viscerion:


ill ask a simple question, no dodging or avoiding the question just answer. Are Urhobos and Isokos of the same ethnic group?

Answer to your question Yes and no

Yes, depending on your definition of what constitutes ethnicity.

NO, depending on your definition or what constitutes ethnicity.

If you want I can elaborate but you said i should just answer the question.

magicjack:


from what youve said, all of us originated from adam n eve, does that then make all of us are jews or whatever race adam was?

Depends on what you are looking for when you take the genetic test. If you want us to trace you back to your earliest Ancestor, they can do that as well

viscerion:


Did mine too, results say 100% ikwerre, no atom of igbo in our generation, that means ikwerre is originally as far from Igbo as hausa and indian. So the everlasting questions "are ikwerres igbo?" the answer is "NOOOOOO!"

Please provide the result for us to see.

magicjack:


my family n i went for DNA test this morning, and there is 0% igbo in our blood. Problem Solved!

Problem isn't solved yet until you post your 'results' for us to see, and the DNA company that performed the test.

magicjack:


"my name is amadi but i nor be Igbo" there is nothing wrong with that statement because God did not create amadi solely for igbos. the ikas in agbor have enough similarities with bini for edo to claim, infact some people call them edo, but since igbo is the bigger tribe, they are the ones hammering on their claim, bringing unrelated points. This is the problem of Nigeria's big three, their domineering nature, thinking all the other minorities tribes are under them,

Abeg tell them to come to SS, and see 5 diff tribes speaking same language but other aspects of their culture clearly shows they are diff tribes

There is something wrong with it except amadi holds a different meaning for both bearers.

mabea:
There is something wrong with it except amadi holds a different meaning for both bearers.

so we in SS dat diff tribes answer name with some meaning are we wrong human beings

morpheus24:



Answer to your question Yes and no

Yes, depending on your definition of what constitutes ethnicity.

NO, depending on your definition or what constitutes ethnicity.

If you want I can elaborate but you said i should just answer the question.

dah means ikwerre can be igbo or non igbo dependa on ones definition, since most tribes define ikwerre as non igbo, majority carry d vote

bigfrancis21:

Please provide the result for us to see.

rat done chop am o

magicjack:


dah means ikwerre can be igbo or non igbo dependa on ones definition, since most tribes define ikwerre as non igbo, majority carry d vote

You had no idea by what I meant by the statement, did you?

You are talking about self determination which is subjective, White Americans are a tribe, clan or ethnic group of the larger european gene pool, They do not deny their origins nor fabricate history. They can confirm it any day just by a simple DNA test.

Ikwerre can self determine and become anything they wish to, I am not against that but in order to settle the matter of possible farbrications or distortions of origins or connnections to a group they seem to share numerous similarities, please tell your people to take a simple DNA TEST, if they cluster with Edo people then problem solved.

DNA DOES NOT LIE!!!!

morpheus24:


You had no idea by what I meant by the statement, did you?

You are talking about self determination which is subjective, White Americans are a tribe, clan or ethnic group of the larger european gene pool, They do not deny their origins nor fabricate history. They can confirm it any day just by a simple DNA test.

Ikwerre can self determine and become anything they wish to, I am not against that but in order to settle the matter of possible farbrications or distortions of origins or connnections to a group they seem to share numerous similarities, please tell your people to take a simple DNA TEST, if they cluster with Edo people then problem solved.

DNA DOES NOT LIE!!!!

so from your logic, nigeria is a tribe of a larger african pool

morpheus24:


You had no idea by what I meant by the statement, did you?

You are talking about self determination which is subjective, White Americans are a tribe, clan or ethnic group of the larger european gene pool, They do not deny their origins nor fabricate history. They can confirm it any day just by a simple DNA test.

Ikwerre can self determine and become anything they wish to, I am not against that but in order to settle the matter of possible farbrications or distortions of origins or connnections to a group they seem to share numerous similarities, please tell your people to take a simple DNA TEST, if they cluster with Edo people then problem solved.

DNA DOES NOT LIE!!!!

weve done the DNA o, ikwerre cluster with india

magicjack:


so from your logic, nigeria is a tribe of a larger african pool

Technically Nigerians are an ethnic group with "collective ties" that differentiate them from the larger African population, so Yes,

viscerion:


weve done the DNA o, ikwerre cluster with india

Where the results nah, no be for mouth.


You no fit produce am so your arguments have been reduced to heresay

Please you guys shouldn't have given these trouble shooters attention. Nobody is forcing you all to be Igbos.

What has Ikwerre people contributed to the growth and prominence of Igbo people? You guys are inconsequential and at most minus one.

We Igbos know the stuff we are made of. We are already overpopulated, well educated and successful in everything we do.

Ikwerres go on being Ikwerres oooooo.

Leave us alone biko.

Being Igbo is a consciousness, a conviction, a seal.
Igbo Esika,
Igbo Erika,
Igbo Amaka!

Who even knows the Ikwerres sef? They will just be regurgitating this tosh to feel fly.
Mention prominent people that have impacted the world from Ikwerre.
Igbos are not your mates.
Just comfortably enjoy your freedom and leave us the hell alone.
Ndi nzuzus everywhere.

It is clear that the op is seeking attention, even if ikwerre people take a DNA test and the result shows that they are igbos, it still changes nothing cuz in my eyes and heart, they are not.

Tushkito:
It is clear that the op is seeking attention, even if ikwerre people take a DNA test and the result shows that they are igbos, it still changes nothing cuz in my eyes and heart, they are not.

As in ehh. We no even send them. Ndi ala everywhere. They could as well say they are from Sambisa, that's their fucking business.
Ikwerres are not Igbos.
We have been saying that overtime. They should stop using us to play to the gallery.

They are minorities. They should gladly accept the status quo and stop using us to illuminate their obscure group. Mtcheww!

Chinachriss:


As in ehh. We no even send them. Ndi ala everywhere. They could as well say they are from Sambisa, that's their fucking business.
Ikwerres are not Igbos.
We have been saying that overtime. They should stop using us to play to the gallery.

They are minorities. They should gladly accept the status quo and stop using us to illuminate their obscure group. Mtcheww!

ikwerre are minorities, ikwerre are lazy, ikwerre are anyhow, ikwerre are this n that, yet all d igbo big cities, non are near the level of ikwerre n ijaws' port harcourt

morpheus24:


Technically Nigerians are an ethnic group with "collective ties" that differentiate them from the larger African population, so Yes,

so if nigeria is a tribe, why do we have igbo, hausa n yoruba as diff tribes, u c how u ve confused ursef, answer simple question "are urhobo n isoko the same tribe?, yes or no" u r saying it depends on dis one n dat one, if u dont know something dont use big english to package ur wrongness

morpheus24:


Where the results nah, no be for mouth.


You no fit produce am so your arguments have been reduced to heresay

if u come ph, we paste the result for rumuokoro n mile 1 junction say"ikwerre nor b igbo o"

viscerion:


ikwerre are minorities, ikwerre are lazy, ikwerre are anyhow, ikwerre are this n that, yet all d igbo big cities, non are near the level of ikwerre n ijaws' port harcourt

Look at this one. Who even developed the Port Harcourt? Igbos are still in control. We still run things.

Enugu, Owerri, Onitsha best Port Harcourt any time any day.

viscerion:


so if nigeria is a tribe, why do we have igbo, hausa n yoruba as diff tribes, u c how u ve confused ursef, answer simple question "are urhobo n isoko the same tribe?, yes or no" u r saying it depends on dis one n dat one, if u dont know something dont use big english to package ur wrongness

Look up the "definition" of what a tribe is and come back and read my responses again, simply because you understand the "meaning" of the word in its contemporary use, doesn't mean it cannot be argued to mean something else based on the "definition" of the word.

If I am making you think too hard then just forget about it, it means you like things simple. There is a reason I used the word "technically" in the earlier statement I made but please let's not go off topic.

Keep telling us how you "know " for sure that Ikwerre are not Igbo.

Ikwerre is Ikwerre. Ikwerre is not Igbo.

Can this argument end already?

pazienza:
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. Ikwerre is not Igbo.

Can this argument end already?

The argument ended when the OP could not produce substantial evidence of any kind other than old folk tales and some gibberish about what constitutes a tribe.

Your Honor, the prosecution rests!

morpheus24:


The argument ended when the OP could not produce substantial evidence of any kind other than old folk tales and some gibberish about what constitutes a tribe.

Your Honor, the prosecution rests!

Well, the people of Austria and Germany speak the same language, yet an Austrian will never accept being called a German.
A people are who they want to and claim to be. You can't do anything about it.
What I don't like is a situation where it would seem like Ndiigbo are wooing or forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, thereby inflating their(Ikwerre) egos.

Ikwerre people have continiously insisted they are not Igbo, unanimously. This is the position of apex Ikwerre socio-cultural organization called Ogbakor Ikwerre.

There are native German speaking clans scattered all over Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, even France. Yet you don't see Germany losing sleep over these groups not wanting to be part of Germany, this is so because, the people of Germany has so much developed Germany to dizzy heights, that addition or non addition of these groups to Germany has become inconsequential.

Ikwerre is just 3 and half LGA, Ph city is their only Big city, yet they share it with the ambitious Ijaws. Ikwerre has no direct access to the Atlantic, their lands are not particularly "too" rich in crude oil. Ikwerre is not exactly known for producing high number of world standard human resources.
I don't see anything special they would bring to the rest of Igbo nation to warrant this endless argument about their identity.

They say they are not Igbo, it's their right to be whatever they want, and Ndiigbo must stop dragging the issue, as it's becoming embarrassing.

pazienza:


Well, the people of Austria and Germany speak the same language, yet an Austrian will never accept being called a German.
A people are who they want to and claim to be. You can't do anything about it.
What I don't like is a situation where it would seem like Ndiigbo are wooing or forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, thereby inflating their(Ikwerre) egos.

Ikwerre people have continiously insisted they are not Igbo, unanimously. This is the position of apex Ikwerre socio-cultural organization called Ogbakor Ikwerre.

There are native German speaking clans scattered all over Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, even France. Yet you don't see Germany losing sleep over these groups not wanting to be part of Germany, this is so because, the people of Germany has so much developed Germany to dizzy heights, that addition of non addition of these groups to Germany has become inconsequential.

Ikwerre is just 3 and half LGA, Ph city, they share with the ambitious Ijaws. Ikwerre has no direct access to the Atlantic, their lands are not particularly "too"oil rich. Ikwerre is not exactly known for producing high number of world standard human resources.
I don't see anything special they would bring to the rest of Igbo nation to warrant this endless argument about their identity.

They say they are not Igbo, it's their right to be whatever they want, and Ndiigbo must stop dragging the issue, as it's becoming embarrassing.

Awesome and that is the case



Ikwerre is made up of touts and funny folks

pazienza:


Well, the people of Austria and Germany speak the same language, yet an Austrian will never accept being called a German.
A people are who they want to and claim to be. You can't do anything about it.
What I don't like is a situation where it would seem like Ndiigbo are wooing or forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, thereby inflating their(Ikwerre) egos.

Ikwerre people have continiously insisted they are not Igbo, unanimously. This is the position of apex Ikwerre socio-cultural organization called Ogbakor Ikwerre.

There are native German speaking clans scattered all over Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, even France. Yet you don't see Germany losing sleep over these groups not wanting to be part of Germany, this is so because, the people of Germany has so much developed Germany to dizzy heights, that addition or non addition of these groups to Germany has become inconsequential.

Ikwerre is just 3 and half LGA, Ph city is their only Big city, yet they share it with the ambitious Ijaws. Ikwerre has no direct access to the Atlantic, their lands are not particularly "too" rich in crude oil. Ikwerre is not exactly known for producing high number of world standard human resources.
I don't see anything special they would bring to the rest of Igbo nation to warrant this endless argument about their identity.

They say they are not Igbo, it's their right to be whatever they want, and Ndiigbo must stop dragging the issue, as it's becoming embarrassing.

YAWN!!!!

same dribble.

The question for me has never been about self determination. You are free to self determine or self actualize.

The question for me is about the possible fabrications of peoples origins for socio political purposes.

Self determination that is based on lies is a LIE in and of itself.


If you started off as "Ikwerre" and have no genetic ties to the Igbo of the South east( The linguistic ties are undeniable) then take the genetic test and end this merry-go- round. If Yoruba man test he will know, if Hausa man test he will know, if Fulani test he will know, if Zulu man test him self go know.

Ps, the example you used is horrible. Germanic tribes remain Germanic tribes whether they exist in Germany itself, Switzerland, Italy or Austria. Genealogy, genetics, language and culture points to that. No fabrications.

morpheus24:


The argument ended when the OP could not produce substantial evidence of any kind other than old folk tales and some gibberish about what constitutes a tribe.

Your Honor, the prosecution rests!

n what hard proof do igbos have to backup their own claim if i may ask

morpheus24:


Look up the "definition" of what a tribe is and come back and read my responses again, simply because you understand the "meaning" of the word in its contemporary use, doesn't mean it cannot be argued to mean something else based on the "definition" of the word.

If I am making you think too hard then just forget about it, it means you like things simple. There is a reason I used the word "technically" in the earlier statement I made but please let's not go off topic.

Keep telling us how you "know " for sure that Ikwerre are not Igbo.

dont think ure so smart, smart guyz neva brag, thing is i ask a simple question but since u want to complicate it let me help you,

u may or may not know that the grouping of people in nigeria in tribes is based on the convention definition of a tribe according to the average nigerian logic, now since dat definition is wat created d yoruba, igbo n oda groups distinction, my question was based on this conventional definition and not on a technical term (which can have an endless range of universal definitions depending on the relativity of the people in question) now according to nigerian convention urhobo n isoko are diff tribes despite relative closeness as seen by outsiders (anyone who doesnt know dis is not well informed bout our constitution n d people from dis tribes,) now if despite strong similarities both groups r differentiated, then ikwerre n igbo (which dont not even ve as much resemblance as urhobo n isoko) based on same normal logic are not the same tribe, any technical definition dat makes igbo n ikwerre d same tribe also makes igbo n yoruba d same tribe.

hope u were smart enough to understand

Chinachriss:


Look at this one. Who even developed the Port Harcourt? Igbos are still in control. We still run things.

Enugu, Owerri, Onitsha best Port Harcourt any time any day.

Igbo in control of Ph, 1st lie

Enugu, owerri, onitsha better than Ph, 2nd bigger lie

Ph was developed by d oil money from ph, bcuz den in eastern nigeria, the current SS cities didnt get attention lyk d SE cities, enugu was d best then in 1970, but since rivers left dat marriage ph has overtaken it n oda SE cities by far

To each his/her own

viscerion:


dont think ure so smart, smart guyz neva brag, thing is i ask a simple question but since u want to complicate it let me help you,

u may or may not know that the grouping of people in nigeria in tribes is based on the convention definition of a tribe according to the average nigerian logic, now since dat definition is wat created d yoruba, igbo n oda groups distinction, my question was based on this conventional definition and not on a technical term (which can have an endless range of universal definitions depending on the relativity of the people in question) now according to nigerian convention urhobo n isoko are diff tribes despite relative closeness as seen by outsiders (anyone who doesnt know dis is not well informed bout our constitution n d people from dis tribes,) now if despite strong similarities both groups r differentiated, then ikwerre n igbo (which dont not even ve as much resemblance as urhobo n isoko) based on same normal logic are not the same tribe, any technical definition dat makes igbo n ikwerre d same tribe also makes igbo n yoruba d same tribe.

hope u were smart enough to understand

1.If you are some how trying to use the isoko-urhobo( who are basically the same people) dynamics to compare the Ikwerre-Igbo situation then you are pretty much admitting that the latter are the same people but self identify as two different "tribes".

2.the isoko-urhobo would pass the geneaological, cultural, linguistic and genetics tests because they did not fabricate their origins, they simply self determined and two different distinct tribes emerged who's language and cultural practices are pretty much the same. This is not novel as many groups in Africa have done so, the Zulu-Swati are one such group, the Basotho-Batswana are another , The Nyasa-Shona another. This as you know is not the case with the Ikwerre- Igbo dilemma.

3. In the ikwerre-Igbo arguement the genealogical, cultural and linguistict tests are all in contention because they are subjective and can be manipulated. The only objective test we are left with is the genetics.

No matter how much you try to dance or hide behind labels like "tribe" and the likes whose conventional meanings are quite fluid, it is quite easy for your people to end this merry go round but you will not advocate for that because you are terrified that you might find out something deep inside you already knew.

pazienza:


Well, the people of Austria and Germany speak the same language, yet an Austrian will never accept being called a German.
A people are who they want to and claim to be. You can't do anything about it.
What I don't like is a situation where it would seem like Ndiigbo are wooing or forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, thereby inflating their(Ikwerre) egos.

Ikwerre people have continiously insisted they are not Igbo, unanimously. This is the position of apex Ikwerre socio-cultural organization called Ogbakor Ikwerre.

There are native German speaking clans scattered all over Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, even France. Yet you don't see Germany losing sleep over these groups not wanting to be part of Germany, this is so because, the people of Germany has so much developed Germany to dizzy heights, that addition or non addition of these groups to Germany has become inconsequential.

Ikwerre is just 3 and half LGA, Ph city is their only Big city, yet they share it with the ambitious Ijaws. Ikwerre has no direct access to the Atlantic, their lands are not particularly "too" rich in crude oil. Ikwerre is not exactly known for producing high number of world standard human resources.
I don't see anything special they would bring to the rest of Igbo nation to warrant this endless argument about their identity.

They say they are not Igbo, it's their right to be whatever they want, and Ndiigbo must stop dragging the issue, as it's becoming embarrassing.

Bro, the German-speaking people outside Germany are not referred to as 'German' because the word itself nowadays first refers to someone from germany. But linguistically, they speak German and are regarded as 'ethnic german', as in being of the same ethnicity as those from Germany.

Even till date, the English language is still referred to as a west-germanic language, despite being a totally different language from German. But English people (from England) are not regarded as 'ethnic germans' because they speak a different language and practice a different culture.