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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by horlorbah(m): 11:59pm On Oct 18, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by QSFemi(m): 6:52am On Oct 19, 2020
Good morning.
A range of 6m to 12m depending on your choices.


horlorbah:
Good day house. Please I would like to know the amount that will be needed to complete a 3 bedroom bungalow with basic finishing (No POP and borehole yet). It's a dry land. Thanks
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dijita: 7:33am On Oct 19, 2020
diordaves:


This may not be economically correct. Your single-dwelling reasoning breaks down completely when weighed against the concept of marginal cost of production. So what is marginal cost? In economics we define marginal cost as the change in the total cost that arises when the quantity produced is incremented by one unit. That is saying the cost added by producing one additional unit of a product or service.

Lets conceptualise this by some real production example. So for example, now that Christmas is upon us, you were contracted to supply Christmas hamper to a company. If the initial cost of producing the first hamper is N10,000, the per unit cost is N10,000. If the marginal cost of producing one additional unit is lower than the per-unit price, the producer has the potential to gain a profit. Now due to the benefit of economy of scale, if the per unit cost of producing 10 hampers is N9,000, there is the insentive to produce more hampers because the more you produce, the cheaper it gets. Now what has this to do with building vertically or building horizontally? Plenty.

To bring this in lets settled for some simplifying assumptions:

We will assume that the total cost of building a two wing 2 bedroom unit is N5,000,000.

We will again assume that the cost of decking the unit is N3,000,000.

At this stage the magic of the concept of marginal cost sets in.

To build horizontally, the marginal cost of building the next unit is N5,000,000 with a total cost of N10,000,000. This is very clear, the investor needs to find another N5m and build the next unit and he has invested a total of N10m in the same plot of land.

But to build vertically, the analysis changes drastically as the investor needs to find an additional N3m for decking and if to go by your three floors reasoning, the investor need to find yet another N3m to deck the 'top' of the unit. So to achieve the same unit in your single-dwelling concept, the investor will use N11,000,000 to achieve the next unit that N5m would have achieved with a horizontal concept.

It is cheaper to build horizontally than vertically. It is only advisable to build vertically if the land will cost an arm and a leg as a result of location and the budget is big, real big.


While I agree with your last sentence I believe marginal cost is the wrong tool.
To use your assumption of Christmas hamper. Will you be using MC analysis if you have the option to produce one unit of 5kg of hamper or 5 units of 1kg hamper? If you do and all things are equal it will be cheaper to produce one 5kg than 5 units of one kg

The analysis is to determine the lowest cost option for building of 6units of 2 bedroom flats vertically or horizontally
You assumed the cost of building 2units of 2bedroom to be 5million.
you assumed that the cost of decking will be 3million
Your assumptions implied that building horizontally will cost the investor #15million for the 3 units and vertically will cost the investor #15million plus #6million naira for decking.
Your analysis appears not to take the following into consideration:
A. the horizontal occupied additional 2 space of land even if it is half plot each you have to include it in your comparison let say the two spaces are 500k each that is #1million
B. the foundation cost for each of the two houses. let say 500k each. because the cost of foundation for vertical is higher than horizontal we will credit #500 as saving to the vertical option
C. if the cost of one horizontal is #5million with its roof. the cost of level one and two of vertical cannot be #5million. they do not have roof. the decking is their roof. if we assume #2.5million for roofing and celling cost that is #5million credit for the vertical.

Marginal cost is not an applicable concept when you are deciding on the production of small units or large units. MC is the cost of producing additional units of same product. In production economics, product of different sizes are not consider to be the same. Hence, vertical and horizontal building are different products. To make decision on the production of product A or B you use the total cost of production. which is what some of us are doing when we decide to build 4bedrooms bungalow instead of a duplex

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 7:51am On Oct 19, 2020
horlorbah:
Good day house. Please I would like to know the amount that will be needed to complete a 3 bedroom bungalow with basic finishing (No POP and borehole yet). It's a dry land. Thanks

N3M to N5M in Ibadan suburbs.

But you’ll have to supply materials and be involved. You can do this in four to six weeks if money is ready.

Good luck.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 7:56am On Oct 19, 2020
coldcandy:
Any fabricator of frameless casement windows here?

These are the best things I’ve seen this year real estate wise.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by horlorbah(m): 8:12am On Oct 19, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by horlorbah(m): 8:12am On Oct 19, 2020
EgunMogaji2:


N3M to N5M in Ibadan suburbs.

But you’ll have to supply materials and be involved. You can do this in four to six weeks if money is ready.

Good luck.
Thanks sir

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 8:21am On Oct 19, 2020
kopell:
Hello rotecth I didn't see burglary on the windows, is it safe in the Nigerian environment?, or I did not have my glasses on to notice it?

This my client forbade us from putting burlgary-proof on his project regardless of the security situation in the country

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 8:25am On Oct 19, 2020
horlorbah:
Good day house. Please I would like to know the amount that will be needed to complete a 3 bedroom bungalow with basic finishing (No POP and borehole yet). It's a dry land. Thanks

5 million naira upwards depending on size, location and preferences.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by soonest(f): 8:34am On Oct 19, 2020
KolaShangOne:


This my client forbade us from putting burlgary-proof on his project regardless of the security situation in the country

He's likely to use spiritual burglary proof

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 8:36am On Oct 19, 2020
KolaShangOne:


This my client forbade us from putting burlgary-proof on his project regardless of the security situation in the country

Those windows are 4” x 4” abi?

On burglary, the way they’re installed makes it easy to be removed in seconds.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chimexdnice1(m): 8:45am On Oct 19, 2020
Good day everyone. Please I would like to know the difference, or rather which one is better, between itara and kokogbo hardwood? My capenter prefers the later as opposed to my choice. Please advise. Thank you.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Johntemmy(m): 8:52am On Oct 19, 2020
chimexdnice1:
Good day everyone. Please I would like to know the difference, or rather which one is better, between itara and kokogbo hardwood? My capenter prefers the later as opposed to my choice. Please advise. Thank you.

there both Good strong and dependable

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by write2obi(m): 8:58am On Oct 19, 2020
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What exactly would you like to know about vinyl floors?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 10:29am On Oct 19, 2020
Good morning

We are still here for your electrical, Cctv whole house audio, electric fence installations

Check our thread for installations pictures and review

https://www.nairaland.com/5681155/electrical-audio-system-cctv-fire
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by coldcandy: 10:52am On Oct 19, 2020
Adedward:
yah boss we are here sir, what do u have for us pls,

I have plenty for you grin.
But post some pictures or a link to some previous installations first.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by NickJohnson54(m): 10:55am On Oct 19, 2020
twinskenny:
Good morning

We are still here for your electrical, Cctv whole house audio, electric fence installations

Check our thread for installations pictures and review

https://www.nairaland.com/5681155/electrical-audio-system-cctv-board

Looking for electric fence installation service in Boston.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jumyg: 11:44am On Oct 19, 2020
raymondFirstborn:


If damp proof membrane isn't used used during german floor, you might experience rising damp.

Please how can this be resloved.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by horlorbah(m): 11:46am On Oct 19, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 11:52am On Oct 19, 2020
NickJohnson54:


Looking for electric fence installation service in Boston.
boston usa?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 11:55am On Oct 19, 2020
twinskenny:
boston usa?

International work is ringing bell “ sir kenny go and dust your ”Palii “ alele” USA yaa”

When you get there you will enjoy
Good health system.
Education
Opportunities
Low crime rate
Etc

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Adedward(m): 2:03pm On Oct 19, 2020
coldcandy:


I have plenty for you grin.
But post some pictures or a link to some previous installations first.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Focusmind: 2:31pm On Oct 19, 2020
KolaShangOne:


This my client forbade us from putting burlgary-proof on his project regardless of the security situation in the country

I detest burglary on windows. It takes away the finesse and the beauty of the window area.

Just as Egun said, a determined armed robber could easily take down the burglaries. See how beautiful the windows are looking. Install these big burglaries and look at the windows again cheesy

I want to see a crystal clear windows with live flower cups or pots rather than looking at a prison-like burglary and thick nets. Our peculiar situation and circumstances in Nigeria is one of the reasons the interior of our homes are not that all eye catching.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by saydfact(m): 2:40pm On Oct 19, 2020
write2obi:

What exactly would you like to know about vinyl floors?

thanks, i wanted to buy actually
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chimexdnice1(m): 3:12pm On Oct 19, 2020
Thank you very much
Johntemmy:


there both Good strong and dependable
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 3:22pm On Oct 19, 2020
Focusmind:


I detest burglary on windows. It takes away the finesse and the beauty of the window area.

Just as Egun said, a determined armed robber could easily take down the burglaries. See how beautiful the windows are looking. Install these big burglaries and look at the windows again cheesy

I want to see a crystal clear windows with live flower cups or pots rather than looking at a prison-like burglary and thick nets. Our peculiar situation and circumstances in Nigeria is one of the reasons the interior of our homes are not that all eye catching.

Back in the USA I had a different idea of what living in Nigeria was all about. I’m wiser now. I think.

I have direct experiences.

Thief: A close neighbor said it took about a minute and a half for the thief to be inside his bedroom via the window with burglary. There are various types and sizes of metal used for burglary. There’s hollow and there’s solid. There’re small size and big size. In my humble opinion if you’re not using solid in big size then it’s a waste of money.

Fire: I’ve watched two houses burn to the ground here in Ibadan. Fire trucks eventually arrived but well after the damage has been done. If anyone was home they’ll have died from the noxious fumes. I don’t think our government tests building and furnishings for release of dangerous fumes in the houses.

I have burglary in my BQ. I’m not sure if I’ll have burglary on my main house.

I really wish that Nigeria would adopt liberal gun laws like we have in the USA. I also wish that we have a Castle Doctrine.

What I have now is a staggered level of increasingly high levels of defense.

Level 1: High fence topped with razor wife. A casual thief will move to a softer target but a determined one will simply cut and slide them to one side.

Level 2: My Dobermans. I was all giddy as they grew up into terrifying defense animals but saddened to hear of dogs being jazzed to sleep during robberies. Mine will only eat food from their plate. Not food tossed over the fence.

Level 3: Burglary at the windows and allegedly armored entry door. Well I now know the burglary bars are a wishful item and sledgehammers made quick work of a similar door. Also folks have said homeowners end up opening doors for the thieves anyway.

Level 4: Safe room. If all else fails then it’s to hide in the safe room. It’s hidden but they’ll eventually find it.

Level 5: Last resort is the scorched earth defense. We die here. My lips are sealed. grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Johntemmy(m): 3:31pm On Oct 19, 2020
chimexdnice1:
Thank you very much
you welcome sir.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Focusmind: 3:36pm On Oct 19, 2020
EgunMogaji2:


Back in the USA I had a different idea of what living in Nigeria was all about. I’m wiser now. I think.

I have direct experiences.

Thief: A close neighbor said it took about a minute and a half for the thief to be inside his bedroom via the window with burglary. There are various types and sizes of metal used for burglary. There’s hollow and there’s solid. There’re small size and big size. In my humble opinion if you’re not using solid in big size then it’s a waste of money.

Fire: I’ve watched two houses burn to the ground here in Ibadan. Fire trucks eventually arrived but well after the damage has been done. If anyone was home they’ll have died from the noxious fumes. I don’t think our government tests building and furnishings for release of dangerous fumes in the houses.

I have burglary in my BQ. I’m not sure if I’ll have burglary on my main house.

I reall with that Nigeria would adopt liberal gun laws like we have a n the USA. I also wish that we have a Castle Doctrine.

What I have now is a staggered level of increasingly high levels of defense.

Level 1: High fence topped with razor wife. A casual thief will move to a softer target but a determined one will simply cut and slide them to one side.

Level 2: My Dobermans. I was all giddy as they grew up into terrifying defense animals but saddened to hear of dogs being jazzed to sleep during robberies.

Level 3: Burglary at the windows and allegedly armored entry door. Well I now know the burglary bars are a wishful item and sledgehammers made quick work of a similar door. Also folks have said homeowners end up opening doors for the thieves anyway.

Level 4: Safe room. If all else fails the. It’s to hide in the safe room. It’s hidden but they’ll eventually find it.

Level 5: Last resort is the scorched earth defense. My lips are sealed. grin


Baba is well prepared. Honestly, if you are not game with the strong iron bars, all those ones that comes with the windows are rubbish. Even me myself can pull out those empty pipes.

May be the burglary is for petty thieves. Hardened and determined armed rubber knows no boundary. I saw where they used plier to clip off and brought down an entire barbed wire mesh on the fence and climbed over and into the compound.

But for gun liberalisation, hmmm!! We will be having dead bodies on the road every day.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 3:54pm On Oct 19, 2020
Focusmind:


Baba is well prepared. Honestly, if you are not game with the strong iron bars, all those ones that comes with the windows are rubbish. Even me myself can pull out those empty pipes.

May be the burglary is for petty thieves. Hardened and determined armed rubber knows no boundary. I saw where they used plier to clip off and brought down an entire barbed wire mesh on the fence and climbed over and into the compound.

But for gun liberalisation, hmmm!! We will be having dead bodies on the road every day.

The criminals don’t care about laws and they already have their guns. It’s only legally minded folks that want the laws.

My cheapest handgun is over $1,000, I’m not sure that many Nigerians have N469,000 for a firearm.

Bullets are also not cheap and just because we have right to carry doesn’t mean that brandishing a gun, armed robberies, etc are still not against the law.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 5:02pm On Oct 19, 2020
rotecch77:


International work is ringing bell “ sir kenny go and dust your ”Palii “ alele” USA yaa”

When you get there you will enjoy
Good health system.
Education
Opportunities
Low crime rate
Etc

Yes o Baba na the movement
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AngelicBeing: 5:40pm On Oct 19, 2020
EgunMogaji2:


Back in the USA I had a different idea of what living in Nigeria was all about. I’m wiser now. I think.

I have direct experiences.

Thief: A close neighbor said it took about a minute and a half for the thief to be inside his bedroom via the window with burglary. There are various types and sizes of metal used for burglary. There’s hollow and there’s solid. There’re small size and big size. In my humble opinion if you’re not using solid in big size then it’s a waste of money.

Fire: I’ve watched two houses burn to the ground here in Ibadan. Fire trucks eventually arrived but well after the damage has been done. If anyone was home they’ll have died from the noxious fumes. I don’t think our government tests building and furnishings for release of dangerous fumes in the houses.

I have burglary in my BQ. I’m not sure if I’ll have burglary on my main house.

I reall with that Nigeria would adopt liberal gun laws like we have a n the USA. I also wish that we have a Castle Doctrine.

What I have now is a staggered level of increasingly high levels of defense.

Level 1: High fence topped with razor wife. A casual thief will move to a softer target but a determined one will simply cut and slide them to one side.

Level 2: My Dobermans. I was all giddy as they grew up into terrifying defense animals but saddened to hear of dogs being jazzed to sleep during robberies.

Level 3: Burglary at the windows and allegedly armored entry door. Well I now know the burglary bars are a wishful item and sledgehammers made quick work of a similar door. Also folks have said homeowners end up opening doors for the thieves anyway.

Level 4: Safe room. If all else fails the. It’s to hide in the safe room. It’s hidden but they’ll eventually find it.

Level 5: Last resort is the scorched earth defense. My lips are sealed. grin

Welcome to the real Nigeria, even with the scorched earth defense, defense pass defense, Na baba God hand we dey for Nigeria oo,

I was in lagos when Funsho Williams was murdered, with all the security apparatus, police, his personal jazz, otumokpo, private guards in and around his house, killers were able to breach his security, tie him and killed him,

Although, it was attributed to political killing but how they were able to get to his bedroom with all his securities is a wonder of the century, anytime l visit Nigeria, l don't sleep in any of my houses, I go very discreet, hide inside Zuma Rock daily, meet family members and friends, finish my business and disappear like a ghost, the insecurity in Nigeria get as E be ooo angry

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 7:06pm On Oct 19, 2020
Question for Architects and Builders.

Why did we standardize on 6" and 9" blocks?

Is it a code requirement?

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