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Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 4:35pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
viscerion: Answer to your question Yes and no Yes, depending on your definition of what constitutes ethnicity. NO, depending on your definition or what constitutes ethnicity. If you want I can elaborate but you said i should just answer the question. |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 4:38pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
magicjack: Depends on what you are looking for when you take the genetic test. If you want us to trace you back to your earliest Ancestor, they can do that as well |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by bigfrancis21: 7:06pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
viscerion: Please provide the result for us to see. 2 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by bigfrancis21: 7:08pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
magicjack: Problem isn't solved yet until you post your 'results' for us to see, and the DNA company that performed the test. 2 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by mabea: 8:10pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
magicjack:There is something wrong with it except amadi holds a different meaning for both bearers. |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by magicjack: 8:33pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
mabea: so we in SS dat diff tribes answer name with some meaning are we wrong human beings |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by magicjack: 8:39pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
morpheus24: dah means ikwerre can be igbo or non igbo dependa on ones definition, since most tribes define ikwerre as non igbo, majority carry d vote |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by magicjack: 8:41pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
bigfrancis21:rat done chop am o |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 9:03pm On Oct 14, 2018 |
magicjack: You had no idea by what I meant by the statement, did you? You are talking about self determination which is subjective, White Americans are a tribe, clan or ethnic group of the larger european gene pool, They do not deny their origins nor fabricate history. They can confirm it any day just by a simple DNA test. Ikwerre can self determine and become anything they wish to, I am not against that but in order to settle the matter of possible farbrications or distortions of origins or connnections to a group they seem to share numerous similarities, please tell your people to take a simple DNA TEST, if they cluster with Edo people then problem solved. DNA DOES NOT LIE!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by magicjack: 10:25am On Oct 15, 2018 |
morpheus24: so from your logic, nigeria is a tribe of a larger african pool |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 10:50am On Oct 15, 2018 |
morpheus24: weve done the DNA o, ikwerre cluster with india |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 3:28pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
magicjack: Technically Nigerians are an ethnic group with "collective ties" that differentiate them from the larger African population, so Yes, |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 3:30pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
viscerion: Where the results nah, no be for mouth. You no fit produce am so your arguments have been reduced to heresay 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by Chinachriss(m): 4:30pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Please you guys shouldn't have given these trouble shooters attention. Nobody is forcing you all to be Igbos. What has Ikwerre people contributed to the growth and prominence of Igbo people? You guys are inconsequential and at most minus one. We Igbos know the stuff we are made of. We are already overpopulated, well educated and successful in everything we do. Ikwerres go on being Ikwerres oooooo. Leave us alone biko. Being Igbo is a consciousness, a conviction, a seal. Igbo Esika, Igbo Erika, Igbo Amaka! Who even knows the Ikwerres sef? They will just be regurgitating this tosh to feel fly. Mention prominent people that have impacted the world from Ikwerre. Igbos are not your mates. Just comfortably enjoy your freedom and leave us the hell alone. Ndi nzuzus everywhere. 4 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by Nobody: 4:31pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
It is clear that the op is seeking attention, even if ikwerre people take a DNA test and the result shows that they are igbos, it still changes nothing cuz in my eyes and heart, they are not. 3 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by Chinachriss(m): 4:40pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Tushkito: As in ehh. We no even send them. Ndi ala everywhere. They could as well say they are from Sambisa, that's their fucking business. Ikwerres are not Igbos. We have been saying that overtime. They should stop using us to play to the gallery. They are minorities. They should gladly accept the status quo and stop using us to illuminate their obscure group. Mtcheww! 2 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 6:22pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Chinachriss: ikwerre are minorities, ikwerre are lazy, ikwerre are anyhow, ikwerre are this n that, yet all d igbo big cities, non are near the level of ikwerre n ijaws' port harcourt 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 6:30pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
morpheus24: so if nigeria is a tribe, why do we have igbo, hausa n yoruba as diff tribes, u c how u ve confused ursef, answer simple question "are urhobo n isoko the same tribe?, yes or no" u r saying it depends on dis one n dat one, if u dont know something dont use big english to package ur wrongness |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 6:35pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
morpheus24: if u come ph, we paste the result for rumuokoro n mile 1 junction say"ikwerre nor b igbo o" |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by Chinachriss(m): 9:02pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
viscerion: Look at this one. Who even developed the Port Harcourt? Igbos are still in control. We still run things. Enugu, Owerri, Onitsha best Port Harcourt any time any day. 2 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 9:48pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
viscerion: Look up the "definition" of what a tribe is and come back and read my responses again, simply because you understand the "meaning" of the word in its contemporary use, doesn't mean it cannot be argued to mean something else based on the "definition" of the word. If I am making you think too hard then just forget about it, it means you like things simple. There is a reason I used the word "technically" in the earlier statement I made but please let's not go off topic. Keep telling us how you "know " for sure that Ikwerre are not Igbo. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by pazienza(m): 9:55pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. Ikwerre is not Igbo. Can this argument end already? 4 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 10:06pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
pazienza: The argument ended when the OP could not produce substantial evidence of any kind other than old folk tales and some gibberish about what constitutes a tribe. Your Honor, the prosecution rests! 3 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by pazienza(m): 10:35pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
morpheus24: Well, the people of Austria and Germany speak the same language, yet an Austrian will never accept being called a German. A people are who they want to and claim to be. You can't do anything about it. What I don't like is a situation where it would seem like Ndiigbo are wooing or forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, thereby inflating their(Ikwerre) egos. Ikwerre people have continiously insisted they are not Igbo, unanimously. This is the position of apex Ikwerre socio-cultural organization called Ogbakor Ikwerre. There are native German speaking clans scattered all over Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, even France. Yet you don't see Germany losing sleep over these groups not wanting to be part of Germany, this is so because, the people of Germany has so much developed Germany to dizzy heights, that addition or non addition of these groups to Germany has become inconsequential. Ikwerre is just 3 and half LGA, Ph city is their only Big city, yet they share it with the ambitious Ijaws. Ikwerre has no direct access to the Atlantic, their lands are not particularly "too" rich in crude oil. Ikwerre is not exactly known for producing high number of world standard human resources. I don't see anything special they would bring to the rest of Igbo nation to warrant this endless argument about their identity. They say they are not Igbo, it's their right to be whatever they want, and Ndiigbo must stop dragging the issue, as it's becoming embarrassing. 7 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by AmuDimpka: 10:39pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
pazienza: Awesome and that is the case Ikwerre is made up of touts and funny folks 3 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 11:22pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
pazienza: YAWN!!!! same dribble. The question for me has never been about self determination. You are free to self determine or self actualize. The question for me is about the possible fabrications of peoples origins for socio political purposes. Self determination that is based on lies is a LIE in and of itself. If you started off as "Ikwerre" and have no genetic ties to the Igbo of the South east( The linguistic ties are undeniable) then take the genetic test and end this merry-go- round. If Yoruba man test he will know, if Hausa man test he will know, if Fulani test he will know, if Zulu man test him self go know. Ps, the example you used is horrible. Germanic tribes remain Germanic tribes whether they exist in Germany itself, Switzerland, Italy or Austria. Genealogy, genetics, language and culture points to that. No fabrications. 2 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 12:22am On Oct 16, 2018 |
morpheus24: n what hard proof do igbos have to backup their own claim if i may ask |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 12:37am On Oct 16, 2018 |
morpheus24: dont think ure so smart, smart guyz neva brag, thing is i ask a simple question but since u want to complicate it let me help you, u may or may not know that the grouping of people in nigeria in tribes is based on the convention definition of a tribe according to the average nigerian logic, now since dat definition is wat created d yoruba, igbo n oda groups distinction, my question was based on this conventional definition and not on a technical term (which can have an endless range of universal definitions depending on the relativity of the people in question) now according to nigerian convention urhobo n isoko are diff tribes despite relative closeness as seen by outsiders (anyone who doesnt know dis is not well informed bout our constitution n d people from dis tribes,) now if despite strong similarities both groups r differentiated, then ikwerre n igbo (which dont not even ve as much resemblance as urhobo n isoko) based on same normal logic are not the same tribe, any technical definition dat makes igbo n ikwerre d same tribe also makes igbo n yoruba d same tribe. hope u were smart enough to understand |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by viscerion: 12:41am On Oct 16, 2018 |
Chinachriss: Igbo in control of Ph, 1st lie Enugu, owerri, onitsha better than Ph, 2nd bigger lie Ph was developed by d oil money from ph, bcuz den in eastern nigeria, the current SS cities didnt get attention lyk d SE cities, enugu was d best then in 1970, but since rivers left dat marriage ph has overtaken it n oda SE cities by far 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by AtaniWarrior: 12:50am On Oct 16, 2018 |
To each his/her own |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by morpheus24: 2:33am On Oct 16, 2018 |
viscerion: 1.If you are some how trying to use the isoko-urhobo( who are basically the same people) dynamics to compare the Ikwerre-Igbo situation then you are pretty much admitting that the latter are the same people but self identify as two different "tribes". 2.the isoko-urhobo would pass the geneaological, cultural, linguistic and genetics tests because they did not fabricate their origins, they simply self determined and two different distinct tribes emerged who's language and cultural practices are pretty much the same. This is not novel as many groups in Africa have done so, the Zulu-Swati are one such group, the Basotho-Batswana are another , The Nyasa-Shona another. This as you know is not the case with the Ikwerre- Igbo dilemma. 3. In the ikwerre-Igbo arguement the genealogical, cultural and linguistict tests are all in contention because they are subjective and can be manipulated. The only objective test we are left with is the genetics. No matter how much you try to dance or hide behind labels like "tribe" and the likes whose conventional meanings are quite fluid, it is quite easy for your people to end this merry go round but you will not advocate for that because you are terrified that you might find out something deep inside you already knew. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre Of Rivers, Ukwani And Ika Of Delta Are Not Igbo. Here Is Proof by bigfrancis21: 4:51am On Oct 16, 2018 |
pazienza: Bro, the German-speaking people outside Germany are not referred to as 'German' because the word itself nowadays first refers to someone from germany. But linguistically, they speak German and are regarded as 'ethnic german', as in being of the same ethnicity as those from Germany. Even till date, the English language is still referred to as a west-germanic language, despite being a totally different language from German. But English people (from England) are not regarded as 'ethnic germans' because they speak a different language and practice a different culture. 2 Likes |
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