dumodust:

Can you list some of the complaints here pls? People complain a lot, maybe the right tax was applied and they started crying wolf. if federal healthcare institutions with their own peculiarities are using IPPIS, what's so peculiar about nasu and ssanu? What's so peculiar about pengassan pls? We need to know because all workers have these so called 'pecularities'. All I see is that the chopping was removed from Lower down and moved up.
Which backend is in the USA exactly and which company? The whole effing internet routes through servers in the US and other parts of the world outside Nigeria and nothing has happened.

I will answer you accordingly..
ippis did not create room for outstation allowance for oil workers,what ippis captures are just the basic and consistent allowance that is entitled to workers monthly, but those rare allowance that do come occasionally, like this out station or field allowance that may occur maybe twice a year or thereabouts, ippis don't cover such
ippis don't have room for hazard allowance ( ssanu and naat),
ippis don't have room for sabbatical, dynamic promotion ( Cox lecturers promotion doesn't have a specific time unlike other civil servant,), pgd supervision allowance, adjunct lecturers pay, And also taxes are being deducted from there gross monthly intake cos lecturers salaries are consolidated.
finally, on the issue you raised about the BACKEND?
you know that the BACKEND of a website or software stays with the programmer,
IPPIS platform was designed by World bank and you don't expect them to give us access to the BACKEND because we didn't buy the software, it was RENTED to us, pls do research on that and prove me wrong
And finally sir let me ask you a rthetorical question,
let assume you as the head of an organization
You were rented a software that takes a very long time for some modifications to be made AND a friend proposed an alternative software for you for FREE,
As the head, won't you give the alternative a chance since you have nothing to lose Cox it's free or will you just ignore ,sit down and conclude that the alternative lack continuity without proving it?
your answer is good as mine

Time shall come , when no parent will want to send his or her child to school again . So unfortunate

Chibueze90:


I will answer you accordingly..
ippis did not create room for outstation allowance for oil workers,what ippis captures are just the basic and consistent allowance that is entitled to workers monthly, but those rare allowance that do come occasionally, like this out station or field allowance that may occur maybe twice a year or thereabouts, ippis don't cover such
ippis don't have room for hazard allowance ( ssanu and naat),
ippis don't have room for sabbatical, dynamic promotion ( Cox lecturers promotion doesn't have a specific time unlike other civil servant,), pgd supervision allowance, adjunct lecturers pay, And also taxes are being deducted from there gross monthly intake cos lecturers salaries are consolidated.
finally, on the issue you raised about the BACKEND?
you know that the BACKEND of a website or software stays with the programmer,
IPPIS platform was designed by World bank and you don't expect them to give us access to the BACKEND because we didn't buy the software, it was RENTED to us, pls do research on that and prove me wrong
And finally sir let me ask you a rthetorical question,
let assume you as the head of an organization
You were rented a software that takes a very long time for some modifications to be made AND a friend proposed an alternative software for you for FREE,
As the head, won't you give the alternative a chance since you have nothing to lose Cox it's free or will you just ignore ,sit down and conclude that the alternative lack continuity without proving it?
your answer is good as mine

I don't understand, I am paid hazard allowance on IPPIS so I don't understand what you mean by not factored in. Also health workers were paid covid allowance over 3months separately on IPPIS. The same health workers (ie resident doctors) do not have automatic promotion, they have to pass exams and properly notify the hospital and finance sections before an upgrade which may take months.
Why Una too para? Has your union tried solving these problems via IPPIS? Sounds like you guys just started sulking from the get go. people have been on these ippis for ages and have been sorting out allowances. A one off allowance I was owed for yrs for first paid by ippis once logged.

Chibueze90:

can you pls tell us how long it took them to rectify your payment?...
6,7,8,9 or 12 months

It took 3-6months
Ippis took on a lot of load recently from all the new appointments spurred by elimination of the old corrupt system. The same staff handling the previous number of people may be overwhelmed and not the factor in this covid issue downscaling workforce over the months.

Chibueze90:


then what are you trying to say?
like you said, their must be continuity.
your point is that you will rather accept to buy a software from a stranger than the one a friend gave u for FREE?

SIR an IT expert cannot just assume and conclude that a software is impotent base on mere assumption, there conclusion will be base on the result obtained from series of testing,
re you aware that utas just passed the first phase (major) of niitda integrity test?

Most free software from friends were also bought by them. I didn't say UTAS is impotent, I was talking about free software generally. There's no free lunch even in free town, you pay somehow so don't blame me or act like you won't be suspicious of unexpectedly free stuff from your usual antagonists.
No public news has come out about ippis from niitda so I don't know.

Nauttyprof:


What breach? Are government platforms not breached also? So, please stop raising dust over this.

This is the reason why we never value our own and also believe the other is superior. For ASUU to have developed UTAS, they also have considered and weighed all issues too. Stop sounding as if these people are illiterate and not knowledgeable while the government know so much.

Even the same ASUU are breached too and stop acting like ASUU is all knowing and filled with world class individuals. It's Nigeria and the corrupt recruitment system is same for ASUU. Even those with questionable credentials finally automatically fall under ASUU so chill

dumodust:

Even the same ASUU are breached too and stop acting like ASUU is all knowing and filled with world class individuals. It's Nigeria and the corrupt recruitment system is same for ASUU. Even those with questionable credentials finally automatically fall under ASUU so chill

I don't know if you are pained by my point but the truth still remains the same. The government cannot be seen as superior in knowledge when you are dealing with those who run the institution of higher learning.

Simple fact.

Nauttyprof:


I don't know if you are pained by my point but the truth still remains the same. The government cannot be seen as superior in knowledge when you are dealing with those who run the institution of higher learning.

Simple fact.

I'm just saying it as I see it, not pained. We all passed through a university, some or many people in government have PhD and high educational credentials which they need to progress up plus real administrative experience. I wonder why you think the lecturers in the universities know it all... And there lies the difference between us and the west, the most open minded teachers I have ever had thought out my journey were westerners, they know they don't know it all and are open to other views or argument.

dumodust:

I'm just saying it as I see it, not pained. We all passed through a university, some or many people in government have PhD and high educational credentials which they need to progress up plus real administrative experience. I wonder why you think the lecturers in the universities know it all... And there lies the difference between us and the west, the most open minded teachers I have ever had thought out my journey were westerners, they know they don't know it all and are open to other views or argument.

Just the way the Government know it all and not open to the citizens view?

Is this the government you support?

Nauttyprof:


Just the way the Government know it all and not open to the citizens view?

Is this the government you support?

Don't get me wrong, I have never and will never support this administration but even this IPPIS idea predates this govt and was designed to solve problems.
The government doesn't know it all, but ASUU can't be crying much more than other professionals and workers paid via IPPIS who were patient enough to resolve issues.
I wonder why ASUU members want a quick response and resolution when they too are guilty of delays at their work places with programs lasting longer than allocated. Besides, being booky doesn't equate to administrative experience and ensuring ease of work and accountability.
ASUU has genuine concerns but don't act like the concerns of those running the civil service are stupid. I for one won't tolerate staff ganging up and insisting on inconvenient insecure ways for me to pay them money. It will have to be scrutinized properly before acceptance and the situation managed as regards to other patient civil servants who may rebel leading to anarchy

dumodust:

Don't get me wrong, I have never and will never support this administration but even this IPPIS idea predates this govt and was designed to solve problems.
The government doesn't know it all, but ASUU can't be crying much more than other professionals and workers paid via IPPIS who were patient enough to resolve issues.
I wonder why ASUU members want a quick response and resolution when they too are guilty of delays at their work places with programs lasting longer than allocated. Besides, being booky doesn't equate to administrative experience and ensuring ease of work and accountability.
ASUU has genuine concerns but don't act like the concerns of those running the civil service are stupid. I for one won't tolerate staff ganging up and insisting on inconvenient insecure ways for me to pay them money. It will have to be scrutinized properly before acceptance and the situation managed as regards to other patient civil servants who may rebel leading to anarchy

If I may ask, which of the MDAs do you work?

Chibueze90:


If I may ask, which of the MDAs do you work?

I'm a top healthcare professional, that's enough to know for an anonymous forum.
You can go ahead and list your MDA if you so please, obviously it's ASUU�

dumodust:

I'm a top healthcare professional, that's enough to know for an anonymous forum.
You can go ahead and list your MDA if you so please, obviously it's ASUU�

Hmmm, now I see
You pointing out ippis as d reason for ASUU strike is wrong, from my interactions with my colleagues that are lecturers, I found out some fact that fg will not tell u
Are you aware that ippis was intially introduced to uni in 2013 but some errors were pointed out by ASUU to fg with AGF in the meeting, Fg agreed they there was error and ASUU proposed that they can create an alternative plaform, FG and Senate agreed and gave them go ahead, I even learnt that a committee on that was formed by the AGF to supervise and monitored the development, now 2020,utas was ready and fg is playing politics, even the errors ASUU discovered were not yet corrected on IPPIS AFTER 7YRS!!!!!
Sir, the only reason I am in partial support of ASUU is...I graduated as a metallurgical engineering but can I tell you that throughout my 5yrs in sch, I didn't see LIQUID METAL cos we have only empty lab it even affected me on my job hunting if not for GOD's mercy.

I will fault ASUU somehow, since we all know that fg is not concern and show no adequate interest in our uni. ASUU shud just apply what you guys(health practitioners) did by only fighting for there allowances and salary only and leave the other infrastructure and revitilazation at God's mercy, that would be better.
Sir, FG knows what ASUU is talking about, that is why they re not applying threat or sanctions like the way they threatened HEALTH PRACTITIONERS last 2 months or so..
ASUU should just abadon everything like the way HEALTH PRACTITIONERS abandoned ASO ROCK CLINIC revitalization and focus solemly on their pocket.

Chibueze90:


Hmmm, now I see
You pointing out ippis as d reason for ASUU strike is wrong, from my interactions with my colleagues that are lecturers, I found out some fact that fg will not tell u
Are you aware that ippis was intially introduced to uni in 2013 but some errors were pointed out by ASUU to fg with AGF in the meeting, Fg agreed they there was error and ASUU proposed that they can create an alternative plaform, FG and Senate agreed and gave them go ahead, I even learnt that a committee on that was formed by the AGF to supervise and monitored the development, now 2020,utas was ready and fg is playing politics, even the errors ASUU discovered were not yet corrected on IPPIS AFTER 7YRS!!!!!
Sir, the only reason I am in partial support of ASUU is...I graduated as a metallurgical engineering but can I tell you that throughout my 5yrs in sch, I didn't see LIQUID METAL cos we have only empty lab it even affected me on my job hunting if not for GOD's mercy.

I will fault ASUU somehow, since we all know that fg is not concern and show no adequate interest in our uni. ASUU shud just apply what you guys(health practitioners) did by only fighting for there allowances and salary only and leave the other infrastructure and revitilazation at God's mercy, that would be better.
Sir, FG knows what ASUU is talking about, that is why they re not applying threat or sanctions like the way they threatened HEALTH PRACTITIONERS last 2 months or so..
ASUU should just abadon everything like the way HEALTH PRACTITIONERS abandoned ASO ROCK CLINIC revitalization and focus solemly on their pocket.

Well, I didn't know that ASUU had wranglings with FG as way back as 2013, that actually changes things. I'm not against ASUU though, just perplexed that they let the strike linger this long in this covid 2020.
Health practitioners have not abandoned the health care sector, we are actually over stretching our selves to see it work. I know lecturers and students feel handicapped by lack of resources, I went through the system myself and it's frustrating. I still find it frustrating as a civil servant and you have to take care not to lose yourself in the madness. The FG is never sincere But I also think many lecturers inadvertently take out the frustration on students but that's a story aside.
ASUU just should have postponed this tough posturing till better times, it's a tough tough yr and you can imagine the tough situation their families are in. This buhari regime seems intent on not listening much to anyone, if UTAS was being negotiated from the beginning, by all means negotiations should continue till both parties are satisfied

dumodust:

Well, I didn't know that ASUU had wranglings with FG as way back as 2013, that actually changes things. I'm not against ASUU though, just perplexed that they let the strike linger this long in this covid 2020.
Health practitioners have not abandoned the health care sector, we are actually over stretching our selves to see it work. I know lecturers and students feel handicapped by lack of resources, I went through the system myself and it's frustrating. I still find it frustrating as a civil servant and you have to take care not to lose yourself in the madness. The FG is never sincere But I also think many lecturers inadvertently take out the frustration on students but that's a story aside.
ASUU just should have postponed this tough posturing till better times, it's a tough tough yr and you can imagine the tough situation their families are in. This buhari regime seems intent on not listening much to anyone, if UTAS was being negotiated from the beginning, by all means negotiations should continue till both parties are satisfied

Sir, there are no better time until we decide to make things better.
Our dear country just need our prayers cause so many things are going wrong..
If you watched CNN broadcast on lekki shootings today, you will see that these country need serious prayers and support
Anyway thank you Cox atleast I learnt one or two things from our little convo..
That is what education is all about.
God bless

Chibueze90:


Sir, there are no better time until we decide to make things better.
Our dear country just need our prayers cause so many things are going wrong..
If you watched CNN broadcast on lekki shootings today, you will see that these country need serious prayers and support
Anyway thank you Cox atleast I learnt one or two things from our little convo..
That is what education is all about.
God bless

Good to have this discussion with you, we all sharpen ourselves. Good luck brother