sley4life:

imp. It helps to determine the longevity of the vehicle. At least cars that have less mileage would have long span

Brand_new:
[size=15pt]My question now is, which is more important? Mileage or Use (accidented or not)I think a well used and maintained car with lots of mileage is still way better than a badly used and maintained car with low mileage, What do you guys think?[/size]

lastpage:

Sorry to digress but l guess it was "Jason" who mentioned the issue of "clocking down the Odometer"?

I am not an expert in auto repair but l guess that in newer models, those that use "digital electronics to compute Odometer readings", (unlike the old analog types), the impression l have is that you cannot Change it?

Even attempting to "tamper" with it would land someone in jail, anywhere in the "West", am l wrong?
So, woudl it not be adequate to be rest assured that the odometer reading of that 2009 Camry, is "as it is"?

akanxpress:

I appreciate that good cars cost fortunes and that the brand new ones brought into 9ja are stripped down versions, but the recurring issues in this thread that has not been identified is - Most 9jarians in alll their life never have up to Millions to afford these vehicles and Gov't is banning motobiles - like here in Uyo. Any idea that fingers prices of vehicles imported (new or toks ) as costly is spurred by Cars Dealers/Importers.
Must 9jerians continue to spend their lives watching thieving politicians, government and top business tycoons as the only fellows worthy of owing cars?
Should an average graduate that finishes school and work not dream of car till s/he become director, principal or whatever with access to bulky imprest?
In india, consciousness and efforts are geared towards affordable cars. We hear of Suzuki & Maruti Altos, Tata Nano.
fhemmy & others should admit that even in almighty Japan, we have category of cars called kei cars with engine capacity below 1L. some 0.3L, 0.6L, 0.8L
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Alto
These cars are cheap and meant for the masses and middle income category.
In Nigeria, persons with expenditure capacity of millions are RICH.
So I am tired of this standard of dismissing sincere and honest 9jerians with 200k, 300k, etc as unfit for car ownership.
Lets promote this Vehicles here in Nigeria please - that is what our standard of living warrants. It was so in Europe after world war 2, cheap cars were promoted. White men dont manufacture cars with our income situation in Mind
Airbags & Other Options - for most part of car history, men drove cars without airbags, so if cheaper cars are available without airbags, it is still good. It is better than trekking under rain/flooded street with cover shoes to work/market - or is it not true?
I don't welcome this mentality in NL - that you buy good toks for 4m or so or else trek
A businessman should come up with 200,000.COM - a platform where sellers and buyers of used cars at that price should meet and transact - it is just and idea
Summary: Yes we can get a car at cheap prices if we think and drive towards it, it is possible engineering-wise and business-wise.
More arguments welcomed

akanxpress:

I appreciate that good cars cost fortunes and that the brand new ones brought into 9ja are stripped down versions, but the recurring issues in this thread that has not been identified is - Most 9jarians in alll their life never have up to Millions to afford these vehicles and Gov't is banning motobiles - like here in Uyo. Any idea that fingers prices of vehicles imported (new or toks ) as costly is spurred by Cars Dealers/Importers.
Must 9jerians continue to spend their lives watching thieving politicians, government and top business tycoons as the only fellows worthy of owing cars?
Should an average graduate that finishes school and work not dream of car till s/he become director, principal or whatever with access to bulky imprest?
In india, consciousness and efforts are geared towards affordable cars. We hear of Suzuki & Maruti Altos, Tata Nano.
fhemmy & others should admit that even in almighty Japan, we have category of cars called kei cars with engine capacity below 1L.  some 0.3L, 0.6L, 0.8L
see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Alto
These cars are cheap and meant for the masses and middle income category.
In Nigeria, persons with expenditure capacity of millions are RICH.
So I am tired of this standard of dismissing sincere and honest 9jerians with 200k, 300k, etc as unfit for car ownership.
Lets promote this Vehicles here in Nigeria please - that is what our standard of living warrants. It was so in Europe after world war 2, cheap cars were promoted. White men dont manufacture cars with our income situation in Mind
Airbags & Other Options - for most part of car history, men drove cars without airbags, so if cheaper cars are available without airbags, it is still good. It is better than trekking under rain/flooded street with cover shoes to work/market - or is it not true?
I don't welcome this mentality in NL  - that you buy good toks for 4m or so or else trek
A businessman should come up with 200,000.COM - a platform where sellers and buyers of used cars at that price should meet and transact - it is just and idea
Summary: Yes we can get a car at cheap prices if we think and drive towards it, it is possible engineering-wise and business-wise.
More arguments welcomed

Sicherheit:

While I understand what you are saying and in a perfect world, it would work but let's ask ourselves this - How many Nigerian car buyers want to buy those cheap cars? They all want Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Acura, BMW and other big names cars. The dealers can promote and promote until the can promote no more, if the buyers don't want it they won't buy it. Until the buyers stop reaching for the stars with their meager budgets, they will continue to be dismissed.

seal777:

@phemmmy,

You got my curiosity when you mentioned Nigerian Mechanics and V6 / 4 cylinder engines. I had the same experience when buying my first car but
went against my mechanics advice to get the V6 Camry and the experience is out of this world.

Doubt if i can ever drive a car less than 6 cylinder upward, its an awesome driving experience.

Its a choice, u like it ; U GO FOR IT.

lagerwhenindoubt:
I have been trying to land a sweet car purchase deal on Nairaland but have been discouraged for the following reason, Toks cars shipped from abroad are way too expensive (especially when they carry a valid VIN with a Clean title) it seems better to get a Nigerian-used that you have checked yourself.

I have noticed most car adverts that do not carry mileages are actually between 60,000km to 150,000km when i come for inspection and the dealer is not willing to reduce pricing based on mileage. I usually get the argument that it was neatly used and has no problem whatsoever as long as i maintain it well.


I recently went online to calculate the distance between Lagos and Kaduna by road - it is an impressive 729.62 km to 802.06 km if you start from Toll-gate -> Sagamu -> Ibadan -> Oyo -> Ogbomosho -> Illorin -> Jebba -> Bida ->Abuja FCT -> Kaduna

http://distancecalculator.himmera.com/driving_distance_from-kaduna_to_lagos_between_road_direction-8387.html

A car with mileage of 70,000km will need to have travel 88 trips (44 times back and forth) between Lagos and Kaduna  Imagine how many trips a car with 150,000km has done and yet the price from the dealer will refuse to move from N2.2M.

I disagree that the inner and outer neat appearance of a car is not enough to justify a high mileage+high price on a car. Mileage will definitely have negative impact on the car's engine which is the most important part of the car.

I need to know why some dealers do not consider a high mileage a good enough reason to drop their (High) price. are there any other factors that reveal why one should accept a car with very high mileage?

Please I am interested in your views
Thank you

Fhemmmy:


[b]I do appreciate your honest write-up . . . . takes a great mind to think great.
Yes, in China there are categories of cars, but guess what . . . . Chinese manufactures those rides and dont have to import much of them.
Yes, in India there are categories of cars, but guess what . . . . Indian manufactures those rides and dont have to import much of them.
Even in South Africa, they are able to enjoy more.
Sometimes last year, the Ghanaian govt was throwing a curve ball to that vehicle manufacturing plant in Nnewi with some good deals to move to Ghana . . . why cos they know they will be able to enjoy it and improve on it.

But what is our own good nation doing ? - Nothing . . . have you ever wonder why they doing nothing? it is all cos we have the masses that just like to suffer and yet smiles, i saw the pix on politics section yesterday of some guys with flooded homes and yet take pics and displaying peace fingers, some were even drinking beers and having fun . . . that is the kinda nation that we have,[/b] Now lemme address the issue of how come people cant get a car of 300K Naira.

Nigeria do not produce, we only consumes.
1$ = 161 Naira
300,000 Naira is a lot of money, cos how many hard working citizen could boast of that, so please note that i duff my hat to those that have it and i do have so much respect for such people, however, the 300K Naira is only 1864$$, now let us break it down.

Let us assume we buy the ride for only X$$
We ship and pay for CTN fee = 1300$$
We will transport the ride to the port for like 300$$ Minimum
Send the BOL to Nigeria = 100$
Transfer cost of the money to Yankee or Canada = 150$$ cos the amount is little.
So far, we have spent 1850$$ and now we have 14$$ left to buy the ride and to clear the ride.

We dont deal with Cotonue at all, cos we dont have time for the smuggling that goes on there, and we like to give the best to our clients, so clearing of any ride from the Nigerian Port will be 230,000$$ which is even the whole budget of 300K Naira.

So tell me, how much would we have to buy the ride, i mean how much would the X$ above equate to, even if get the ride for free, we will still not be able to handle such budget . . . . . .

Mind you, we are in business to make money and make a living, and with all my above analysis, we are yet to account for my own profit on commission.

So help us beg the govt to send $$ back to 120N to 1$$, that will help the business.
Help us beg the govt to reduce the cost of clearing, there is not reason why one have to pay 230K to clear a 1996 Camry . . that is pathetic.
Help us beg the govt to get rid of the CTN fees.
Help us beg the govt to do something and not just get paid and have fun at the mercy of yours and mine.

So at the end of the day, i can see the day that Nigerians will arise and say enough is enough . . . MUBARAK never knew the day would come.