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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by dejol88: 11:51am On Dec 19, 2018
English has no correlation with intelligence...
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 11:52am On Dec 19, 2018
VictorRomanov:



I agree with you within the context you mentioned. But inability to speak a language to atleast an average degree even when one has been taught the language is a sign that one is dull. English is taught in Nigerian schools from primary to secondary. So if a person has gone to primary and secondary school and has been taught English language adequately and still cannot speak it well to a reasonable degree then he is not intelligent.


After all learning a new language is linked to level of intelligence.
Bollocks
Most Nigerians speak more than one language and not necessarily English
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 11:52am On Dec 19, 2018
dejol88:
English has no correlation with intelligence...
The Russians made it to space with no English
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by dejol88: 11:53am On Dec 19, 2018
English has no correlation with intelligence...

It can never be juxtaposed..
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 11:54am On Dec 19, 2018
sandee575:
Generally speaking, a person's command of English as a second language is a pointer to their intelligence which in itself is defined simply as the ability to understand.
Here in Nigeria, I'm yet to come across a fluent English speaker who hasn't gone beyond language proficiency to impress me in other spheres of human endeavour.
I am surrounded by fluent English speakers. And most can’t boil water.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Modarun(m): 11:56am On Dec 19, 2018
anonymous96:
Seeing a lot of Messages about how there are a lot of countries that don't speak English nd does it mean they are dumb..What kinda argument is that? The Op is clearly referring to Nigeria where English is the Official Language.. You are not born with a language, it is learnt. So Speaking English as a Nigerian in a Country where English is the Official Language simply means you Learnt it. If u are Nigerian nd you went to primary nd secondary school, you should be able to speak and write in English. It simply means you Learnt in school. And being Capable of learning is Intelligence

I knw someone who isnt good with english but got a schoolarship to study applied physics in the United States. He did so well in Maths in his SAT exams but poor in English yet they recommended him for a scholarship. Swerve.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by pastie(m): 11:56am On Dec 19, 2018
TonyeBarcanista:

Were you taught tenses, grammar, comprehension, writing etc in your native language? NO

Was your organisation education done in your native language? NO

Is your native language the language of business in Nigeria? NO

So having terrible command of the English language is a pointer that the person isn't intelligent.

You are making sense in a different way, if I was born and brought up in the north doesn't mean my fluency in Hausa will transcend to English language.
I can dominate the north in my local way,
Intellegency is never an expression of dialect only, but how you can work things out
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MJBOLT: 11:58am On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:
I am surrounded by fluent English speakers. And most can’t boil water.

Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Antina(f): 11:58am On Dec 19, 2018
I will even say Education is not a measure of intelligence!!
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by dejol88: 11:59am On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:

The Russians made it to space with no English
I wish we can substitute English language as a medium of learning to our indigenous language.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:03pm On Dec 19, 2018
VictorRomanov:



I agree with you within the context you mentioned. But inability to speak a language to atleast an average degree even when one has been taught the language is a sign that one is dull. English is taught in Nigerian schools from primary to secondary. So if a person has gone to primary and secondary school and has been taught English language adequately and still cannot speak it well to a reasonable degree then he is not intelligent.


After all learning a new language is linked to level of intelligence.
My grandmother ( a retired obstetrician) speaks 7 languages fluently but her commmand of conversational English is not that brilliant
She is by far one of the most intelligent woman I know.
Albert Einstein was not proficient in English he struggled with learning lanaguages so not sure how you equate learning and speaking English to being intelligent.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by pastie(m): 12:05pm On Dec 19, 2018
twhy111:
English is just a language and should never be the yardstick to measure intelligency. But hey, in this case of this corper I'd gladly say she's unintelligent. If after all these years in school she cannot string good English together. Hers is very abysmal because I have intelligent friends who are not that fluent and you can still excuse them.
But this is way too much and if you say she's intelligent how did she graduate?
Who supervised her project in school?
How will cope with that kind of English self
Fada lawd!!!!!!!!!!
In other words, you mean to say only intelligent people go to schools.


modified: I apologized, I was high today, couldn't comprehend you initially.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by dejol88: 12:05pm On Dec 19, 2018
Antina:
I will even say Education is not a measure of intelligence!!
Yes, but education can improve Intelligence.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by damosade(m): 12:06pm On Dec 19, 2018
When does language equate to intelligence?
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:06pm On Dec 19, 2018
Antina:
I will even say Education is not a measure of intelligence!!
So right!
There are many educated nincompoops
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 12:07pm On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:

Being able to speak English is NOT a measure of intelligence. There are whole countries were English is not spoken at all and they have space programmes and very intelligent beings there. Thinking it is a measure of intelligence is a throw back to a colonial past that made us subservient to our own capabilities.

Let us focus on Nigeria where English language is taught as a subject right from nursery school and one of the major subjects you need to pass to gain admission into the university. Having said that, one can easily conclude that any graduate from a Nigerian university who cannot speak, read and write correctly must be full. They are the ones who always struggle in class.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Connecticut: 12:08pm On Dec 19, 2018
StylesX:
You don't understand me dear, i am the one disagreeing with the notion, i told her English is a measure of intelligence but she is disagreeing, maybe she can't speak English too.
Come to England and see how fluent and sweet their spoken Queen's English but 70% of them can't write correct English I am talking from experience. Kemi Adeosun speaks fluent English maybe than Ngozi Okonjoela,but do u want to tell me that she is good than Ngozi Okonjoela in any ramification of life? Fluent English does not means you are genius. English is just a language like Yoruba,Hausa and Igbo
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:08pm On Dec 19, 2018
JuanDeDios:

"English" is a metaphor for language here. The ability to acquire good spoken AND WRITTEN language skills is a mark of intelligence. But it only measures just one kind of intelligence - if you buy the theory of multiple intelligences.
OP was not metaphorically speaking so I am not going to adjust the post to make it more arguable.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 12:09pm On Dec 19, 2018
damosade:
When does language equate to intelligence?

When it is a prerequisite.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Nobody: 12:12pm On Dec 19, 2018
Connecticut:
Come to England and see how fluent and sweet their spoken Queen's English but 70% of them can't write correct English I am talking from experience. Kemi Adeosun speaks fluent English maybe than Ngozi Okonjoela,but do u want to tell me that she is good than Ngozi Okonjoela in any ramification of life? Fluent English does not means you are genius. English is just a language like Yoruba,Hausa and Igbo

You don't get it. It is not just about fluency, you have to know how to read and write correctly.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by 3kay945(m): 12:13pm On Dec 19, 2018
Biglittlelois:


I will overlook the insults and innuendos,

Now as you said, there are thousands of languges around the world, true, but i care less about them, the Chinese use an official language yes, but do you know they have different dialects? no you dont, but they agreed to use a particular one to make it official which worked for them till today.

In Nigeria, we have different languages, and some languages e.g. Yoruba, have different dialects, so please, school me if there is, but there is no language of ours that have words for codes and everything as you said, if you want us to start that, you can suggest it to FG to work on it, then they can decide on which language to use officially if other tribes will agree smiley


I am open to other valid points, but to me, English may not necessarily be an 100% measure for intelligence, but it takes a higher percentage of 80%.

Yea, I agree with you. Since English is our official language and uses in communication in schools and workplaces, you cannot say it any better.
Most intelligent people I come across are also sound in English though, they may not be big grammar freak like that man from Edo. cool

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:13pm On Dec 19, 2018
Modarun:


I knw someone who isnt good with english but got a schoolarship to study applied physics in the United States. He did so well in Maths in his SAT exams but poor in English yet they recommended him for a scholarship. Swerve.
Most of my medical colleagues from aboard struggle with the language but they are brilliant minds.
Colonisation makes you think the invaders language is superior to your own . I am aware of many native English speakers who have an atrocious command of the language I wish I could have subtitles to comprehend what it is they are saying.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Chukwuemeka007(m): 12:13pm On Dec 19, 2018
80% of peeps here got the OP wrong.

OP, your topic should've been:

"IS FLUENCY IN A LINGUA FRANCA A MEASURE OF INTELLIGENCE?"

A Russian, Chinese or French university or high school graduate is fluent in Russian, Mandarin or French. They have no business with English because they were not taught with it and it's not their lingua franca.

As a Nigerian, you can't pass through 6-3-3-4/5 (learning in English Language) and write/speak rubbish like the corps member did and be pardoned.

I'm not saying you should be 100% and "blow big grammar" just know your tenses, pronouns, sentence formation etc.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:15pm On Dec 19, 2018
3kay945:


Yea, I agree with you. Since English is our official language and uses in communication in schools and workplaces, you cannot say it any better.
Most intelligent people I come across are also sound in English though, they may not be big grammar freak like that man from Edo. cool
Do not tempt fate by mentioning him. It’s sad when someone spends that much effort trawling posts online so as to correct them. I like to give him work as that is what he clearly needs.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Ebbunwa(m): 12:16pm On Dec 19, 2018
When people learn to differentiate between being educated and intelligent, this will become clearer
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:17pm On Dec 19, 2018
Chukwuemeka007:
80% of peeps here got the OP wrong.

OP, your topic should've been:

"IS FLUENCY IN A LINGUA FRANCA A MEASURE OF INTELLIGENCE?"

A Russian, Chinese or French university or high school graduate is fluent in Russian, Mandarin or French. They have no business with English because they were not taught with it and it's not their lingua franca.

As a Nigerian, you can't pass through 6-3-3-4/5 and write/speak rubbish like the corps member did and be pardoned.
You are re-writing a post and injecting oodles of common sense. You know common sense has no business here right?
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:18pm On Dec 19, 2018
Ebbunwa:
When people learn to differentiate between being educated and intelligent, this will become clearer
In Nigeria where it’s the norm to handout business cards with numerous letters after the surname?
We live in hope!
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by JuanDeDios: 12:18pm On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:

OP was not metaphorically speaking so I am not going to adjust the post to make it more arguable.
It makes little sense otherwise. That's why people read between the lines. People who are native speakers of English still struggle with it at school - because it takes intelligence to master the intricacies of adverbs, concord and parallelism. It's the same issue with French or any language with a vast vocabulary and sophisticated grammar.

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Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:18pm On Dec 19, 2018
Xda59:


Let us focus on Nigeria where English language is taught as a subject right from nursery school and one of the major subjects you need to pass to gain admission into the university. Having said that, one can easily conclude that any graduate from a Nigerian university who cannot speak, read and write correctly must be full. They are the ones who always struggle in class.
I disagree.
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by MissRaine69(f): 12:20pm On Dec 19, 2018
JuanDeDios:

It makes little sense otherwise. That's why people read between the lines. People who are native speakers of English still struggle with it at school - because it takes intelligence to master the intricacies of adverbs, concord and parallelism. It's the same issue with French or any language with a vast vocabulary and sophisticated grammar.
Has that stopped those individuals from progressing because they have used were instead of where?
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Chukwuemeka007(m): 12:23pm On Dec 19, 2018
MissRaine69:

I disagree.

So you're saying there's no problem when a university graduate uses: Am for I'm, there for their, were for where, order for other, been for being, etc?

Come on! this is our official language. We've been schooled with it from elementary school to the university, we converse with it, etc
Re: Is Fluency In English Not Really A Measure Of Intelligence? by Dabiridamilare(m): 12:24pm On Dec 19, 2018
Adding to the debate, is there any difference in intelligence and brilliance.
I think psychologically there's a difference.
If we can sort out the meaning of these two words, then the argument will be resolved to some extent.

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