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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by 1Sharon(f): 11:51am On May 31, 2020
AntiChristian:


Sorry atheist!

Sorry abeed!

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Gaggii: 12:10pm On May 31, 2020
MightySparrow:
If the Imams are talking trash to whom else does one look for islamic education?

That's why I said give me the evidence....

I don't believe that any imam said that
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 9:51am On Jun 01, 2020
CodeTemplar:
o you don't turn Christian abi ?

Christian my foot!
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 10:11am On Jun 01, 2020
sagenaija:
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I'm pointing out to you that there's still so much more confusion in Islam. And I can see that you're running away from them.

Is it that there's no confusion in Christianity?
Hypocrisy is when you can't see beyond your nose and claim to know about Islam.
Your type of Christianity is determined by the Church you attend. The Jehovah witness' doctrine is different from that of Catholic which is different from Anglicans, Methodist, Presbyterian and the other thousands of denominations available.

Apart from Trinitarian Christians we also have the Unitarian Christians!

Despite all the different doctrines all lay Claim to the New & Old Testament.

[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics and Baptists and Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem and maybe a few more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7.

But here Jesus asked but was not given!

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by sagenaija: 6:21pm On Jun 02, 2020
AntiChristian:


Is it that there's no confusion in Christianity?
Hypocrisy is when you can't see beyond your nose and claim to know about Islam.
Your type of Christianity is determined by the Church you attend. The Jehovah witness' doctrine is different from that of Catholic which is different from Anglicans, Methodist, Presbyterian and the other thousands of denominations available.

Apart from Trinitarian Christians we also have the Unitarian Christians!

Despite all the different doctrines all lay Claim to the New & Old Testament.

[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics and Baptists and Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem and maybe a few more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7.

But here Jesus asked but was not given!

But we ALL believe in JEHOVAH!
Liturgy may vary AND are nonessential; we have one essential and unifying factor - JEHOVAH.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 1:04pm On Jun 03, 2020
sagenaija:
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But we ALL believe in JEHOVAH!
Liturgy may vary AND are nonessential; we have one essential and unifying factor - JEHOVAH.

Why lie again?

Can Catholics pray in Celestial Churches or Cherubim?

Even Protestants dey dislike Catholics way of worship!

More so Unitarian Christians believe Jesus is not divine!

Hmmm! lipsrsealed
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by sagenaija: 5:25pm On Jun 03, 2020
AntiChristian:


Why lie again?

Can Catholics pray in Celestial Churches or Cherubim?

Even Protestants dey dislike Catholics way of worship!

More so Unitarian Christians believe Jesus is not divine!

Hmmm! lipsrsealed
Please clearly state the lie in what I wrote or we take you as the liar and deceiver.
Notice I said IN WHAT I WROTE.
Not in what you make up.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 8:59am On Jun 04, 2020
sagenaija:

Please clearly state the lie in what I wrote or we take you as the liar and deceiver.
Notice I said IN WHAT I WROTE.
Not in what you make up.

Here is your lie in bold!
Liturgy may vary AND are nonessential; we have one essential and unifying factor - JEHOVAH.

The Lord Chosen will claim they are the chosen one!

Jehovah witness too believe only them are saved.

The Unitarian Christians believe the trinitarians are seriously confusedin their doctines!

And the rancour btw a Catholic and an Anglican will never end on earth!

So saying "Liturgy may vary and are nonessential" is calling bluff of other Christian denominations mode worship.

Can Protestants genuflect for the graven image of Jesus/Mary as the Catholics do? Is this nonessentials to the Catholics?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by sagenaija: 9:21am On Jun 04, 2020
AntiChristian:


Here is your lie in bold!
Liturgy may vary AND are nonessential; we have one essential and unifying factor - JEHOVAH.

The Lord Chosen will claim they are the chosen one!

Jehovah witness too believe only them are saved.

The Unitarian Christians believe the trinitarians are seriously confusedin their doctines!

And the rancour btw a Catholic and an Anglican will never end on earth!

So saying "Liturgy may vary and are nonessential" is calling bluff of other Christian denominations mode worship.

Can Protestants genuflect for the graven image of Jesus/Mary as the Catholics do? Is this nonessentials to the Catholics?


If we say you lack some ... ...
you will start complaining.

Does any of the groups you mention DENY that they have allegiance to JEHOVAH?

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Nobody: 6:47am On Aug 04, 2020
Wait o antichristian what is jinns? you said muhammad was sent to jinns, who are they?...sounds like what some superstitous 6th century arabs would say.
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Nobody: 7:07am On Aug 04, 2020
ayshacom:
Mr Man read the history of Arabs before Muhammad (S.A.W) there was killing, tribal feud in the land for centuries. It was Muhammed (SAW) who United them. The Jews he lived with in medina cannot bring conciliation btw the Arabs fighting at the time.They took side and benefit from the blood money just as we are seeing it today. I cannot argue with you that some misinformed Muslims have taken arms in the name of religion and cause more harm to the islam and the Muslims than any other. Western media concentrate their political activities in the middle east where islam is the majority and bring biased information about islam all over the world. Every criminal is a muslim inspired by prophet Muhammad to conduct his atrocities, that is a lie. If you want to understand islam find knowledgeables in Islam and question them, I'm sure they will satisfy your curiosity. Don't defend on your hatred of Islam just because you are a Christian or even an atheist, neither defend on Western media who will never like Islam to judge muslims..






Mr man kiss the truth. There has always been feuds among humans over control of scarce resources all over the world before islam, the only thing muhammad did was to create a political cum religious cult called islam under one rulership to fight those who do not belong to this cult. How esle did islam spread over the middle-east to africa and europe so fast without violence? Do you know north africa was dominated by christianity around the time of muhammad? How did that change without violence? And you say some misguided muslims? Funny. When and how did slavery stop in islamic world?
The only harm the west has done to islam is bringing a halt to your violent campaigns and the spread of information, islamic extremists would have taken over the whole subsaharan africa by now. And you have one who calls himself "antichristian", who do you think is the antichrist? what is jizya? Would islam take over the world some day?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 8:25am On Aug 04, 2020
veeshock:
Wait o antichristian what is jinns? you said muhammad was sent to jinns, who are they?...sounds like what some superstitous 6th century arabs would say.

Jinns are unseen creations of Allah apart from Angels and humans. They usually live longer and are capable of powerful feats than human. They possess thinking faculty and can procreate like humans. They see us but we don't see them. Humans can be possessed by them.

Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) was sent to Mankind and Jinns!
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Nobody: 8:26am On Aug 04, 2020
AntiChristian:


Jinns are unseen creations of Allah apart from Angels and humans. They usually live longer and are capable of powerful feats than human. They possess thinking faculty and can procreate like humans. They see us but we don't see them. Humans can be possessed by them.

Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) was sent to Mankind and Jinns!
More like aliens right? Thats some middle-east superstition mr man, just like your belief in date palms, your hadith says eating 7 dates every morning protects from charms and poison...superstitions.
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Samunique(m): 8:59am On Aug 04, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Lol....

Islam is the product of abandonment and is a human conjured religion. That explains their many falsehood and illogicalities like:
a flat earth.
a carnal prophet.
a flawed vengeance system.
a flawed testament arrangement.
a contradictory account of Jesus.
a mad focus on Christians (which indicates envy)

an acknowledgement of Christianity.
a dependence on donkey urine instead of technological advancement.



The highlighted really nailed it !!!

The canality of that man is second to none !!!

From marrying a 6yrs toddler, to snatching his adopted son's wife. And afterwards, another wonderful revelation was released to justify his shameful act.


Lastly when u study Qur'an you'll understand why there can never be peace between lslam, Christians and the Jews.
It's like allah designed Islam for that purpose only, to crush the people he had previously loved .

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Nobody: 11:42am On Aug 04, 2020
Samunique:




The highlighted really nailed it !!!

The canality of that man is second to none !!!

From marrying a 6yrs toddler, to snatching his adopted son's wife. And afterwards, another wonderful revelation was released to justify his shameful act.


Lastly when u study Qur'an you'll understand why there can never be peace between lslam, Christians and the Jews.
It's like allah designed Islam for that purpose only, to crush the people he had previously loved .

Including marrying about 13 women, far more than the 4 he claimed was prescribed for muslims, besides other slaves "he was also permitted" to have sex with.
Its really strange how these guys dont see him for he who actually was. From what we know about ocultic religious groups and their founders there is almost always that high sexual theme, delusions, hallucinations, violence...same with this so called prophet according to their own hadiths, but they never see the facts staring plainly at them...and you wonder why their god is called the greatest of all deceivers....sent to deceive men such that a third of the world is lost.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 3:23pm On Aug 04, 2020
veeshock:

More like aliens right? Thats some middle-east superstition mr man, just like your belief in date palms, your hadith says eating 7 dates every morning protects from charms and poison...superstitions.

Not aliens. Jins live among us and everywhere. Satan is of their kind. Satan is not an Angel as Angels follow the will of their Lord only.
Call it anything you like. We beileve it entirely.
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 3:37pm On Aug 04, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Lol....

Islam is the product of abandonment and is a human conjured religion. That explains their many falsehood and illogicalities like:
a flat earth.
a carnal prophet.
a flawed vengeance system.
a flawed testament arrangement.
a contradictory account of Jesus.
a mad focus on Christians (which indicates envy)
an acknowledgement of Christianity.
a dependence on donkey urine instead of technological advancement.

Can you state clear evidence for all these claims from the Qur'an or Authentic Sunnah?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Samunique(m): 3:37pm On Aug 04, 2020
veeshock:

Including marrying about 13 women, far more than the 4 he claimed was prescribed for muslims, besides other slaves "he was also permitted" to have sex with.
Its really strange how these guys dont see him for he who actually was. From what we know about ocultic religious groups and their founders there is almost always that high sexual theme, delusions, hallucinations, violence...same with this so called prophet according to their own hadiths, but they never see the facts staring plainly at them...and you wonder why their god is called the greatest of all deceivers....sent to deceive men such that a third of the world is lost.

The answer to the highlighted is this...

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Lastly, I think Islam as a religion is more political, an ideaology that's designed for conquest, subjugation and expansionism. And the Arab understand this game very well.
That's why it has always been upheld by the sword and strong political movements.
The Muslims want to get to power wherever they find themselves and manipulate the system to favour the advancement of Islam. Remove politics and sword from Islam, Islam will will crash.

And more so, if u call it occultic you may also be right, bcs any group or religion you cannot leave at your own will without any treath of being killed is highly occultic, demonic and satanic.

It's well known that the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death.

So what do will call that ?

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by CodeTemplar: 5:18pm On Aug 04, 2020
AntiChristian:


Can you state clear evidence for all these claims from the Qur'an or Authentic Sunnah?
Can non muslims understand the Quran? Please get lost . . .
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AustineJohn908(m): 11:25pm On Aug 04, 2020
AntiChristian:


Please keep mute since you are not the OP.
I am only facing the OP in this. I think I told you to create your thread!

Your Bible says Isaac was sacrificed while we believe it was Ishmael. So there's a lot of difference in our beliefs.
Can you add me up on WhatsApp? I will like to ask you some things about Islam.
08185808733
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by dragunov: 11:47pm On Aug 04, 2020
AntiChristian:


Praise be to Allah who granted us intellect And may the peace and Blessings of Allah be on Muhammad, Jesus and other Prophets of Allah!

To the claim above, the world we see today were not as it was thousands of years ago! In Islamic tradition, when Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to the Arab land, the land was devoid of humans except travellers who stopped by. Abraham built the sacred house with Ishmael. The Zam Zam water was found. Gradually people started settling there. Ishmael got married and the Arab nation was established.

Abraham had two sons in Isaac and Ishmael. All Prophets till Jesus came from Isaac. However Muhammad came from Ishmael's lineage. The Arabs were predominantly idol worshipers before Muhammad's Prophethood. This is similar to Noah's/Abraham's people who were idolators...

For the Gospel Discrepancies of Jesus' Crucifixion you may go to https://www.nairaland.com/5891855/gospel-discrepancies-jesus-crucifixion

Will update later.....



Niggah, M'hamed wasn't a prophet. He was a lot of things but a prophet.

Do you know that this sand niggah was sponsored by Roman Catholics to prevent Arabs from getting the real gospel preached to them? He was raised up to stop the teachings of Christ as opposed to Christianity which had morphed into a monstrous chimera over the millennia. And they succeeded. But just for a time because religion is about to capitulate so that Yah's kingdom can be replicated on earth.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Kobojunkie: 4:59am On Aug 05, 2020
1Sharon:
What do you mean kept close monitoring with Israel? Allah hates the Jews.
And Allah and Yahweh are completely different deities.
I noted that same the other day but someone took offense to it. undecided
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 8:38am On Aug 05, 2020
dragunov:


Niggah, M'hamed wasn't a prophet. He was a lot of things but a prophet.

Do you know that this sand niggah was sponsored by Roman Catholics to prevent Arabs from getting the real gospel preached to them? He was raised up to stop the teachings of Christ as opposed to Christianity which had morphed into a monstrous chimera over the millennia. And they succeeded. But just for a time because religion is about to capitulate so that Yah's kingdom can be replicated on earth.

grin, Which weed are you on? Where did Yah give you Christianity as your religion? grin

Where is your reference for all this?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 8:40am On Aug 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Can non muslims understand the Quran? Please get lost . . .

So you made claims you can't substantiate?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by CodeTemplar: 8:51am On Aug 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


So you made claims you can't substantiate?
Can you substantiate where your Allah mandate you to hijack road and use them
for prayers or dent the existence of such?
I can see you want to feign ignorance then start an argument that's why I avoided you stupid questions.

Keep denying muslims arent killing because of their Quran, that they don't block roads, that you prophet isn't carnal, that they didn't acknowledge Christians or focus on them?

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 8:54am On Aug 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:

Can you substantiate where your Allah mandate you to hijack road and use them
for prayers or dent the existence of such?
I can see you want to feign ignorance then start an argument that's why I avoided you stupid questions.

Keep denying muslims arent killing because of their Quran, that they don't block roads, that you prophet isn't carnal, that they didn't acknowledge Christians or focus on them?

You made a claim which you have no proof of. OK blocking roads is bad and the authorities should see that is stopped both in Christianity and Islam.

Where are the proofs of your claims?
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by CodeTemplar: 9:08am On Aug 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


You made a claim which you have no proof of. [b]OK blocking roads is bad and the authorities should see that is stopped both in Christianity and Islam.

[/b]Where are the proofs of your claims?
How can I guote a book you guys already say I cannot understand? That's the issue.

Christians don't block roads by the way. Vehicular traffic is different from human obstruction. Use what Jehovah gave you

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by AntiChristian: 12:33pm On Aug 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
How can I guote a book you guys already say I cannot understand? That's the issue.

Christians don't block roads by the way. Vehicular traffic is different from human obstruction. Use what Jehovah gave you

Don't give excuse please! Everyone one knows what mostly blocks the lagos-ibadan expressway!

So since you can't understand it why draw conclusion from it? And most of what you brought can be traced to your Bible!
Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by Nobody: 12:41pm On Aug 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Not aliens. Jins live among us and everywhere. Satan is of their kind. Satan is not an Angel as Angels follow the will of their Lord only.
Call it anything you like. We beileve it entirely.
Go study preislamic arabian beliefs or even indian culture and you'l see where your jinn story originated from; same thing with some apocrypha gospels which were common in arabia during the time of Muhammad like the gospel of Thomas, some of their stories ended up in your quran. How do you think it happened? Divine revelation and not copy and paste right?
Thr obvious thing is mecca was a major town where traders from different background often met, you cant say Muhammad never heard of all those things in his 40years stay in mecca.
The one you always run from is the fact your hadith describes muhammad as one who was clearly hallucinating about sex at some point, which was claimed to be the doing of a jewish sorcerer(I wonder what would make a sorcerer choose sex of all possible things) and this is supposed to be The most special prophet of an Almighty God? bewitched to be hallucinating?? Delusion He was also said to often have sex with all his wives in a single night(that amount of energy and sex drive comes from...have you seen a maniac?) Again, your quran which claims to be infallible is riddled with statements which are not exactly correct. Coupled with the confabulations copied from elsewhere above. All these put together(unless im wrong) dont spell out a divine prophet but a bipolar maniac that acts normal sometimes but a few other times.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by CodeTemplar: 12:46pm On Aug 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Don't give excuse please! Everyone one knows what mostly blocks the lagos-ibadan expressway!

So since you can't understand it why draw conclusion from it? And most of what you brought can be traced to your Bible!
Illiteracy and your inclination are synonymous so I can understand your situation. Vehicular traffic overwhelming a road is different from deliberate obstruction of vehicular traffic by terrorists.

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Re: My Confusion About The Claims of Islam by haekymbahd(m): 6:34pm On Aug 05, 2020
MightySparrow:
After the death of both Abraham and Ishmael, God (Yaweh or Allah) abandoned Arabs for several millenia (3000 - 4000) years no prophet of record from them until mohammed(SAW).
Mohammed (SAW) came 570 years and started his prophetic career about 40 years later. He then rewrote the history of Israel who themselves have written records. For example, the story of jesus' crucifiction is denied let alone his resurrection. Yet, this was not only circulated at that time and now, it is fact on the pages of history books except the Quran. the Quran claims that someone else was crucified in place of Jesus, who then resurrected? During the abandonment of Arabs who were they worshpping and why were they abandoned at all?
I think you should ask yahwe this question

Deutronomy 18:18
18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

Note the word "them" and "their"

Brethen (brother) isrelites and ishmaelites

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