kkins25:

this is nothing but a formulation by mr apostle paul and his cohorts of fake prophets aka apostles. Even though paul might not have meant it literally but well its his fault christianity is what it is today.

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6

christ was not God but god.


Psalms 110:1
The LORD (yhwh)said to my Lord(possibly jesus), Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. there is a big difference sir, btw LORD and lord.

Hairyrapunzel:


Jehovah isn't Lord since there is one Lord Jesus Christ and one God the father.

kkins25:
are you accusing my lord-David that he formulated so called his LORD induced inspirational passages?

kkins25:

this is nothing but a formulation by mr apostle paul and his cohorts of fake prophets aka apostles. Even though paul might not have meant it literally but well its his fault christianity is what it is today.

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6

christ was not God but god.


Psalms 110:1
The LORD (yhwh)said to my Lord(possibly jesus), Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. there is a big difference sir, btw LORD and lord.

Hairyrapunzel:


But bible says there is but one Lord jesus christ or are you accusing paul of lying?

shalom4eva:
Jesus Christ is the WORD of God and that makes him a part of God as told in John 1 vs 1, but my issue is that, if you read throughout the bible, Jesus never directly referred himself as God, He always talk about his Father in heaven and calls himself the son of God. So if we say he is God why did he not mention it for ones in all his direct statements.

Hairyrapunzel:


But bible says there is but one Lord jesus christ or are you accusing paul of lying?

ichuka:

Bro you are looking at it from one side of a coin.you are right how can He claim to be God while He was a Man then.isnt right .but that's doesn't negate the fact that He is God before He came and when He left back to He's Throne in Heaven.

kkins25:
this is nothing but a formulation by mr apostle Paul and his cohorts of fake prophets aka apostles. Even though Paul might not have meant it literally but well its his fault christianity is what it is today.

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6

christ was not God but god.

Psalms 110:1
The LORD (yhwh)said to my Lord(possibly jesus), Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. there is a big difference sir, btw LORD and lord.

kkins25:
muttleylaff, here comes someone who surpasses you in dishing out yadayada(budaatums definition of the term and not the other yada) pastors that are teaching that the first man was adam, and eve chop some apple fruit fed to her by a talking snake? my brother please what holy spirit possess you, can you give me its sigil and mobile number?? smh.. bloody pastorpreneurs.

kkins has always been loyal to the Almighty God. Praise iesus bin ioseph

ichuka:
Bro you are looking at it from one side of a coin.you are right how can He claim to be God while He was a Man then.isnt right .but that's doesn't negate the fact that He is God before He came and when He left back to He's Throne in Heaven.

kkins25:
are you implying that jesus and jehova are the same entity? are you saying that in heaven now, there is no longer a jesus since he was God before he manifested into the skin of man (as muttleylaff would put it)

MuttleyLaff:
I thought right, you'll be referring to those verses and similar.

As I earlier pointed out there is no two thrones Maamin.
It's one throne, and its one God, having the Son of God projecting out of same one God, God the Father.

You accept, that God can project Himself however He can, don't you?

missjo:

Fortunately, I will take your word for it because indeed the holy ghost is not unto some but unto all.

missjo:
Lol @buda is not one of him

kkins25:


6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6
there is one God...one God. i repeat, one God... i don't know why my fellow Christians like to twist bible and also make up excuses for God...
even jesus attested to this so many times yet you dont want to listen draw your ears.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. Mark 10:18
if Jesus had the same status as his father he would not always acknowelgde the superiority of his Father. the person wey get him papa no talk say him and him papa na mates so why una con dey chuke words inside jesus and paul mouth huh??
of course what jesus said above corroborates ;
1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

Ihedinobi3:

As for seeking Him first, not quite. If you believe in the Lord Jesus, then you have the Holy Spirit.

kkins25:
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6
there is one God...one God. i repeat, one God... i don't know why my fellow Christians like to twist bible and also make up excuses for God...
even jesus attested to this so many times yet you dont want to listen draw your ears.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. Mark 10:18
if Jesus had the same status as his father he would not always acknowelgde the superiority of his Father. The person wey get him papa no talk say him and him papa na mates so why una con dey chuke words inside jesus and paul mouth huh??
of course what jesus said above corroborates ;
1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

Hairyrapunzel:
Am I quarreling with you? I only said that since there is one Lord Jesus Christ therefore, God/jehovah isn't Lord simple. Carry your argument wherever

Since you said there is one God the father means only the father is God therefore there is one Lord jesus christ means only Jesus is Lord. I no quarrel I just used your own logic.
You can't bring another bible verse from another place to counter my point.

Hairyrapunzel:
Where in the bible did jesus christ ever say he is inferior to the father or the father is superior to him?

kkins25:

are you implying that jesus and jehova are the same entity? are you saying that in heaven now, there is no longer a jesus since he was God before he manifested into the skin of man (as muttleylaff would put it)

ichuka:
There's one God with different personalities

MuttleyLaff:
I can live with this remark. It is similar to, there is one H₂O, but when solid, its static and hard, when liquid, its fluid and flows, and when gaseous, its free, invisible, untouchable etcetera

MuttleyLaff:
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Human skin came later, even apocrypha books and the Quran attests to this missjo. Even Yorubas too say: "human beings are clothes"
I have work to go to,this moment, so will revert back in the PM, say anytime after 3-4pm, OK?

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, your greatest Teacher, afterall is the Spirit of Truth, aka Holy Spirit, even Holy Ghost, who guides you into all truths. If anyone of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all, without finding fault, and it will be given to you. That promise is courtesy of James 1:5 missjo.

Ihedinobi3:

As I said above, the Holy Spirit is given at the point that we receive the Gospel in faith, so that is when we all receive our spiritual gifts, although the nature of the gifts may not be apparent to us immediately or even until we reach spiritual maturity.

As for anyone receiving the pastor-teaching gift, first, it is exclusive to men, although women do receive the gift of teaching, which while similar is not exactly the same. The gift of teaching makes anyone who has it able to communicate the doctrines of the Bible very clearly to others so that they can understand the Bible, but pastor-teaching carries unique authority that is shared by no other extant gift in the Church.

To answer your question directly, this is what the Bible says:

[7]But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.
[11]And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers...
Ephesians 4:7,11 NASB

[1]Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware.
[4]Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[5]And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
[6]There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.
[7]But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
[8]For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
[9]to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
[10]and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
[11]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
[12]For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
[13]For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
[14]For the body is not one member, but many.
[15]If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
[16]And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
[17]If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?
[18]But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.
[19]If they were all one member, where would the body be?
[20]But now there are many members, but one body.
[21]And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
[22]On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;
[23]and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,
[24]whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,
[25]so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
[26]And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
[27]Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.
[28]And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
[29]All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
[30]All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
1 Corinthians 12:1,4-30 NASB

That is to say, not everyone can be a pastor-teacher, even if they wanted to be. We are each of us exactly what God wants us to be, and that is what matters. It is the Lord's Choice what gift we will have and be to the Church, not ours. Our business is to choose how we will use the gift we are given - whether to honor the Lord by using it to the best of our ability to serve the Church or whether to dishonor Him by refusing to use it at all perhaps because we wish we were given some other gift.

Each gift is important, necessary, and critical to the development of the Church. It is true that some are more critical than others, in a manner of speaking. For example, there are only Twelve Apostles. They form the foundations of the Church. Without them, according to God's Plan, there would be no Church. There were more prophets throughout history than Apostles, true, but even for all that, prophets were always a handful in the Church. The Scriptures were written by only prophets and Apostles. So, basically, the Church is built on the words of these two offices. Teachers are the third in line in authority. They are the only office among the three that is still extant in the Church, but like the other two, they are the scarcest gift in the Church (a more correct translation of 1 Corinthians 24:12 demonstrates this), but they are the only ones with the ability to bring the words of the Apostles and prophets home to other believers in a way that enables them to grow spiritually and become more confident in their faith in the Lord.

Even so, no Apostle, prophet, or teacher could function meaningfully without the help and support of other members of the Church. Without the evangelist, there would be no new believer to teach. Without the giver, there would be too much pressure from life for many of these men to flourish. Without the encourager, they would very likely flag in zeal. It goes on and on. We all need each other, even if only a few of us are placed in extremely sensitive positions.

In the end too, we are all fighting for the same exact rewards. No one is disadvantaged by their gifting. So, the three crowns are just as available to the "simple" giver as they are to the "great" Apostle. One is no better positioned to win them than the other. And they both win them the same way: by serving fellow believers in a way that helps them progress in the Truth and by helping willing unbelievers come into the Faith too. Also, although people like pastor-teachers, for example, have a harder path of preparation for ministry, every believer has the exact same spiritual responsibility to the Lord: seek the Truth from a qualified teacher, learn it, believe it, apply it to your life, and help others who are willing to do the same (this help is what is called ministry). This is true regardless what gift we have.

Although I think you still have quite a road in front of you, it seems to me like you do have the gift of teaching. That is a much greater responsibility than you may appreciate at the moment. Since you are a woman, you will not be a pastor-teacher, yes, but you will still be responsible for others with respect to doctrinal purity and respect for the Truth. So, while all believers ought to be striving for greater and greater sanctification in their thoughts, words, and actions, you will find that you will have even more responsibility to be exemplary in what you think, say, and do, for the sake of those believers (especially fellow women and children, but certainly not excluding men) that the Lord will bring to you to help. And the time is extremely short now.

kkins25:

thank you madam. metatron thought kkins was not a christian and didnt know about the prophecy God gave to ezekiel which of course had nothing to do with adam. it is conspicuous that the above passage is symbolic at all levels..thanks for calling his bluff.

budaatum:

Not quite true missjo. Somehow, I do not accept that one will [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13%3A44-46&version=KJV]sell everything they have and purchase the field[/url] they believe one pearl of great price is in. But, do not take buda's word for it because "buda is not one of him".

The [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A19&version=KJV]devil also believes[/url], you see, but no one will claim satan has the Holy Spirit, because if satan had the Holy Spirit, satan would most definitely not tremble.

Those who say "Lord Lord" also believe, but it is said that they will gnash their teeth when they are told they are not known, "depart from me, ye that work iniquity" and are cast into outer darkness and into a furnace of fire.

"[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A33&version=KJV]Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness[/url]", saith the Word of the Almighty Lord God, "and all these things (including the Holy Spirit, understanding, salvation, eternal life, dwelling in the Lord's tabernacle and all other gifts the Lord gives etc) "shall be added unto you".

Smart people only sell all they have and purchase a field they have found one pearl of great price in is what I think, and not one in which they have not yet found the treasure but merely believe the treasure is in.

But do not take buda's word for it.
Remember, "buda is not one of him"!

missjo:



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missjo:

So you do not believe women can be pastors-teachers?

missjo:

So you do not believe women can be pastors-teachers?

Ihedinobi3:

No I don't, but it isn't about what I believe. It is about what the Bible says - and I try to make sure that I believe what the Bible says. There are those who have discarded Paul's epistles as a result of this issue, but if you accept them as Scripture, then I don't think there is any question what the Bible says in this regard:

budaatum:

Women? Pastor-teachers? Are you kidding?
Can women be "one of him"?

I kind of think that according to "one of him" women must humble themselves and learn only from "one of him". For though he believes God gives gifts, how dare any women be worthy of gifts that are greater than all of his!

Personally, I think he just refuses to learn from "one like her". But I suppose I should humble myself and let "one of him" explain one of himself!

missjo:

It's amazing. I am amazed

Ihedinobi3:

No I don't, but it isn't about what I believe. It is about what the Bible says - and I try to make sure that I believe what the Bible says. There are those who have discarded Paul's epistles as a result of this issue, but if you accept them as Scripture, then I don't think there is any question what the Bible says in this regard:

34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 NASB

11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
1 Timothy 2:11-12 NASB

4Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. 5She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment. 6Now she sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, “Behold, the LORD, the God of Israel, has commanded, ‘Go and march to Mount Tabor, and take with you ten thousand men from the sons of Naphtali and from the sons of Zebulun. 7‘I will draw out to you Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his many troops to the river Kishon, and I will give him into your hand.’” 8Then Barak said to her, “If you will go with me, then I will go; but if you will not go with me, I will not go.” 9She said, “I will surely go with you; nevertheless, the honor shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the LORD will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman.” Then Deborah arose and went with Barak to Kedesh.
Judges 4:4-9 NASB

It is not a denial of women that the Lord has given such jobs to men. In fact, the pastor-teaching gift is exactly the same as the teaching gift - which it seems to me that you possess - except for the authority that comes with it. That authority is necessary because it is a forward position in the army. It is a position of first contact with the enemy, of protection and aggression. God gave that authority to men in the church, and very few men at that, for the reason that we see in 1 Timothy 2:13-14.

Here is an example of a woman who possessed the gift of teaching:

24Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures. 25This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
Acts 18:24-26 NASB

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Aquila was only there to lend his authority to what she said, although judging by Judges 4 above, that was likely unnecessary - both Priscilla and Aquila may have been teachers. The important thing to note is that it was both of them who taught a man like Apollos - one of the secondary apostles of the New Testament, no less - the Truth more accurately.

You will also see this example:

9Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses.
Acts 18:9 NASB

So, it is not so much that women cannot do what men can, but that it has pleased the Lord to place men in these forward positions. Obviously, the example of Deborah at a time when men were refusing to step up to the plate is proof enough that God is able to use a woman where a man is not found. But you can be confident that a man will always be found now in the place of the pastor-teacher, so there is no need for women to take that role. Still, there are clear and obvious uses for your teaching gifts. Priscilla's example above is one. Another is as follows:

3Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.
Titus 2:3-5 NASB

Granted that it references "older" women, this is directed at all spiritually mature female believers, just as "elders" always references "pastor-teachers" in the New Testament regardless what their age is. The idea is that with increasing age, spiritual maturity should be increasing as well, but, sadly, this is not always the case (in fact, it very seldom is), which is why Paul tells Timothy not to let anyone despise his authority because of his youth (1 Timothy 4:12).

So, don't be put off by this. As I said, even the "humble" giver in the Church whose gift may seem hardly spiritual is also eligible for the full reward that the Lord calls all believers to win. Our starting position in the Church here on earth is not any indication at all where we will end up in the eternal ranks.