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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by duwdu: 3:25pm On Aug 01, 2018
pranil:


You did not say what kind of problems?

Are you running the Venus image or separate packages?

is the multi /bluesolar updated to latest firmware? if not you will need a windows computer to do so

A great resource for raspberry pi troubleshooting is the developer moderated googlegroup of venus

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/victron-dev-venus

Hi, pranil;

I must say the ease and frequency at which you and others throw in useful resources on here - and also explain them - is both inspiring and helpful to yours truly.

Regards.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by duwdu: 3:54pm On Aug 01, 2018
NiyiOmoIyunade:
On top of what Oga BigRovar has said, may I also add that if you use the battery in this way, discharging it all the way to the end, it will surely die a early death.

A 12v 200Ah battery at the top of it's game has about 2.4kWH of energy stored in it - a 200watts discharge is effectively C12 and you want a C20 discharge rate so as not to stress your average battery - by C20, I mean a discharge rate or load that will need to run for at least 20hours before your battery is fully spent.

So for this scenario, ideally you want to either drop your load to 100w and run this for 12 hours to get your battery to 50% DoD or add one more battery to make 2 units of 12v 200Ah then you can safely run your 200watt load for 12hours and comply with both the max load and depth of discharge rules and thereby secure best service life for your battery bank.



Many thanks for this succinct post, NiyiOmoIyunade.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Mrpm: 4:42pm On Aug 01, 2018
pranil:


If you see the logo that is the correct screen. The network issues may be due to raspberry Pi b3 +

see another user who was able to solve it by twisting arm and leg
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/victron-dev-venus/nZuRN96PJHQ/zSSpMrPCBAAJ;context-place=topic/victron-dev-venus/YAu2dENQ-wg

To acess venus you have to be another computer and point your browser to the Ip address of the venus. The VRM screen is available on remote PC and not the pi

https://www.victronenergy.com/live/venus-gx:start

see 2.2 onwards

Working now, except WiFi. Thanks

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Mrpm: 4:46pm On Aug 01, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Disco01(m): 4:53pm On Aug 01, 2018
chris81964:


what voltage 6V 12V 24 or 48 V? 200AH at 12 V is 2400 Watt hours. Usable is half of that which is 1200 watts hours. Divide you 200 into 1200 and you have your answer.


Thanks dear, this is really helpful.


What could be the wattage of an average 1kw inverter?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Disco01(m): 5:05pm On Aug 01, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mcTrinity(m): 5:32pm On Aug 01, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mcTrinity(m): 5:33pm On Aug 01, 2018
Disco01:

Thanks dear, this is really helpful.

What could be the wattage of an average 1kw inverter?
1kw

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by OnePunchMan: 6:18pm On Aug 01, 2018
mcTrinity:


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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by olopan(m): 7:25pm On Aug 01, 2018
bigrovar:

Try what oga pranil posted or wait for a new venus image that supports the Rpi+. The issue is the venus uses an old boot loader which is not compatible with new hardware included in the new Pi particularly network drivers. Pranil linked post gives a work around the problem but might be better to wait. The venus community are very active and a new image should be released very very soon.

I was tempted to use VRM too for remote logging and monitoring what held be back was the proprietariness of the VRM service (not venus) in the end I settled for emonpi with emoncms. That gave me greater control over every aspect of logging and monitoring. You can see my dashboard in my signature.

i will sure love to give them a try but quite frankly, haven't done any remote system all myself but very familiar with linux commands and its queries .... but will be happy to be thought.

and
CC: pranil
i noticed that you have only just one Quattro which i believe is a single phase and that being able to handle a few things ...
plus if the generator is 20KVA then you can simply go using 2 more quattro and one as the master and other slave .... with a maybe a pheonix victron to be strictly for critical et cetera.


plus have worked with fronius 25/27 Eco series three phase and i will say that you have the system properly setup ..... well done.



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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigbrovar: 9:24pm On Aug 01, 2018
olopan:


i will sure love to give them a try but quite frankly, haven't done any remote system all myself but very familiar with linux commands and its queries .... but will be happy to be thought.

Baby steps then. Post here how it goes and when you linked up with VMR.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pranil(m): 11:26pm On Aug 01, 2018
duwdu:


Hi, pranil;

I must say the ease and frequency at which you and others throw in useful resources on here - and also explain them - is both inspiring and helpful to yours truly.

Regards.

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P34c3
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Many thanks . I always wondered whats the story behind your nickname it is rather unique
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 11:40pm On Aug 01, 2018
pranil:


Many thanks . I always wondered whats the story behind your nickname it is rather unique
You're making me unnecessarily jealous
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pranil(m): 11:41pm On Aug 01, 2018
olopan:


i will sure love to give them a try but quite frankly, haven't done any remote system all myself but very familiar with linux commands and its queries .... but will be happy to be thought.

and
CC: pranil
i noticed that you have only just one Quattro which i believe is a single phase and that being able to handle a few things ...
plus if the generator is 20KVA then you can simply go using 2 more quattro and one as the master and other slave .... with a maybe a pheonix victron to be strictly for critical et cetera.


plus have worked with fronius 25/27 Eco series three phase and i will say that you have the system properly setup ..... well done.



PUBLIC NOTICE : I dey find jobs my ogas in the house abeg.

It will be 3 Phase 3 x 5KW Quattro that's why I mentioned if the victrons fail my house remains dark as the NEPA is connected to Ac1 and Gen on AC 2 - The victrons do the changeover ciritical loads on AC out1 and non critical on AC out 2 -
fromius will be coupled with MG50 setting to AC out1 ( also swicthed ttrhough contactor for extra safety and comes on only if NEPA is there or SOC below 95%)

the system will run as ESS with islanding by Ziehl which i rewired for 3 phase setup

to ditch the generator I will need minimum 9 pieces of 2,5 KWH BYD I have only 4 at the moment hence I mentioned gradual change

My plan to eventually have 12 units of 2.5 KWH which will allow me to get rid of 20 KVA but keep the 7.5 KVA for cloudy days

I have to try the 7.5 KVA and optimize the power assist and input current limits first . the 7.5 KVA is also 3 phase so really 2 KW per phase

There are many other small issues such as scheduled charging and discharging which will have to wait till venus firmware stabilizes
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Disco01(m): 12:41am On Aug 02, 2018
mcTrinity:


1kw


Sorry I mean the idle wattage or maybe the current it draws/consumes from the battery
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Brevir: 1:30am On Aug 02, 2018
Disco01:



Sorry I mean the idle wattage or maybe the current it draws/consumes from the battery

This will depend on the type of inverter...whether its high frequency or low frequency. The low frequency seems to draw more in idle mode

You may get info on the type of inverter from the manual
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mcTrinity(m): 7:11am On Aug 02, 2018
OnePunchMan:

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by shithapuns: 12:55pm On Aug 02, 2018
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NiyiOmoIyunade:
On top of what Oga BigRovar has said, may I also add that if you use the battery in this way, discharging it all the way to the end, it will surely die a early death.

A 12v 200Ah battery at the top of it's game has about 2.4kWH of energy stored in it - a 200watts discharge is effectively C12 and you want a C20 discharge rate so as not to stress your average battery - by C20, I mean a discharge rate or load that will need to run for at least 20hours before your battery is fully spent.

So for this scenario, ideally you want to either drop your load to 100w and run this for 12 hours to get your battery to 50% DoD or add one more battery to make 2 units of 12v 200Ah then you can safely run your 200watt load for 12hours and comply with both the max load and depth of discharge rules and thereby secure best service life for your battery bank.


on point

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Malevonent: 12:57pm On Aug 02, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 2:04pm On Aug 02, 2018
Hmmmmm my Oga

Except you are running all these loads when there is power from PHCN or Gen then I fear for the installer who said you can run a 2hp AC for a few hours off just ~10kW of lead acid batteries o!

Even with 8 batteries it would be a stretch because you will have other loads still running at thesame time.

With 2kw of panels and 4 12v 200ah batteries you should only be thinking of basic loads and perhaps 30 mins max with the iron or pumping machine - running a 2HP AC should not come into the picture when there is no mains power available except your batteries are in Float and the PV array can keep them in Float with the AC running [will be a tall order for a 2KW array with a 2HP AC]

If your current battery bank is over 3 months old I would not recommend adding a new set to join the old. Even at two months, care needs to be taken to when combining old and new batteries - they have to have very closely matched capacity and state of charge.

I think you need to sit down and evaluate what your power needs really are and this will help guide what manner of upgrades (if any) you need to perform. Except you have a fat budget you should prioritize your loads and only size up for loads that you will run regularly.





Malevonent:


cc bigrovar

thank you for this simple analysis, a little new to all this, so have a 5kva 48v inverter with 4 x 12v x 200ah, and 2kw solar panels, now the installer said i could run 2hp ac, or even my 1.5hp sumo, or a 2kw pressing iron for a few hours if i want,have been doing this for a few months now, no issues, but your explanation about c/10 and c20, its clear to me that i may be over stressing my bank.

now am thinking of adding another 4 x 12v x 200ah batts to my setup to lessen the effect of running such loads. my question is, is this a good move?..mixing a 2months old stressed bank with new batts?. how do i know if the old bank has been damaged, thus increasing the bank, wouldnot do anything?


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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Brevir: 2:30pm On Aug 02, 2018
Hello house, please, what are the optimum charging parameters for charging 4 number 12V/200AH batteries.
The set up seems to be doing fine, but charging parameters is currently set to user defined, with bulk charging voltage=58.8
Float voltage= 56.4
Total charging amperes=60A
Utility charging amps= 30A

I'm I better off leaving them this way or should I revert to the preset charging setting for AGM battery?

I don't want to have any issues with batteries in the future

Inverter Brand: 4KW ipower plus
Solar capacity: 3KW
Battery brand: Kung Long


cc: niyiomolyuande, pranil, kiekie, Richmond, saipro, et all.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 2:55pm On Aug 02, 2018
Please see the KungLong battery spec sheet below;

A float voltage of 56.4v is 14.1v per 12v battery, this will certainly kill your battery in the long run - max float voltage should be 55.2v or 13.8v per 12v battery.

Your Absorb voltage is fine per the spec sheet but for an AGM type battery I would be OKAY at between 14.4v to 14.6v max per 12v battery - ESPECIALLY if you don't have TEMPERATURE COMPENSATION on your charge source and I dont remember seeing that bundled with the IpowerPlus I have seen.

Also is there a reason you chose to restrict your utility charging amps to 30a? The IPowerPlus can go up to 60a and possibly 80a (newer models) for utility charging - your AGM batteries should be able to take 40a to 60a with ease.

To be safe, a user should not fiddle with user defined settings unless you specifically know what you are changing and why you are changing it as well as the consequences.



Brevir:
Hello house, please, what are the optimum charging parameters for charging 4 number 12V/200AH batteries.
The set up seems to be doing fine, but charging parameters is currently set to user defined, with bulk charging voltage=58.8
Float voltage= 56.4
Total charging amperes=60A
Utility charging amps= 30A

I'm I better off leaving them this way or should I revert to the preset charging setting for AGM battery?

I don't want to have any issues with batteries in the future

Inverter Brand: 4KW ipower plus
Solar capacity: 3KW
Battery brand: Kung Long


cc: niyiomolyuande, pranil, kiekie, Richmond, saipro, et all.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 6:33pm On Aug 02, 2018
Disco01:


Why this one come cost?

Hello, ok thats Fiamm telecom battery unit price, quantity above 1 will surely attract discount! Kindly reach me via my mobile number or whatsapp num in my profile if interested Sir ! Cheer's
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 6:38pm On Aug 02, 2018
Brevir:
Hello house, please, what are the optimum charging parameters for charging 4 number 12V/200AH batteries.
The set up seems to be doing fine, but charging parameters is currently set to user defined, with bulk charging voltage=58.8
Float voltage= 56.4
Total charging amperes=60A
Utility charging amps= 30A

I'm I better off leaving them this way or should I revert to the preset charging setting for AGM battery?

I don't want to have any issues with batteries in the future

Inverter Brand: 4KW ipower plus
Solar capacity: 3KW
Battery brand: Kung Long


cc: niyiomolyuande, pranil, kiekie, Richmond, saipro, et all.

You are highly welcome! See snapshot below for our Vietnamese kung long battery charge settings . Feel free to reach me for further enquiry . Cheer's !

NB: multiply whatever volt(per cell) you see ×6 to give you 12v readings !

Smartcell global services
081-350-31951

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Malevonent: 9:03pm On Aug 02, 2018
NiyiOmoIyunade:
Hmmmmm my Oga

Except you are running all these loads when there is power from PHCN or Gen then I fear for the installer who said you can run a 2hp AC for a few hours off just ~10kW of lead acid batteries o!

Even with 8 batteries it would be a stretch because you will have other loads still running at thesame time.

With 2kw of panels and 4 12v 200ah batteries you should only be thinking of basic loads and perhaps 30 mins max with the iron or pumping machine - running a 2HP AC should not come into the picture when there is no mains power available except your batteries are in Float and the PV array can keep them in Float with the AC running [will be a tall order for a 2KW array with a 2HP AC]

If your current battery bank is over 3 months old I would not recommend adding a new set to join the old. Even at two months, care needs to be taken to when combining old and new batteries - they have to have very closely matched capacity and state of charge.

I think you need to sit down and evaluate what your power needs really are and this will help guide what manner of upgrades (if any) you need to perform. Except you have a fat budget you should prioritize your loads and only size up for loads that you will run regularly.


yes i have decided to go for lower energy consuming steam pressing irons of 800w. hv ditched the 2hp air c. and would only be running the 1.5hp sumo on sunny days for <1hr. hence my confusion if i can add 4 new batts, b4 i cross the 3months window, or i continue with them..till they fail and then do a fresh 8 batt [ i no get money-dont like this option] .
any simple diy test i can do on the bank to confirm its status or know if 1 or 2 batts are bad?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by duwdu: 10:13pm On Aug 02, 2018
pranil:


Many thanks . I always wondered whats the story behind your nickname it is rather unique

Thanks, and good eyes! (As we'd say on a lawn tennis court.) grin

Long story, TBH; but briefly, I simply funkify'd the travails, struggles, and symbol of a human race by including the letter "w" in a native parlance.

Sorry if my explanation causes more intrigue... wink

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Brevir: 10:46pm On Aug 02, 2018
NiyiOmoIyunade:
Please see the KungLong battery spec sheet below;

A float voltage of 56.4v is 14.1v per 12v battery, this will certainly kill your battery in the long run - max float voltage should be 55.2v or 13.8v per 12v battery.

Your Absorb voltage is fine per the spec sheet but for an AGM type battery I would be OKAY at between 14.4v to 14.6v max per 12v battery - ESPECIALLY if you don't have TEMPERATURE COMPENSATION on your charge source and I dont remember seeing that bundled with the IpowerPlus I have seen.

Also is there a reason you chose to restrict your utility charging amps to 30a? The IPowerPlus can go up to 60a and possibly 80a (newer models) for utility charging - your AGM batteries should be able to take 40a to 60a with ease.

To be safe, a user should not fiddle with user defined settings unless you specifically know what you are changing and why you are changing it as well as the consequences.




Thanks very much..I truly appreciate it. I'll follow your advice.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Brevir: 10:46pm On Aug 02, 2018
kiekie1:


You are highly welcome! See snapshot below for our Vietnamese kung long battery charge settings . Feel free to reach me for further enquiry . Cheer's !

NB: multiply whatever volt(per cell) you see ×6 to give you 12v readings !

Smartcell global services
081-350-31951

Thanks very much sir, I'll follow suit.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pranil(m): 12:04am On Aug 03, 2018
duwdu:


Thanks, and good eyes! (As we'd say on a lawn tennis court.) grin

Long story, TBH; but briefly, I simply funkify'd the travails, struggles, and symbol of a human race by including the letter "w" in a native parlance.

Sorry if my explanation causes more intrigue... wink

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by shellliver: 5:38am On Aug 03, 2018
Dear fellow nairalanders, i need review on famicare pure sine wave inverters. I intend getting 2.5kva, 24V hybrid pure sine wave from them.

Urgent review required
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mrmachine: 6:41am On Aug 03, 2018
Hello bro, I really feel you deep down. The guy John is not really experienced or may be you put in a corner of tight budget. I am not a fan of prag because they have worse customer service even the people we know on this forum that are dealers to the company are not really better off, so I am not advertising for them. But I have that type of inverter before, and I really enjoyed it. It is very rugged. Please don't sell that baby, keep it since you are not running AC, it will still serve you. I used pressing iron on my phone even used it to pump about 0.5*hp pumping machine and the baby would only show one bar load indicator and the maximum it has ever shown was two bar when I pump and even put about 350w sfl611 scanfrost two door deep freezer. The problem is that you are not getting enough juice to replenish your power usage. If you are your using system in day, that ROY guy is very stupid, there is no way it can cope with your usage and still charge your batteries on just the three panels 900w that we are not even sure of how much is getting down.

My advice is to get mppt, just close eyes buy may be fangpusun 60a or 80a depending on your pocket, then be on look out for anyone here that want to sell fairly used batteries, before you are strong enough to buy new ones.

solibayo:


many thanks.

this guy is a fraud..no 2 way about it. he can't even produce receipts and has stopped responding to my messages

am almost sure he installed refurbished or fake items.

last we spoke b4 he stopped responding...he's telling me he can't return the batteries as they gave him only 2 wks to return.. batteries that are not even yet 6 months old as of today july 25 and they failed completely since late may

he's a fraudster

his name is john....no is 07069331631

has a jiji page that he uses to scam ppl

https://kintrojohnservices dot jiji dot ng

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