alBHAGDADI:


You are beautiful.

I'll like to meet you.

Bad guy, I swear if you be pastor ur female members go dey collect

dpumppy:
I'm really surprised to see a comment like this. Gold, silver or previous stones for who ? How can you build a physical place for a sprit to deal ?

I am so surprised you've not come across:

1Cor 3:11-13:
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."

Agrogbeide:


where is "lose of salvation here"?

Salvation was provided through Christ. Did you automatically receive it? No. You had to consciously accept and be established in it

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Colossians 2:6-7
As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith.

You lose your salvation by choice, by choosing to rejects the salvation and teachings of Christ and choosing to live a sinful life
As you can see in the later verse

2Peter 2:22
22 Of them the proverbs are true: A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.

Agrogbeide:

38
NIV:For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39
NIV:neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:38-39

Paul was referring to the physical life here on earth and also the physical death not eternal life and second death

Agrogbeide:

These are the unbelievers and they were never born again.
NIV:Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:32

Where did you see that they were never born again? This is Paul's message to believers, the Galatian church

Gal. 5:16-21
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

An2elect2:
If you use a rag to scrub dirt for years. When the rag gets worn and torn, which would you throw into the bin your hand or the rag?

I don't understand the relationship between your question and my post. Can you come out more clearly?

Agrogbeide:
Kikikikikikikiki....... Chaeiiiii
So you will lose your salvation if you choose not to be saved again right? Let me ask you this question,
How will you gain back this salvation when you have come back to your right senses and after realizing your mistake of rejecting salvation?

God and read the parable of the prodigal son

Luke 15:17-20
17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.


God is ready to accept us if we go back to him

That's why Jesus Christ emphasizes that we forgive those that offend else God will not forgive us

Matt. 6:14-15
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

If you are "forever saved" and you don't forgive, how will God forgive you your sins

Agrogbeide:
NIV:For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:5

AMP:For, as we all know, He [Christ] did not take hold of angels [the fallen angels, to give them a helping and delivering hand], but He did take hold of [the fallen] descendants of Abraham [to reach out to them a helping and delivering hand].
Hebrews 2:16
Are angels God's children or heirs of salvation?
Is God their father?
Is salvation for angels or Men on earth?

The point I was trying to tell you is that free will exists in the physical and the spiritual realm. God made us in His image

Ayodehji202:

and i think that is the reason why some church goers but not born again stiil pray in the name of Jesus and their prayers are stiil been answered with clear testimony.

Of course!
If I claim have the seed of God in me and ai produce the fruit of satan, can my claim be true?

AngelicBeing:
Gbam, Jesus Christ said whosoever believes in Him has eternal life, everlasting life,

Has eternal life (present continuous) NOT will have eternal life!

hysteriabox:

Wow. I saw this, and I just blessed God for people who still cherish sound doctrine. Thumbs up

Thanks dear!
Happy Sunday!

Yinyeon:
I believe once saved, always saved.
It's Biblically sound to do so.

So, what happened to Annanias and Saphirra

hysteriabox:

True. Believes will be judged according to their works FOR THE PURPOSE OF REWARD NOT CONDEMNATION. There is a difference between the doctrine of judgment and the doctrine of bema. Your faithfulness is for reward not to determine your salvation

Very correct.
But some see God as one who is waiting to catch us with our last unconfessed sin and then throw us into hell fire for lying about our age... After all, no liar will inherit the kingdom of God!

shadeyinka:

Very correct.
But some see God as one who is waiting to catch us with our last unconfessed sin and then throw us into hell fire for lying about our age... After all, no liar will inherit the kingdom of God!

When Christ taught how to pray, he taught us to pray for forgiveness, "...forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us;...". Scripture makes it very clear that God hates lies

Proverbs 12:22
22 The Lord hates lying lips, but those who speak the truth are His joy.

salt1:
These eternal security people and their false hopes!
So Saul who prophesied never knew God! So those that committed suicide like Saul and Judas Iscariot are in heaven?

I would have refrained from contributing, but I might help some confused Christians.

Whether New or Old Testament, the Bible is one. No Scripture is of private interpretation.
The righteous can't claim righteousness when he sins. There are no sinning Christians. If you commit sin, you become a child of the devil and must ask God to forgive you again before you become His child again.

Please Christians, eternity is at stake. Read the Bible, not just interpretations of the Bible given by your pastor. We already have the syllabus which will be used in examining us, so we don't have excuse.
Run away from any preaching that condones or minimizes the awfulness of sin.
There's no religion in heaven: only righteous people

1 Timothy 4:16 KJV
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Please what specifically makes a Christian to loose his salvation?

Fran6ik:

My dear am sorry to tell u, you have learnt something wrong.. sorry though you wonr accept. Fake Pastors have brain washed you

I am not your dear and saying Jesus only did partial salvation only shows how ignorant you are. You think if it is by works anybody will make heaven? You will also not make heaven. God is not a fool.

I don't know where they got it in Bible.It disagrees with other Bible verses like Mathew 24 vrs 13......He who endures to the end will be saved.

stmichael001:
No need arguing scriptures to prove "once saved forevea saved "is far from the real true meaning of what grace means.
The scripture is so balanced in such a way that u can actually get loads of scriptural references to buttress ur error and misconceptions.
If ones salvation can not be lost, my brother live ur life anyhw as u like besides u are now forever saved. SELAH

Those who say once saved, you are eternally saved are not saying that once saved, you have a license to sin. No!
But that's what you keep hearing.

If anyone looses his salvation, it is impossible to restore such back to Faith.

The Question is when does a person loose his salvation?

Agrogbeide:
By the time you begin to throw questions to those against this great doctrine of salvation they will start hopping up and down like a wounded grasshopper. They will skip the question and hastily throw forth another useless post to sponsor their wrong facts or in another way misinterpret the scripture and post it here.
Those against this doctrine of "Once saved forever saved" should answer this question;
1.When can a believer lose his salvation?
2. What can separate us from the love of God? I know you will say sin, but the wages of sin is death. So can death separate us from the love of God?

None will. They fear that if they agree with the doctrine, it's as good as license to sin being preached!

shadeyinka:

Please what specifically makes a Christian to lose his salvation?

Choice. When you choose to live in sin after accepting and knowing the teachings of Christ.

ejimatic:
I don't know where they got it in Bible.It disagrees with other Bible verses like Mathew 24 vrs 13......He who endures to the end will be saved.

Thank you. They should back it up with what the word of God says and not speak from their minds. It contradicts so many bible verses.

What kind of salvation would God's salvation be if it isn't eternal? Saved today, unsaved tomorrow?

Those who have believed in the sacrifice of Christ are saved completely, eternally and permanently because that was how God intended it to be and he gave his oath to that effect.


Hebrews 6:17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.
Hebrews 6:18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.
Hebrews 6:19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,(NIV)


Works didn't save you, yet you claim works makes one lose salvation? If a believer still lies, steals or whatever, he only needs to understand his identity in Christ to stop yielding to his flesh.

Once saved, saved forever! Salvation is relying on God, not on yourself!

GoodBoi1:

When Christ taught how to pray, he taught us to pray for forgiveness, "...forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us;...". Scripture makes it very clear that God hates lies

Proverbs 12:22
22 The Lord hates lying lips, but those who speak the truth are His joy.

No one ever said God condones sin.
BUT
You are saying that what determines if we make heaven or not is if we confesed our last sin!?

When did you think the prodigal son lost his sonship?

GoodBoi1:

Choice. When you choose to live in sin after accepting and knowing the teachings of Christ.

If a true child of God chooses to live in sin for two straight years and finally returned back to God with all sincerity. Would God accept him back?

pressplay411:
"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.

Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.

We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are to guard our salvation with all diligence.

Christ never said we're saved for ever just for believing in him, for demons do too but are not saved. He said, if we love him, we should keep his commands. He said, if judgement comes, will He find Faith? He said people will stray away from the Faith, unbelief will spread even among believers who will fall for false prophets.
Even Apostle Paul never said Grace saves anyone for ever because even He said He was fighting the good fight of Faith, to take hold of eternal life.

The precious blood of Jesus saves all who believe in Christ from being unbelievers and from living a disconnected life from God. Truly Christ refers to unbelievers as the dead, because to be carnal is death.- 1st stage of Salvation.

Discipleship; Learning of Christ. Obedience and Faith in the Words of Christ keeps us Saved. We start growing in the Likeness of Christ, bearing His Fruit and His Nature. We start doing greater works like Christ did winning souls, healing the sick, casting out demons, finding our place in ministry and establishing God's Kingdom on earth etc- 2nd Stage of Salvation.

When we die or are raptured, would it meet us still faithful and doing the works of Christ, keeping our Faith even in the face of Death?- Final stage of Salvation.

. It is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans ,Greek philosophy imported into the modern day theology. Once saved always save is a hoarse ,very farcical Matthew 7:21-22
[21]“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
[22]On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your Matthew 7:23
[23]But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

shadeyinka:

No one ever said God condones sin.
BUT
You are saying that what determines if we make heaven or not is if we confesed our last sin!?

When did you think the prodigal son lost his sonship?

I never said that. The bible says we should forgive others so that God will forgive us too when we ask for forgiveness. We can be saved but if we tolerate a sinful lifestyle we can miss our inheritance. The prodigal son was still a son but he choose a sinful lifestyle before going back to the Father who accepted him. God is ready to accept us if we repent and go back to him. It is us that will choose to go back or remain in sin

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

We Baptists believe in it.Once saved,always saved or perseverance of the saints or eternal security. People.misunderstand it.What it simply means is that once a person is tryely born again,Christ has power to save the person to the end.As far as Christ is concerned He has power to save you to the end as long as individual abide in him.John 10:28'And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man PLUCK them OUT of my hand'.It now depends on individual. No genuine Christian will deliberately go on sinning I John 3:9

Yinyeon:


Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.

I didn't want to post anything until I saw your last paragraph.

Read the story of the ten virgins in Matt 25. Note, they were all virgins. But in VS 12, it was stated, I know you not.


Look, it's this your interpretation that will take you far away from God. I've addressed this issue many times. I don't have time to stress myself over false teachings of the last days, with the obvious agenda of taking away God's consciousness from the heart of many. Soon, the preachers will tell you, it's not necessary to do things that pleases God

shadeyinka:

If a true child of God chooses to live in sin for two straight years and finally returned back to God with all sincerity. Would God accept him back?

Yes God will accept him back because

1Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


From the scriptures this happened several times between God and the Children of Israel

hope4life:


We Baptists believe in it.Once saved,always saved or perseverance of the saints or eternal security. People.misunderstand it.What it simply means is that once a person is tryely born again,Christ has power to save the person to the end.As far as Christ is concerned He has power to save you to the end as long as individual abide in him.John 10:28'And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man PLUCK them OUT of my hand'.It now depends on individual. No genuine Christian will deliberately go on sinning I John 3:9

Of course you are right.

But what they hear is "once saved it doesn't matter how you commit sin, you are still saved"

If I am thistle can I bring forth grape fruit?

hope4life:


We Baptists believe in it.Once saved,always saved or perseverance of the saints or eternal security. People.misunderstand it.What it simply means is that once a person is tryely born again,Christ has power to save the person to the end.As far as Christ is concerned He has power to save you to the end as long as individual abide in him.John 10:28'And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man PLUCK them OUT of my hand'.It now depends on individual. No genuine Christian will deliberately go on sinning I John 3:9

Judas was saved, was he saved to the end?

shadeyinka:

Please what specifically makes a Christian to loose his salvation?

The energy with which you argue makes me not feel like replying you. It's not the vehemence of your argument that makes you right.

Now listen and listen very well. The only thing that separates man from God is sin. Even if you have experienced the joy of salvation like David and you, of your God given freewill, go back to sin, you're no more a Christian.
1John 1:9 says he that is born of God does not commit sin, for His seed remains in him.
If a saved person backslides into sin and doesn't repent and forsake it, if he dies in his sin, he can't appear before a holy God.
Grace is not a cloak for covering evil. He that does righteousness is righteous. God's grace empowers you to live right.
I know I'm wasting my time with you because Oyakhilome has taught you differently.
Search the Bible. If you like. Otherwise, go ahead and believe whatever you will. See you at the pearly gates

shadeyinka:

None will. They fear that if they agree with the doctrine, it's as good as license to sin being preached!

GRASS MESSAGE is a License to sin but GRACE MESSAGE is a license to live a Holy life.
If anyone finds comfort in sin is either that person is hearing or heard Grass message or simply not Born Again.
I once was against this "perfect doctrine" until I went back to the scriptures and discovered things for myself, what most Christians parade as knowledge is hearsay, what their fellow brethrens or prophets told them, majority of them have not really gone back to the drawing board of salvation and observe things with their own eyes hence, useless doctrines, different sects and denominations among those who claim they have ONE AND SAME HOLY SPIRIT. You can imagine the trash.
If good works was not good enough for salvation it won't be better to sustain salvation unto eternal life. Christ did not waited for good works before he died on the cross, BUT WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS CHRIST DIED FOR US AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED.