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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:29pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
HellVictorinho: I like your positive spin - has a lot of sense to it. My point really is that we are terribly religious to the detriment of our economics and abandonment of our culture. If you notice , many countries that are advanced have also retained their unique identity , cherished their history and promoted their own culture. And yes , there are many African progressives , most of who are outside the country;the question therefore is why , despite all our progressives and battalion of PHD holders including some who are in government , are we unable to do better, to improve the lot of our people and promote our own culture ?? Nigerians are some of the most educated people worldwide, yet they are unable to fix their country. They prefer to pray 24x7 and hope to god that things get better. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:35pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:35pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: You can say the same thing about Nigeria; Nigeria did not exist in antiquity but existed as independent collection of distinct civilisations that had existed for thousands of years. Saudi Arabia and many countries in the middle east retain and maintain the relics and artefacts of their past ,including when they practised paganism. These are there for the records, for reference to their historical achievements and for relevance in a modern world. I repeat, China is not a capitalist country, it practices a social market economic model You are the one that needs to read Wikipedia - lol |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:38pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
kiddoiLL:Unfortunately, one cannot leave them as their sort will just increase in number. When responding to their sort, just remember that other people are reading and learning too, and that you are building a people of power even if the person you respond to refuses to be part of it. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:44pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:A social market economic model that differs immensely from the feudalistic model it practised in antiquity, no doubt, built on communism which predates it! No one is suggesting anyone abandon its historical culture and artifacts or history! If you don't after all know where you are coming from, you can't be going anywhere. But to claim the likes of China or anywhere, for that matter, still practices it's ancient culture, is a gross misunderstanding of how cultures imbibe new ideas from foreign cultures and evolve! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
I also find it stupid for anyone to generalize with sordid certainty in stuff like this.We can only describe countries based on what we claim to know which might be insufficient but we shouldn't make stupid and unnecessary comparisons. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:48pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: Hmm, you are now off track. You don't practice a culture, you operate within a cultural framework. China's culture only adapts in a unique fashion as it is conducive to the betterment and advancement of its people. It does not embrace harmful elements of foreign cultures that are dangerous to its continued existence and progression. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 4:53pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:We are where we are because of where we were and unless WE decide to ACTUALLY improve on where we are,we will be where we are heading to in the future 1 Like |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:54pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:At least a flash of sense. Europe that brought us Christianity, has continued to evolve. Christianity was not its culture either at some point, as they too worshipped the likes of our gods of wind, thunder, iron, etc. They evolved past that and into Christianity because Yahweh proved superior to the likes of Zeus et al, and are evolving out of Christianity into the next era, while your op was that we go backwards into some glorious mythical past that hardly existed! "Fire fire in church", and mosques, too will die, or do you not hear we atheists slaughtering Yahweh left right and center and all over the place? Give us time, please, instead of trying to replace it with Sango, Oya and Ogun that only allowed us to be taken away as slaves! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by vaxx: 4:58pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:With this kind of mentality, africa will be stagnant or perhaps reversed back. Africa is not in anyway backward compare to the rest of the world, and stop reading that propaganda literature that is making you having a myopic veiw. In actuality, africa might not have attain what the west we call a developed society but she is catching up fast and may soon overtake the west. Though much need to be done. Currently, the west is jealous of the new social technology innovation in africa ( called mobile money ). They have invested so much into traditional banking , that they cannot adopt the system for now, as it will have a drastic effect on their economy. Ghana, kenya, Uganda are raking in and adding a lot of billons of dollars to their economy thru this new technology. Do you even know one of the Pioneer of fiber optic cable(your reasons for the fast internet speed) is a Ghanaian...""Thomas mensah"" There are progressive minds in africa, must of us here have a working idea of how to move the country forward. We only need progressive mind alikes to put us there, and africa shall work. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 5:05pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: Fear might make the dissapearance of religion impossible and care-less-ness might keep certain misdemeanors alive. 1 Like |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 5:08pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:Unfortunately, cultures hardly know if something is specifically dangerous to its continued existence and progression. China economically stagnated in the 16th century because it refused to allow any influences from outside to enter, yet, by the 18th century the likes of Adam Smith were claiming China to be one of the richest nations, that is, one of the most fertile, best cultivated, most industrious, most prosperous and most urbanized countries in the world. Only for it to decline again up till Mao's time, with a brief resurgence in the 1930s post Mao era, and its current one when it finally opened up in 1978! It is not so much culture per se, that is our problem in Africa, or parts of it at least. We are stuck in neo-Aristotelian which Europe was peddling when they encountered us and unlike Europe, have not moved forward into the scientific era that the Reformation brought about. But we are working on it. Going backwards is not the solution, going forward is, as history shows. 1 Like |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 5:13pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
HellVictorinho:Impossible! We are working way to hard, night and day and refuse to fail, I assure you. And whether people like it or not, we will educate their stupid fear out of them even if it just means replacing their fearful religion of things unseen with the religion of science of the seen and tested and confirmed. The darkness of ignorance will always hides when the light of knowledge shines on it! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 5:47pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
That stone is Christ Jesus Psalm 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. Daniel 2:34 King James Version (KJV) Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Just like UN is proposing to dim the sun to cover up for the real endtime dimming of the sun (Matthew 24:29) by God Almighty, the Brits are trying to use Brexit as excuse for the fall of the iron and clay kingdom of Europe. But it's Jesus Christ who'll shatter all earthly kingdoms and rule over all the earth forever. HALLELUJAH I pity for those who don't see all the truth written in this great book, THE BIBLE. They'll realise too late. What's written is written and can't be altered. hahaha Read my recent posts https://www.nairaland.com/4902959/gods-true-revelation-beast-all#74051203 Mystery Babylon is Africa. (Revelation 17 & 18 ARE YOU READY?? FEAR GOD! OpenYourEyes1: |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by kkins25(m): 6:42pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
vaxx:truer words have noever been spoken.. this is cure africa needs. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by kkins25(m): 7:03pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
yes, it would be unjust to say africa is drowning in backwardness. some countries in Her are making remarkable progress towards modernization. countries like uganda, et al., are moving forward at a steady pace. north western African countries are moving in reverse, still adhereing to ancient lifestyle and culture that has left them hanging by a thread over vast quick sand. All eyes are on Nigeria because of its verbose resources which have been untapped or misused or not even discovered yet. For Nigeria, several factors play a role in its stagnation; a notorious one being Religion. I copied a post from nairaland and pasted on my fb timeline which made good points to address the over indulgence in religious activities. a few commended the post and the lot threw insults or arguments on "existence of God" which wasn't even the aim of the OP. Nigerians lack vision (there are a few who do but overshadowed). We invest too much time in religion. We are waiting for God to do everything, I mean everything. the invasion by europeans may have been a blessing in disguise but we refuse to seize the opportunity. ghana is doing good, they are also very religious and as time goes on I fear they would end up in the same pit Nigeria dug for herself. we need to free the sheepie.. we need to educate them as budaatum has said about religion and its limits 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 7:12pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
kkins25: Blessing in disguise ? Are you serious ? Millions dead due to slavery and colonialism and many more millions dead as a result of European policy towards Africa . What a Joke. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by kkins25(m): 7:24pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:which land hasn't suffered the pestilence of war? asians, native Americans all gnashed their teeths to the drums of war beaten by the might europeans. millions of asians were killed but take a look at asian countries now. they all moved forward despite the unbearable pain. whats stopping nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 7:30pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:No! Millions dead due to Africans ignorance! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 7:41pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: Ignorance par excellence. Millions dead due to exploitation and the cunning craftiness of the Europeans who used the African's generosity as an advantage to use and abuse him. Still going on today in different forms. What a silly crazy statement. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 7:44pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
kkins25: Go and read history, the native Indians NEVER recovered from the genocide committed against them. Their population has dwindled, language and culture almost wiped out and the remaining natives are kept in reserves to this day. Funny thing is , the government now wants to start fracking on some of these reserves that were carved out for the natives. Many Indians will tell you today as they tell me , that their country has never truly recovered to this day, so what on earth are you rambling about ? 1 Like |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 7:47pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:"Cunning craftiness", that is greater than your own ignorance which allowed you to be exploited! You yourself noted how China is not subject to that sort of stupidity! You continue thinking the way you do hoping the Europeans will suddenly become less cunningly crafty while you go on being exploited, and in a 1000 years time we'll measure who's more silly, crazy, ignorant and abused! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 7:50pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: Silly analogy, the Chinese were indeed exploited and suffered immeasurably for the same reasons. What stops Europe from messing with China today is their military prowess including the possession of nuclear weapons. It is ignorant and inconsiderate to make a foolishness statement as you did , considering that many many lives have been impacted and continue to be impacted by the actions of the past. Think before you talk. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 7:58pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:Really? So why are you not thinking before you talk and suggest we develop prowess like China did and stop the exploiters, instead of continuing with the ignorance of the past hoping exploiters become less crafty cunning and exploitative? |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 8:02pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
budaatum: Ignorance is caused by superstition and mythical religion. Back to square 1 |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 8:09pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
frosbel2:Stop digressing! Whatever the cause of ignorance is is at this stage of the conversation irrelevant! I am accusing you of asking us to to remain ignorant so that crafty cunning people can continue to exploit us! Do you see my point or not?! |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by kkins25(m): 12:53am On Dec 29, 2018 |
frosbel2: yeah many indians indeed, when did you become mr indiana jones.. so the advance tech in india na weytin? regression? if they were as developed as the europeans they wouldn't have needed to worry about a dwindling society. if the europeans hadn't, some other nation would. its better europe than arabia.. even isreal has played her own part in the spread of war. if the jews could recover from the holocaust, then what the fück is stopping Nigeria? 1 Like |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 1:02am On Dec 29, 2018 |
kkins25:Advanced tech in India doesn't make India overly superior to Nigeria in all ramifications.How much of India do you really know? |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 3:58am On Dec 29, 2018 |
Io |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by kkins25(m): 10:43am On Dec 29, 2018 |
HellVictorinho: Sentiments. adios. |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 1:39pm On Dec 29, 2018 |
kkins25: I just stated a fact then I asked a question |
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Nobody: 2:27pm On Dec 29, 2018 |
budaatum: Actually it is relevant. Again , the crux of my argument is that these myths and superstitions have beclouded our judgement, affected progress in Africa and made it difficult to make advancements in science, politics, economics and technology. We focus so much on 'heaven' and 'hell' and care not one iota for what will happen to our environment in the future and the well being of our children when we leave this earth. That is backward thinking caused by religions indoctrination. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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