be helped by one or two players being in form when the rest of the team is unfit. By his own personal form, I mean he came back from holiday with ikebe bigger than Eniola Badmus such that his dribbles weren't coming off due to his own personal lack of sharpness.

airmark:


He has no integrity at all. How would any human being that watched the match, say that Sallah had a better performance than Hazard today?

Is Dayo really your uncle?

Taaaa! I have disowned the shameless apari long ago.

Lemme see the nonsense he will write in defence of his support for whoscored.

Ibime:



For years you have been peddling this fallacy that Hazard won us the league in 2015 which is patently false. Transplant Hazards performance this season to 2015 and we would have still won the league comfortably. So no, Hazard has not changed between 2015 and now, and our league fortunes do not depend on whether he's on form or not cos his form is roughly the same every year.

We had been struggling to qualify for UCL year-on-year until we signed Fabregas and Costa that summer. Their combination propelled us to take a commanding lead by January, after which it was easy to manage out the rest of the season which Mourinho specialises in. After Fabregas got exposed at Spurs in January 2015, Mourinho drafted Zouma into midfield and changed the format of our play settling for 1-0 wins and draws to see out the season. This is when Hazard secured the lone goal in a couple of matches that made you history-revisors to start bleating that Hazard won us the league. Hazard never did such, and his performance this season would achieve the same effect. We don't live or die on Hazards minor fluctuations in form. The Fabregas-Costa combo wrapped up that league for is ny Jamuary and we would have managed out that season on top even if Hazard broke his leg.




All players were unfit that season bar Willian due to having only 3 weeks preseason as the club decided to go on preseason tour of Thailand. When I said that is the only season Hazards form has fluctuated wildly, I'm referring to his personal form cos that team could not be helped by one or two players being in form when the rest of the team is unfit. By his own personal form, I mean he came back from holiday with ikebe bigger than Eniola Badmus such that his dribbles weren't coming off due to his own personal lack of sharpness.

When Hazard shined and was more consistent in 2014/2015 and 2016/2017, we won epl titles. When he downed tools we lost them. I don't actually want to go into back and forth on this. It's needless.

Chelseafan1:


Taaaa! I have disowned the shameless apari long ago.

Lemme see the nonsense he will write in defence of his support for whoscored.

airmark:


When Hazard shined in 2014/2015 and 2016/2017, we won epl titles. When he downed tools we lost them. I don't actually want to go into back and forth on this. It's needless.

Yeah, according to you history revisors, we won league because Hazard shined, not because we signed Fabregas, Costa and Ngolo who gave the team what it needed to win.

Hazard has been here before these players came and never thought of shining abi?

How about this - Chelsea won the league in 2015 and 2017, thus you say he shined. . . cos his form then is no different to now.

The best I've ever seen Hazard play for Chelsea is this season from September to November. He actually showed form reserved for only the best in those months.

Ibime:


Yeah, according to you history revisors, we won league because Hazard shined, not because we signed Fabregas, Costa and Ngolo who gave the team what it needed to win.

Hazard has been here before these players came and never thought of shining abi?

How about this - Chelsea won the league in 2015 and 2017, thus you say he shined. . . cos his form then is no different to now.

The best I've ever seen Hazard play for Chelsea is this season from September to November. He actually showed form reserved for only the best in those months.

Football is a team sport, others must also do their jobs. If Barca used Dayo as their keeper, they wouldn't have won sextuple, but we know the most important player in the team. That wouldn't degrade the inputs of other key players.

There's a reason when Hazard flops, most times the team flop.

Ibime:


How about this - Chelsea won the league in 2015 and 2017, thus you say he shined. . . cos his form then is no different to now.

That's you being economical with the truth here. We have told you several times not to always use goals+assists alone to rate players. In those years you mentioned, he was more consistent in his performance than what he served this season. He confirmed this few weeks ago. It's something clear to Chelsea fans who watched all his matches in the seasons involved.

Saying his performace this season is not different from last season's, is embarrassing.

airmark:


Raumdeuter should be analysing igboya fc vs lagere utd or Masha kilo bombers fc vs Pen cinema pillars fc, Abakpa nike stars vs Emene rovers, Lugbe pythons vs Kurudu lions.

No sensible football fan would rate Sallah higher than Hazard in today's match.

Lol Airmark , you sha get time to dey reply our long serving enemy on this forum.

Ibime:



For years you have been peddling this fallacy that Hazard won us the league in 2015 which is patently false. Transplant Hazards performance this season to 2015 and we would have still won the league comfortably. So no, Hazard has not changed between 2015 and now, and our league fortunes do not depend on whether he's on form or not cos his form is roughly the same every year.

We had been struggling to qualify for UCL year-on-year until we signed Fabregas and Costa that summer. Their combination propelled us to take a commanding lead by January, after which it was easy to manage out the rest of the season which Mourinho specialises in. After Fabregas got exposed at Spurs in January 2015, Mourinho drafted Zouma into midfield and changed the format of our play settling for 1-0 wins and draws to see out the season. This is when Hazard secured the lone goal in a couple of matches that made you history-revisors to start bleating that Hazard won us the league. Hazard never did such, and his performance this season would achieve the same effect. We don't live or die on Hazards minor fluctuations in form. The Fabregas-Costa combo wrapped up that league for us by January and we would have managed out that season to victory even if Hazard broke his leg.




All players were unfit that season bar Willian due to having only 3 weeks preseason as the club decided to go on post-season tour of Thailand which cut down our presseason to 3 weeks only. When I said that is the only season Hazards form has fluctuated wildly, I'm referring to his personal form cos that team could not be helped by one or two players being in form when the rest of the team is unfit. By his own personal form, I mean he came back from holiday with ikebe bigger than Eniola Badmus such that his dribbles weren't coming off due to his own personal lack of sharpness.

congratulations. You have successfully ran away from the simple question i asked you.

Oga Ibime, try and go to bed. Next time.



There is no need to argue the obvious. Hazard was terrific from the beginning of Season. He just wasn't getting the goals at the beginning. I remember in swansea 4-2 match that the commentors said something like, "he has been great so far, but some people are saying that he should get the end products."



Did i just read you say chelsea were finding it difficult to qualify for ucl year on year before fab and costa? Hmm. This your attempt to cover the flaw in your rating logic have made you type some funny things this night o.

Chelsea that were challenging for titles till season end helped by hazard, before fab and costa. In 2013/2014 hazard greatly helped chelsea challenge for the title until mou decided to bench him for challenging his tactics against atm. Maybe, it is also fab and costa that helped him get the young pfa and come second only to the very terrific suarez for the senior one.

Oga Ibime, you don f-up for these statements.

Ongoing topic about hazard this and that , To be frank , Hazard influences our season since his debut back in 2013 till date , either negatively or positively , If he's on good form from August till December we will be unstoppable during this period. To me he's our best player since 2013 till date.

dyabman:



Lol Airmark , you sha get time to dey reply our long serving enemy on this forum.

Long time bro. I dont know what keeps pushing me to continue to spank his head. Maybe i should deactivate.

airmark:


Football is a team sport, others must also do their jobs. If Barca used Dayo as their keeper, they wouldn't have won sextuple, but we know the most important player in the team. That wouldn't degrade the inputs of other key players.

There's a reason when Hazard flops, most times the team flop.



That's you being economical with the truth here. We have told you several times not to always use goals+assists alone to rate players. In those years you mentioned, he was more consistent in his performance than what he served this season. He confirmed this few weeks ago. It's something clear to Chelsea fans who watched all his matches in the seasons involved.

Saying his performace this season is not different from last season's, is embarrassing.

honestly, i am surprised by the things oga Ibime typed. All these just to defend his flawed logic of goals and assists rating.