ABULARdotCOM:


Settlements that they are minorities in! Now you want to compare them to Mongols who have their own country and can boost of influences in Asia and Eastern Europe. Anyway, it is your opinion and you are free to have yours.

Was it not the same Fulani that Yoruba pushed out of their land? I said they didn't have access to the lastest weapons that Yoruba people had, having cavaries with dane guns can not be compared to people who were importing cannons from the west.

Why didn't they attack Yoruba people during the civil war, when Yorubas were most vulnerable? Anyway, you are free to dream up anything you like here also, but the fact remains that they were pushed out of Yoruba land at Oshogbo and not Ibadan. And they never dreamt of coming down south again. You know why?

bonjovi787:


Thanks for your correction on "britain". Why did I make such a silly mistake, maybe it is because I care so much about when "britain" came to existance. I care so much...
Look you are a retard. No need to continue this discussion. Several wars doesn't equal one war. You can't shape reality as you want no matter the Charles "accademic" support which you claim to have; It doesn't matter. It might impress morons, but I am educated and itelligent so I don't buy the b.s.

Edeyoung:



Bro i addressed alk this in my mention to you benin never had conflict wars with any European till 1897,the benin unpreparednes and full military attacks on benin prompted benin early defeat, benin surrender was on the oba orders

The military attacks used to fall benin was used in your so called ashanti and it fell in days lesser than benin who fell minths later

Guy something tells me you have really not extensively read benin-British war or probably you're not thoughtful to reason beyond what youre typing

ABULARdotCOM:


So no universities in Bayelsa, abi? Well done! Don't let them see this o.

Abovebonny3:


What part of Igboland do you refer to? I would love some sources because by my account I've never heard of Benin having any imperial presence over any province east of the Niger. Perhaps some Western Igbo communities but that's hardly an entire ethnic group is it.

Also Kingdoms can rule others, its the extant to which they rule & enforce imperium that dictates their political status. Benin never ruled the entirety of one single ethnic group or nation, apart from Edo and fractions of smaller tribes. How can this be considered an empire.

The map shows The Kingdom of Benin at its greatest territorial extant in 1580. Benin from this point in the 16th century was on the decline.
Please tell me if the map is accurate or not because based the statements you've made, the entire south west/eastern region should be under the "Benin Empire"

Abovebonny3:


If not for the British, the entire south west of Nigeria would have been part of the Caliphate, that's a fact.

Edeyoung:



You're fighting yourself bro

Benin never had full fledged influence on all the territories around it, neither did the British have full control on every tribe in the now nigeria but the British influence spread across every tribe despite even if the British presence wasnt felt in all tribe



Your problem is you have never studied benin histtory


Benin present wasnt felt in all southern tribe but its economic and political influenced stretched around the now southern nigeria the oba of benin controlled trade of all southern to the Europeans


What caused the benin-British war was benin stoping the core east traders i mean eastern ibo traders from selling to the British without him giving orders and the eastern ibi never really had any benin military or cultural influence on them but his economic influence covered them

The oba of benin later stoped all southern nigeria traders from selling to the British without his orders, traders from core east, ijo, ijebbu and the others trading with the British and they complained to the British reason for no trade, it became obvious that benin had to go down before trade could go on effectively with the British


Benin conquered for trade benefit, they dont just wage war aimlessly

Now you see benin had control over southern nigeria and her presence spread over southern nigeria of today,


Please read more on benin history the British didnt call benin empire for nothing


Stop looping benin in the useless category you put it

Abovebonny3:


The Yoruba's had a lucky escape, the British saved their arses otherwise they would have become subjects of the great Sultan to the north.

God Bless the British!

Abovebonny3:


The British Empire & Benin are a totally different kettle of fish.
Give me a source which states Benin had total control of the trade between the Bight of Benin to the Bight of Biafra.
Nri had far more influence in the east than Benin yet it isn't an empire.
Oyo arguably had a vassal states yet you do not quality them for empire status.
You even claim that the Sokoto Caliphate wasn't an empire.
I agree with all your statements but that does not make Benin an empire I'm sorry.
For you the only Empire in west Africa was Benin...

Abovebonny3:


What part of Igboland do you refer to? I would love some sources because by my account I've never heard of Benin having any imperial presence over any province east of the Niger. Perhaps some Western Igbo communities but that's hardly an entire ethnic group is it.

Also Kingdoms can rule others, its the extant to which they rule & enforce imperium that dictates their political status. Benin never ruled the entirety of one single ethnic group or nation, apart from Edo and fractions of smaller tribes. How can this be considered an empire.

The map shows The Kingdom of Benin at its greatest territorial extant in 1580. Benin from this point in the 16th century was on the decline.
Please tell me if the map is accurate or not because based the statements you've made, the entire south west/eastern region should be under the "Benin Empire"

Abovebonny3:


The Yoruba's had a lucky escape, the British saved their arses otherwise they would have become subjects of the great Sultan to the north.

God Bless the British!

TAO11:
I have answered your simple question since page 3. In fact you quoted the answer and still asked for the answer.

I have attached the screenshot below only because you have repeatedly proven yourself to be blind Bini dullard. Or is this delusions

How any sane person would conclude that your question [“is Oduduwa an Ife man?”]

gomojam:
No, no, Tao11 pls stop this. How could you guess 13 for a whole papa Gregyboy(edeyoung)? I think he is just an adult with unevolved brain.

babtoundey:



An adult with crawling brain...
I laugh

Abovebonny3:


The British Empire & Benin are a totally different kettle of fish.
Give me a source which states Benin had total control of the trade between the Bight of Benin to the Bight of Biafra.
Nri had far more influence in the east than Benin yet it isn't an empire.
Oyo arguably had a vassal states yet you do not quality them for empire status.
You even claim that the Sokoto Caliphate wasn't an empire.
I agree with all your statements but that does not make Benin an empire I'm sorry.
For you the only Empire in west Africa was Benin...

babtoundey:



An adult with crawling brain...
I laugh

samuk:


Benin can't prevent anyone from telling their history and practising their culture. There is nothing you or even Benin can do about ISSELE-UKU claiming Benin. Learn to live with it.

Etinosa12345:


U are typing this in tears

If u are sure of what u are saying, bring ur facts and stop crying on this thread

PS: I'm still waiting for the account where Erediuwa said that Benin were afraid of the Igbos

samuk:


This one is in severe pain.

samuk:


You are still lying all over nairaland and using insults to cover them up, the current Ooni of Ife traces the mythical figure Oduduwa and Ooni lineage to Egypt and the ancient Egyptian God Osiris. You are not from Ife, which indigenous Ife accounts says Oduduwa was Ife/Yoruba man.

IDENNAA:


Iseselle Ukwu are Igbo through and through. If they like let them go eat oba shit at the end they will still speak Igbo , eat Igbo food , marry Igbo, worship in Igbo and look like Igbo. With time they will look more silly just like Ikwerre are beginning to look. You should be worried that people who you absolutely nothing in common with are claiming to be your kin.

IDENNAA:



This is childish. There is not a single evidence that proves Isselle are Bini. However, I am not disputing some edoid migrated to Iselle at later period and are a minute population but claiming Isselle are Bini is just blatantly ignorance and stinks of inferior mindset. Obi of Onicha will never try that foolishness and he rightly stated in his interview that Onicha were Igbo in reverse migration after the agha iduu na oba.

You are even claiming Asaba. You guys are shameless and pathetic. If you needed population why didn't you enlarge your chiefdom when you were the "great Bini empire" , whatever that means....lmao

Now , you are jubilating over some hungry youths from Ikwerre who went to kiss asz at your Oba palace. Well , just know this Ikwerre is a goner, they can never be Bini even if they want to...this is purely a bad tactics for them. They won't even eat Bini food , practice your fetish culture or marry Bini women. This is just true....they fall for Igbo women like it's a spell!

LMAO

IDENNAA:



He said so in his book and Onlytruth wrote about it here. I didn't make it up. Why would I ? I don't say things I don't know like claiming Onicha and Asaba are Bini, I am Igbo for Christ sake !

Edeyoung:



No one. Deniel they aint igbo, some very few benin population is among them wich are they royals, they are originally igbos no doubt but now they are not pure igbos anymore and they would never fully claim ibo

Etrusen:
but she is here raining insult for a simple question asked

up till now she can't give any ife account that says oduduwa was an ife man •••