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Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 4:19pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore: Oga, why do you find it difficult to understand simple English. MENTION 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI WAS THE CENTRE FORWARD Messi played as a false 9 several times but never as the Centre Forward (CF-main striker). MENTION JUST 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI WAS THE CF |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 4:25pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Go and quote where I said the false 9 is an AMF . I think your memory is failing to serve you well. For the records, a false 9 does not play a more static CF role and drops deep even into midfield if need be. Messi plays this role perfectly and what I told you is that he can play as SS,AMF etc but never as a CF. Messi has never played as a CF. Yesterday, I asked you to refer to any match where he was the CF and to state what his achievement was in that role. Up till now, you are still dancing in circles. REFER TO JUST 1 MATCH WHERE MESSI PLAYED AS A CENTRE FORWARD Do I need to communicate to you in your local dialect before you do this very simple task? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 4:29pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: The bolded is just too silly. It is like asking me to mention a match that Ronaldo playerd CF I cannot even mentioned any match where Messi played SS cause I don't occupy my precious mind with frivolities like you. I just know the stats and other key variables needed for me to analyse my games well. I have given you a link already that summarises Messi. Your unbelief will not change the fact. I can edit and re-edit my post as I like. I will even re-edit this one if I need to add more info in future and if you don't like it, then go suck a lemon. There's nothing you can do about it. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 4:31pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Keep on being clever by half by tagging CF to false 9 role. If he had played as a CF severally like you claim, a simple google search should be able to find out just 1 match where Messi played as a Centre Forward. You do not necessarily have to memorise anything. If you are a football enthusiast like you claim, you should be able to recall at least 1 match where he was the CF. Humour me! I am waiting. Stop quoting me if you do not have any reference / if you won't be referring to just 1 match where he played as a CF. Messi has played more than 600 matches, this should not be too difficult for you and you delusional colleagues. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 4:32pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Are you really so dumb or are you just trying hard to be one because if you are really trying to be dumb, then you have done a good job so far. I never said messi played CF as the main striker. I said he played CF as a false 9 and you said false 9 is not CF |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 4:37pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Well, case dismissed since you hve failed to refer to just 1 match out of over 600 matches to back up your claim. Next time, do not write things you are not sure of. Messi has never played as a CF(9). As a SS,YES! As an AMF, Yes! and some other roles. As a CF, no! no! no! DanXplore:No! Such attitude shows deceit particularly when the first post has been responded to. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 4:39pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: This is Pep's formation, using Messi as the false 9 (CF). Don't let the arrows fool you but as mentioned earlier, Pedro or Sanchez/Villa are false wingers who either attack as messi draws the defence away or gives Messi room to attack centrally. Never have I argued with an unintelligent fellow.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 4:42pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: No it does not. It is only deceitful if the initial thought is altered. Which village are you from? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 4:49pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: You've succeeded in making me dig down the web for evidence. I have provided surplus. Now, can you prove to me with evidence that Messi has never played the centre foward role? Source: Wikipedia
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Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:00pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Did you not say Messi plays CF in one of your posts? In the same post , you said he plays the false 9 role too. If you hadn't distinguished these 2 roles, you would not have splitted the points. You splitting the points in your write-up means you acknowledge that they are 2 different things. I hope you will not have gone to re-edit the post. If what you meant was him taking the false 9 role as a CF, why would you post in different numbers? Keep going back and forth! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:02pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:I asked you to state a match where Messi played as a CF, not to show me counters. What match was this and what was his achievement in that role? Is this too difficult to comprehend? If you can provide the formation you should be able to provide the match as well. I asked for the match where Messi was the CF. That is what I asked you for and not counters. Since yesterday, I have been asking you to state a match where Messi was the CF and his achievement in such roles |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:10pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore: Your post only validates my claim about dropping to the midfield to stringe plays together. The false 9, in some ways similar to a more advanced attacking midfielder/playmaker role, is an unconventional lone striker or centre-forward, who drops deep into midfield. The purpose of this is that it creates a problem for opposing centre-backs who can either follow the false 9, leaving space behind them for onrushing midfielders, forwards or wingers to exploit, or leaving the false 9 to have time and space to dribble or pick out a pass. I hope you read the part that clearly states the word "unconventional". That is enough for anyone to understand that the false 9 role is totally different from the CF role And that is wiki post too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(association_football) |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:18pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Read the circled carefully. Your confusion: CF means "stay at the front" False 9 is only a strategy employed by a CF Enjoy your delusion.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:22pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: All the matches Messi played as a false 9 is as one played as a CF. How hard could this be for you to grab? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:25pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:A CF is more static than a false 9 and that is the point I have been trying to make. Not necessarily to stay in front but more of a poacher with less liberty and mobility to drop to midfield and roam around.I told you how tough it was for me as a CF as all eyes will be on you and you get hacked down so easily. When I played as a false 9, I had more liberty to roam and became less susceptible to being hacked down/ being man marked. The main essence of the false 9 role is to leave the CBs confused..the moment they identify you as a CF, you are in great trouble. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:26pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Only the changes made were additions and not subtractions. Dig for the post where i mentioned that Messi played as the CF-main striker. If i could recall correctly, i kept emphasizing that He played CF as a false 9...even though how ever you look at it, playing as a false 9 could actually mean he is the main striker nevertheless. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:29pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Trust me when I say I am not impressed with your local football career. I am just surprised at two things. 1. You claim to b3 a professional footballer and yet you do not know the roles properly. 2. You cannot read and comprehend even after literally spoon feeding you with the facts. Read what was wrote but this time, read it slowly. Perhaps you might understand it. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:35pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves:This was quoted verbatim from quora Eg - Cristiano is a winger naturally but has played as a false no 9. Messi is a winger but played as a false no 9 under Pep Guardiola. 207 views" - Shaad Shaikh, 2019. I am done responding to you in regards to CF and false 9. You've already made a big fooll of yourself. Let me read through the 1st set of comments to attend to other silly remarks you made. Watch this space |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:39pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:On a lighter note, I just saw the Indian you quoted from quora and attached the picture It is so amusing you had to go and quote an indian for back-up Anyway, you should have attached his entire write-up where he emphasized same things I have been saying...where he clearly stated that Messi lacks the abilities to play as a CF(9). Hence, his being deployed as a decoy. I am not a professional footballer. I am a computer programmer. However, I have played football in the past and I've been at Pepsi in my teenage years |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:43pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:In 1 single post you listed how Messi can play as a cf,amf,cmf BLA BLA BLA In the same post under another number, you stated how he plays as a false 9 as well. If you meant he plays as a CF decoy, you would have clearly stated it in the post . Or Were your listings made to just increase the numbers and points you wanted to make? |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:44pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Ok since you do not like indians, here is a quote from an american. "A False 9 is a decoy centre forward in a side deliberately set up without a dedicated striker." - Greg The word "decoy" is key. He is a CF but his job is to deceive. I am not a professional footballer either ( played for my school team though) but a Chemical Engineer, an Accountant and a Computer Programmer as well. Go and learn good football. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:47pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Yeah Ronaldo plays as a false 9 several times and takes up the CF role as well several times even with Benzema being there. So, what's the fuss all about? The point is that,the best Messi ever played is a false 9. He has never played as a 9 or CF. I know it hurts knowing your diminutive hero lacks the characteristics of a classical Centre Forward. Ndo!! |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:47pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: CF is CF whether decoy or dedicated. It is about formation and stratrgy. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:50pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: All this your anger is just because your Penaldo will not smell balon d'or this year. I have attached one transformer for you to hug.
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Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:53pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: Wrong quote, but you get my point. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:54pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Well, that is your view bro. I do not regard CF as CF There is a main CF role reserved for players like Ronaldo De Lima, Ibrahimovic, Drogba, Suarez, Henry etc. There is a decoy CF role called (False 9) reserved for players like Messi who aren't as physically strong and powerful like the earlier ones mentioned. It is easier for the first set of people(players) I mentioned to switch between the 2 roles. However, Messi can at best play as a decoy and never as a main CF. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:56pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Hahahahaha I am more into Messi than you. You will just be making someone to be looking for Messi's trouble anyhow. The truth is that, we are lucky to see Messi and Ronaldo play. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 5:59pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:At bolded, quite impressive! At least you have impressed me today with the bolded. Where are you? Let me come and learn. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by Nobody: 5:59pm On May 09, 2019 |
naturalwaves: You forgot to mention that false 9 is reserved for the most skillful. Messi has been rated the best false 9 of all time. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by naturalwaves: 6:03pm On May 09, 2019 |
DanXplore:Messi is the best false 9 of all time and nobody has been able to perform as good as he has done in that role no doubt. However, if strikers and CFs are being mentioned, Messi does not enter top 10 CF's of all times. |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by sssoulw(m): 11:35am On May 10, 2019 |
PSG vs Barcelona - Champions League Quarter final 2013 naturalwaves: |
Re: Liverpool Vs Barcelona: Lessons I Learnt From The Champion’s League Match by sssoulw(m): 11:58am On May 10, 2019 |
Messi lacks the ability,, I disagree with you man naturalwaves: |
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