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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 1:01pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
No matter how they present Jesus to their followers is not the business of any other group!
They claimed that Jesus is their leader and that all what they're preaching and teaching is from Jesus. What intelligent individuals will be concerned about is how their conduct and that of their followers turn out to be! Matthew 7:15-20
Whether they say Jesus is their gardener or cleaner is not my own business Sir, my main concern is the fruit that Jesus said will be noticed to identify his followers!
The man Jesus is one single Character and he warned that their will be many false representatives claiming they're his followers referring to him as 'Lord' Matthew 7:21-23
So to the best of my own understanding, Christianity is just one group 'Jehovah's Witnesses' any other religion can't be Christian if one is claiming that they're the only Christian group!
If they're not then there must be another single group representing true Christianity. I strongly believe JWs is the one and only Christian group worldwide so if you disagree with that just point to the one you've discovered to be that one and only group, otherwise you've got NOTHING tangible to say! wink

God's word the Bible says! Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Are you saying it shouldn't matter if a religion doesn't present that to his followers?

Are you saying that if a religion claiming to represent Jesus says to their followers and the rest of mankind, "Jesus is not your mediator" or that "Jesus mediates for only a few selected people", that it should not matter or concern me?

Would you also say such representation of Jesus to their followers is also from Jesus?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 1:04pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
That's the true FEELING of someone searching for the TRUTH!
Paul left Judaism [a group] for Christianity [another group] but if you can't present a better group than the one you formerly associate with now, then you've done nothing worth considering or emulating Sir! wink

You are looking for a group. When we are done, I will present to you something, someone... Untill then, let's keep analyzing and reasoning together
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 1:05pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
I think it is stupid because there is nowhere the first Century Christians asked this question from any new convert in the Bible, not to talk of a person zealously and industriously preaching and teaching in all his neighbourhood here in Nigeria what he learnt about Jesus of Nazareth from Israel! undecided
If thoroughly considered, it is certainly a very very STUPID question Sir! undecided
You've asked him an interesting question, he kept ignoring but insisting JWs answer his stupid questions that's of no relevance in the scriptures.
If he refuse to answer your question on which group he knew today representing Jesus who said he is the way, truth and life, and further said there will be many false prophets misleading many. Of course there should a group one can associate with for further enlightenment, encouragement and spiritual progress as a Christian. If he can't answer that simple and straightforward question then he doesn't worth examining what other zealous, dedicated, industrious and shrewd believers accept or reject! undecided undecided undecided
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 1:08pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
I think it is stupid because there is nowhere the first Century Christians asked this question from any new convert in the Bible, not to talk of a person zealously and industriously preaching and teaching in all his neighbourhood here in Nigeria what he learnt about Jesus of Nazareth from Israel! undecided
If thoroughly considered, it is certainly a very very STUPID question Sir! undecided

Have you accepted Jesus Christ as lord in your life?
Do you accept Jesus as the sacrifice God gave to save you?
Do you believe Jesus blood can save you?
Do you accept Jesus as the way, the truth and the life? Do you accept Jesus as your mediator?


All the above questions are there for you to respond to. If you feel they are stupid, simply say so and call it so and reject answering them... For record purposes, these questions will serve as a judgement against you.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 1:18pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


God's word the Bible says! Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Are you saying it shouldn't matter if a religion doesn't present that to his followers?

Are you saying that if a religion claiming to represent says to their followers and the rest of mankind, "Jesus is not your mediator" or that "Jesus mediates for only a few selected people", that it should not matter or concern me?

Would you also say such representation of Jesus to their followers is also from Jesus?

Did Jesus say we should be concerned with what a group says about him?
Well learn from him at Matthew 16, he asked a question on what the people perceived about him, many thoughts and ideas came up, Jesus asked his own close associates what they think of him and Peter answered. Jesus commended Peter but take note of one thing, Jesus never condemned what others thought about him! He warned them not to reveal what they thought of him,so is it what you say about him or how you're able to imitate his thoughts, words and actions that really matters?
Any religion can claim to be the one and only group representing Jesus Sir, what matters to intelligent individuals is how far they are able to help their members EXERCISE faith in what the Bible teaches about Jesus and his kingdom. Not just giving all sort of titles to Jesus whereas there is nothing worth praising in their movement! wink
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 1:25pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
Did Jesus say we should be concerned with what a group says about him?
Well learn from him at Matthew 16, he asked a question on what the people perceived about him, many thoughts and ideas came up, Jesus asked his own close associates what they think of him and Peter answered. Jesus commended Peter but take note of one thing, Jesus never condemned what others thought about him! He warned them not to reveal what they thought of him,so is it what you say about him or how you're able to imitate his thoughts, words and actions that really matters?
Any religion can claim to be the one and only group representing Jesus Sir, what matters to intelligent individuals is how far they are able to help their members EXERCISE faith in what the Bible teaches about Jesus and his kingdom. Not just giving all sort of titles to Jesus whereas there is nothing worth praising in their movement! wink

Do you exercise faith in Jesus that he is your mediator? Do you teach other to do the same?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 1:47pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


Have you accepted Jesus Christ as lord in your life?
Do you accept Jesus as the sacrifice God gave to save you?
Do you believe Jesus blood can save you?
Do you accept Jesus as the way, the truth and the life? Do you accept Jesus as your mediator?


All the above questions are there for you to respond to. If you feel they are stupid, simply say so and call it so and reject answering them... For record purposes, these questions will serve as a judgement against you.
Mr Judge grin
So people will be judge by their response to your questions, NOT by their works anymore! Romans 2:6 Lamentations 3:64, Revelations 20:13
OK i hear you Sir! cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 2:06pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


Do you exercise faith in Jesus that he is your mediator? Do you teach other to do the same?
Your honour , i don't feel obliged to respond to your stupid questions Sir!
So am i also permitted to know the verdict like Maximus just got his own? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 2:12pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
Mr Judge grin
So people will be judge by their response to your questions, NOT by their works anymore! Romans 2:6 Lamentations 3:64, Revelations 20:13
OK i hear you Sir! cheesy
Actually, it not a response to my question. But it is an expression of their faith. An expression of their faith.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 2:12pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
Mr Judge grin
So people will be judge by their response to your questions, NOT by their works anymore! Romans 2:6 Lamentations 3:64, Revelations 20:13
OK i hear you Sir! cheesy
You know one funny thing Maximus, i just discovered that Satan is teaching all of them the same thing!
In Islam we were taught to believe that after death or judgement as confused as they are, questions will be asked on what you believe or disbelieve! wink wink wink
So it's now evident that they all on the same page! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 2:13pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


God's word the Bible says! Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Are you saying it shouldn't matter if a religion doesn't present that to his followers?

Are you saying that if a religion claiming to represent Jesus says to their followers and the rest of mankind, "Jesus is not your mediator" or that "Jesus mediates for only a few selected people", that it should not matter or concern me?

Would you also say such representation of Jesus to their followers is also from Jesus?


Please respond to this Maximus69
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 2:18pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:

Actually, it not a response to my question. But it is an expression of their faith. An expression of their faith.
That's wrong Sir!
EXPDESSION does not necessarily mean what people say but what they display as in EXHIBIT with their actions, because ACTIONS speaks louder than mere WORDS Sir! James 2:14-18,26 cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 2:31pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
That's wrong Sir!
EXPDESSION does not necessarily mean what people say but what they display as in EXHIBIT with their actions, because ACTIONS speaks louder than mere WORDS Sir! James 2:14-18,26 cheesy cheesy cheesy

With your heart you exercises faith, you make a public declaration with your mouth. Expression are very important. That is why you are expected to answer publicly and loudly, in a clear voice to the 2 baptismal questions.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 2:35pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME, Maximus69


Do you agree with these expressions as contained in the watchtower of December 1,1991?

"A Religion That Teaches Lies Cannot Be True"-watchtower, December 1,1991
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 2:59pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
Brother achorladey!!!
So you can't even grasp this simple and straightforward lesson even after reading Jesus' comment saying 'you worship what you do not know,we worship what we know because SALVATION ORIGINATES WITH THE JEWS' John 4: 22
Well if you're not one of his sheep you can never understand his words! John 10:27 undecided

Maximus69:Brother achorladey!!!

Achorladey: Did I just see the typed words "BROTHER ACHORLADEY" with exclamation marks. kikikikikikiki! You are tired of PSYCHOPATH, FUGITIVES, IDIOTS EMPTY SKULL. just as long as you are comfortable with the labels and attributes of the above given to me previously. My resolve as to you being a brother or not had been decided long before this time.

Maximus69: So you can't even grasp this simple and straightforward lesson even after reading Jesus' comment saying 'you worship what you do not know,we worship what we know because SALVATION ORIGINATES WITH THE JEWS' John 4: 22


Achorladey: What is so difficult to GRASP from the simple statement of CHRIST. I asked you simple question are the SAMARITANS also the people of JESUS? When Jesus said he CAME for the LOST sheep of ISRAEL are the SAMARITANS included? Was it about SALVATION ORIGINATION BEGIN WITH THE JEW or about the who are Christ PEOPLE?

Maximus69: Well if you're not one of his sheep you can never understand his words! John 10:27


Achorladey: As long you are not JESUS, your voice is not the one of JESUS, your SAYINGS are likewise not of the SHEPHERD. The Shepherd said I know my sheep and my sheep know me. Who are you to decide whether am one of his sheep or not. The last time I read my Bible JESUS is not Maximus69.

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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 3:22pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
Jesus labelled to those calling him teacher 'FOOLS' for criticizing the same person they are calling TEACHER! Matthew 23:17
Paul labelled the Christians in Galatia 'FOOLISH' for having a totally different mindset from that of those TEACHING them! Galatians 3:1
So Maximus is on point for all those labels he gave to a person who couldn't agree with his teachers yet attending meetings with this same teachers along with others who are learning from them! wink wink wink

Are you JESUS? Are you PAUL that got his appointment as an APOSTLE from JESUS? Were they really giving LABELS or NAME CALLING?

Oga the scriptures is clear ONLY ONE is your TEACHER all others are BROTHERS. Jesus is INDEED a TEACHER in every letter in that WORD. They can do the work of a TEACHER is different from the TITLE of a TEACHER. FEED MY SHEEP is different from being THE SHEPHERD. If you know you know. Once the voice of the one asked to teach goes contrary to the the one of the TEACHER AND THE GREAT SHEPHERD. The sheep will definitely runaway Na Jesus talk am. The sheep don't listen to STRANGERS.

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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 6:41pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


With your heart you exercises faith, you make a public declaration with your mouth. Expression are very important. That is why you are expected to answer publicly and loudly, in a clear voice to the 2 baptismal questions.
You are very funny Sir!
¤SPEECH means what you say from your mouth.
¤EXPRESSION means what you exhibit e.g dress code and hairstyle.
¤WORSHIP means the act or gesture relating to sacred services!
You have freedom regarding these three.
The Baptismal questions is just a formality Sir, all those people you're seeing have started doing the WORK already! wink
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 6:44pm On Apr 13, 2019
achorladey:


Are you JESUS? Are you PAUL that got his appointment as an APOSTLE from JESUS? Were they really giving LABELS or NAME CALLING?

Oga the scriptures is clear ONLY ONE is your TEACHER all others are BROTHERS. Jesus is INDEED a TEACHER in every letter in that WORD. They can do the work of a TEACHER is different from the TITLE of a TEACHER. FEED MY SHEEP is different from being THE SHEPHERD. If you know you know. Once the voice of the one asked to teach goes contrary to the the one of the TEACHER AND THE GREAT SHEPHERD. The sheep will definitely runaway Na Jesus talk am. The sheep don't listen to STRANGERS.
1Peter 5:2 wink
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 6:54pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:
TATIME, Maximus69


Do you agree with these expressions as contained in the watchtower of December 1,1991?

"A Religion That Teaches Lies Cannot Be True"-watchtower, December 1,1991
A religion that TEACHES LIES!
Jehovah's Witnesse are teaching the TRUTH Sir!
What eludes your intellect is the fact that religions teaching lies will always follow the common tradition of men,while the truth is totally strange in the world.
That is why the teaching of Jesus sounds strange in hears of his listeners just as JWs are known globally today as strange teachers NOT the common teachers most people are used to!
Jesus' prayer is clear indication that what he taught and gave his followers to teach people will sound STRANGE in the world! John 17:11-26
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 7:29pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
A religion that TEACHES LIES!
Jehovah's Witnesse are teaching the TRUTH Sir!
What eludes your intellect is the fact that religions teaching lies will always follow the common tradition of men,while the truth is totally strange in the world.
That is why the teaching of Jesus sounds strange in hears of his listeners just as JWs are known globally today as strange teachers NOT the common teachers most people are used to!
Jesus' prayer is clear indication that what he taught and gave his followers to teach people will sound STRANGE in the world! John 17:11-26


No one accuses your religion sir. I only asked if you agree with the expression I quoted. In fact, I never mentioned your religion. First let have an agreement, after we will list the religions and compare what they teach if they are lies or not. if you may, I'll ask again.
rottennaija:
TATIME, Maximus69


Do you agree with these expressions as contained in the watchtower of December 1,1991?

"A Religion That Teaches Lies Cannot Be True"-watchtower, December 1,1991

Do you agree that a Religion that teaches lies cannot be true?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 7:39pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
You are very funny Sir!
¤SPEECH means what you say from your mouth.
¤EXPRESSION means what you exhibit e.g dress code and hairstyle.
¤WORSHIP means the act or gesture relating to sacred services!
You have freedom regarding these three.
The Baptismal questions is just a formality Sir, all those people you're seeing have started doing the WORK already! wink

Watchtower would disagree. If they were not important, they would go through much length and effort to make the baptismal questions what they are today. I hope you realize the baptismal questions had undergone a lot of changes within the past 50 years?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 7:59pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:



No one accuses your religion sir. I only asked if you agree with the expression I quoted. In fact, I never mentioned your religion. First let have an agreement, after we will list the religions and compare what they teach if they are lies or not. if you may, I'll ask again.

Do you agree that a Religion that teaches lies cannot be true?
Well Mr Judge, if you don't know what the Bible present as TRUTH there is no way you can sought that out Sir!
But as for me, i know that Jehovah's Witnesses have the TRUTH!
Tatime have spoken and you should speak of the religion you know that's teaching the TRUTH instead of arguing for what you aren't sure of!
Which religion did you know is teaching the TRUTH? Or let's rephrase the question, Where do you worship Sir? wink
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 8:05pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:


Watchtower would disagree. If they were not important, they would go through much length and effort to make the baptismal questions what they are today. I hope you realize the baptismal questions had undergone a lot of changes within the past 50 years?
You're just quoting what JWs use for formality sake, instead of talking about the WORK that's involved!
You've heard it but perhaps you failed to understand it.
Those you see getting baptised are already DOING THE WORK OF EVANGELIZERS! So the speech or response as it were is just for formality sake! wink
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 8:56pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
1Peter 5:2 wink


1 Peter 5:2 SHEPHERD the flock of God under your care, serving as overseers, not under compulsion, but willingly before God; not for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;

I hope you get the sense of the scriptures you cited. Here it is again below for emphasis.....


1 Peter 5:2 SHEPHERD the flock of God under your care, serving as overseers, not under compulsion, but willingly before God; not for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;

I know what I typed in that post you are responding to. You have only used this scripture to BUTTRESS my point. Now you will get it better when you go back to that post.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 9:08pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
You're just quoting what JWs use for formality sake, instead of talking about the WORK that's involved!
You've heard it but perhaps you failed to understand it.
Those you see getting baptised are already DOING THE WORK OF EVANGELIZERS! So the speech or response as it were is just for formality sake! wink
He once said the Watchtower have past,present and future truth, the adherents are OK with it but now he wants to argue vehemently that this same Watchtower won't agree to something, yet he said they can't be trusted!
How are you going to please Mr Judge [Critic versus Criticism] cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 9:12pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:
TATIME, Maximus69


Do you agree with these expressions as contained in the watchtower of December 1,1991?

"A Religion That Teaches Lies Cannot Be True"-watchtower, December 1,1991

For the couch has proved too short for stretching oneself on, and the woven sheet itself is too narrow when wrapping oneself up.—Isaiah 28:20.

Proverbs 10:19a ......When words are many, transgression is not lacking, that's all I can say about what that quote from that magazine entails. I only hope you get the response you seek.


After all you are trying to make use of the standard set by the Watchtower in the course of your analysis.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 9:17pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
He once said the Watchtower have past,present and future truth, the adherents are OK with it but now he wants to argue vehemently that this same Watchtower won't agree to something, yet he said they can't be trusted!
How are you going to please Mr Judge [Critic versus Criticism] cheesy cheesy cheesy
Hmmm, Thanks Sir!
You know i never thought of that!
TRUST is a related virtue of TRUTH, if rottennaija could solely voice out like that in support of the Watchtower boldly and confidently saying 'the organization would disagree' with something, then what else could be his problem? undecided
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jozzy4: 10:12pm On Apr 13, 2019
rottennaija:
Ready for a game of Bible ping-pong?

When any of their unorthodox beliefs come up for discussion, Jehovah's Witnesses will say, "I believe this because the Bible says [paraphrase of verse] at [chapter and verse citation]," while a more accurate response would have been, "I believe this because the Watchtower Society teaches us that this is what the Bible says."

Unfortunately, however, this is a point where most Christians believe Jehovah's Witnesses, as evidenced by the Christian's typical response consisting of Bible verses to refute the JW doctrine in question.*

So a typical Christian-vs.-JW encounter resembles a game of Bible ping-pong or table-tennis. The Christian comes up with a verse of Scripture refuting a JW doctrine, and the Witness responds with one of his or her favorite "proof" texts. The Christian responds with another verse, and the JW does likewise. Bible verses fly back and forth across the table until both parties, sweaty and exhausted, call a halt to the game.

A re-match the following week yields similar results. Even if the Christian manages to score more points, the JW is still a JW, and the Christian feels like giving up on JWs, concluding that it is pointless to get into a conversation with them.

In a sense, that conclusion is correct -- in the same sense that the primitive tribesman finally concludes that it is pointless to pour more cold water on the hot radiator in the apartment he is visiting.

In both cases failure is attributable to misdirected efforts. Those efforts might have succeeded if they had been aimed at the proper target.

Knocking down a Jehovah's Witness's belief system is similar to chopping down a tree. The woodsman who takes aim at the biggest and brightest leaves can swing his axe all day without results. So it is with the Christian who takes aim at prominent JW doctrines and starts swinging.

Witness beliefs on theology and the afterlife are attractive targets for Christians who know what the Bible really says on these matters. But those erroneous beliefs are upheld by the Watchtower Society, just as the leaves and branches are held aloft by the tree trunk.

Until the woodsman takes aim at the trunk, he swings his axe in vain. Likewise with the Christian who gets into debates with JWs over doctrine.

Rather than belabor the point, I'll conclude with a real-life example -- a close look at what actually happens when you show a JW a Bible verse that refutes JW beliefs:

Two ladies called at my door with Watchtower and Awake! magazines in their hands. I let the one taking the lead go ahead with her presentation for a minute or two, rejected her offer of the magazines, but then asked if she could answer a question for me before she left. I asked,

"Is it true that you people believe the 'great crowd' of believers will be rewarded with life on earth forever instead of going to heaven? Can you show me in the Bible where it mentions this 'great crowd.'"

"Yes," she replied, promptly opening her New World Translation, as I knew she would, to Revelation 7:9, where she read, "After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and there were palm branches in their hands."

When I showed her the context [/b]and pointed out that the "great crowd" is pictured there "standing before the throne" of God in heaven, rather than on earth, she answered that all the earth stands before God's throne.

So I had her turn over a few pages to Revelation, chapter 19, which also speaks of the "great crowd," and asked her to read the first verse: "After these things I heard what was[b] [u] as a
[/b] loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said, 'Praise Jah, you people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God.'"

"So, where is the 'great crowd'?" I asked.

"On earth," was her answer.

"Please read it again," I asked.

This time I stopped her after she read the word heaven and asked again where the verse located the "great crowd." "On earth," was still her reply.

"What was that last word you read?" I asked.

"It says 'heaven'," she finally admitted, "but the 'great crowd' is on earth. You don't understand," she went on, "we have men at our headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, who explain the Bible to us. And they can prove that the 'great crowd' is on earth; I just can't explain it that well."

There it is! A Jehovah's Witness can look at the word 'heaven' in the Bible and see 'earth' instead -- because that is what the Watchtower Society teaches.

It is as if JWs look at the Bible through Watchtower-tinted glasses that color the meaning of everything they read.

The same mental mechanism kicks in whether the topic is the nature of God, the condition of the dead, the future hope of Christians, or any other subject the Witness has been drilled on repetitively at Kingdom Hall meetings and in the pages of Watchtower publications.

But this does not mean that discussions with JWs are doomed to failure. Success is possible if you treat the disease rather than the symptoms, if you pour the water on the furnace rather than on the radiator, if you swing the axe at the trunk of the tree rather than at the leaves. Chop through the trunk, and the whole tree will come down -- including all the brightly colored leaves that first caught your attention.

MORE IMPORTANT ARTICLES WILL BE FOUND BELOW

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/watchtower-scandal.php

https://jwinform.com/2016/02/02/a-question-that-works-with-jehovahs-witnesses/

https://jwinform.com/2017/07/18/why-cant-i-reach-a-jehovahs-witness/


*JWs claim that they base their beliefs on the Bible. This is not true. (They really base their beliefs on instructions from Watchtower headquarters.) So, when Christians respond with Bible verses to refute the JW beliefs, this may indicate that Christians take JWs at their word -- that they base their beliefs on the Bible. Yes, it is important to answer them from the Bible. But progress usually comes only after proving that the Watchtower Society is unreliable and not to be trusted. Before a JW sees evidence of the Watchtower Society's false prophecies and back-and-forth doctrinal changes, he or she will usually accept the Watchtower's interpretation of Bible verses, rather than yours, because JWs see the Society as God's appointed spokesman.


to think u presented this arrant nonsense as fact is just a reflection of how poor your basic knowledge of the bible is.

1. the great crowd at rev 7:9 are said to be coming out from the great tribulation, for Gods sake where did the great tribulation occur ? @ context

2. Rev 19:1 says a voice LIKE , or as quoted by you "as a " , as and like are simileys , it isnt describing the great crowd but a description of the voice heard by john which wasnt specified, for Gods sake this same voice is described as LIKE MANY WATERS , LIKE THUNDER ( rev 19;6. ) just a decription not an identity of the great crowd.

am not suprised u end up an atheist and disbelief in the bible , not suprising at all . this poor knowlege says it all
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jozzy4: 10:21pm On Apr 13, 2019
Maximus69:
Hmmm, Thanks Sir!
You know i never thought of that!
TRUST is a related virtue of TRUTH, if rottennaija could solely voice out like that in support of the Watchtower boldly and confidently saying 'the organization would disagree' with something, then what else could be his problem? undecided

' Satan has catched them alive ' 2 tim 2:26

rottennaija has nothing to offer, he is a useless atheist . doesnt even belive the bible itself, just to let you know where useless criticism has lead him. Satan has finally prevail in his life. i hope he regain his senses before its too late. to think achorladey is supporting him goes to show he himself is another tool in satans hand

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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 10:56pm On Apr 13, 2019
Jozzy4 Maximus69 TATIME

The Watchtower of December 1,1991 says, "A Religion That Teaches Lies Cannot Be True"

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 10:59pm On Apr 13, 2019
TATIME:
He once said the Watchtower have past,present and future truth, the adherents are OK with it but now he wants to argue vehemently that this same Watchtower won't agree to something, yet he said they can't be trusted!
How are you going to please Mr Judge [Critic versus Criticism] cheesy cheesy cheesy

Show your prove I said those.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 11:16pm On Apr 13, 2019
Jozzy4:


' Satan has catched them alive ' 2 tim 2:26

rottennaija has nothing to offer, he is a useless atheist . doesnt even belive the bible itself, just to let you know where useless criticism has lead him. Satan has finally prevail in his life. i hope he regain his senses before its too late. to think achorladey is supporting him goes to show he himself is another tool in satans hand

2 Timothy 2:26.......

And the Lord’s slave must not engage in heated disputes but be kind toward all, an apt teacher, patient, 25 CORRECTING OPPONENTS with GENTLENESS. Perhaps God will grant them REPENTANCE and then KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH 26 and they will COME to their SENSES and escape the DEVIL’S TRAP where they are held CAPTIVE to do his WILL.

The part of the scripture you need is what you cited and but the part that has to do with CORRECTING OPPONENTS with GENTLENESS is not to be taken along perhaps the reason your CORRECTION or effort to CORRECT has not been working because of the following words......

USELESS ATHEIST,

DEVIL'S TOOL,

NOTHING TO OFFER,

blah blah blah.

Take your time from start to finish on this thread to see who had been discussing with GENTLENESS in order to CORRECT. Perhaps you need to pick or seek the AWAKE PUBLISHED in the year 2000 about this....


Name-Calling


Some people INSULT those who DISAGREE with them by QUESTIONING CHARACTER or MOTIVES INSTEAD of FOCUSING on the FACTS. NAME CALLING slaps a negative, easy-to-remember LABEL onto a PERSON, a GROUP, or an IDEA. The NAME-CALLER hopes that the LABEL will STICK. If people reject the PERSON or the IDEA on the basis of the NEGATIVE LABEL instead of WEIGHING the EVIDENCE for THEMSELVES, the NAME-CALLER’S STRATEGY has WORKED. For example, in recent years a powerful ANTISECT sentiment has swept many countries in Europe and elsewhere. This trend has stirred emotions, created the image of an ENEMY, and REINFORCED existing prejudices against religious minorities. Often, “sect” becomes a catchword. “‘Sect’ is another word for ‘heretic,’” wrote German Professor Martin Kriele in 1993, “and a heretic today in Germany, as in former times, is [condemned to extermination]—if not by fire..., then by CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, ISOLATION and ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION.”The Institute for Propaganda Analysis notes that “bad names have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. THEY have RUINED REPUTATIONS,... sent [people] to PRISON CELLS, and made MEN MAD ENOUGH to enter BATTLE and SLAUGHTER their FELLOWMEN.”

The TITLE of this thread is HOW TO GET JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TO LISTEN. So far he has drawn your attention and to a certain degree your LISTENING EARS but you might not have been listening carefully the REASON for........

"SATAN has finally PREVAIL in his life. i hope he REGAIN his SENSES before its too late".

and........

"to think achorladey is supporting him goes to show he himself is another TOOL in SATANS HAND"

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