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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Etrusen(m): 9:34pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: how did we start it first ? |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 9:37pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: Yoruba is the worst language ever, it iriitate me With all d gbo gbo. Inside d language makes me puke is just that u guys are littered everywhere like crocoach, you can do but speak it, When edo man speaks his dialect one will think he is about to cause war That of the yoruba language is full of cowardice 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 9:40pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
Apparently, the Yoruba language came to the rescue of all West African slaves, including the Edo slaves who both at home and in slavery were subjected to the Yoruba language. Wonderful! —————— In the video report below, many African-Americans of Edo ancestry trace their roots back to the Edo kingdom of Benin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM Yes, African Americans. Yes, the same people whose ancestors found themselves in the Americas via the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Yes, they trace themselves back home to Benin kingdom. Now I know your insecurity and defense mechanism would kick in to cause you to pretend to be unsure of how their Edo ancestors got enslaved and sold off in the first place. Lol. Well, the testimony obtained from the Edos themselves by the late Professor R. E. Bradbury during his ethnographic survey of Benin kingdom is very telling in that regards. Refer to the embedded image below (from page 112 of R. E. Bradbury’s “The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking Peoples of South Western Nigeria”, 1957) for some educative information in that regards: www.nairaland.com/attachments/12815289_bca0e87c457845658417dc2c4adc4a37_jpeg_jpegcb02a2c075079f7291fc168ee37e91ea Now, that you’ve found out how your people were enslaved and sold-off by the Yorubas, the difference you must now realize is that many Yorubas who were sold-off fought their freedom back home. However, all the enslaved Edos (on the other hand) remained slaves in the Americas perpetually ad-infinitum. Cc: Ideadoctor, gomojam, macof, RuggedSniper, googi, scholes0, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, reallest, nisai, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, Amujale, Afam4eva, Ofunwa111, LegendHero, Barbilius, Juliusmalema, pazienza, Obalatule, ABULARdotCom 11 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 9:55pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 9:56pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 10:02pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
[quote author=Ideadoctor post=97175816][/quote] Grand master of everlasting slavery even in modern days The language of the slave yoruba The modern day slaves..... To the hausa Twale for una TAO11 TAO12 Balogunodua Newton Gomojam Ideadoctor
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Etrusen(m): 10:15pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
[quote author=Ideadoctor post=97175767][/quote] ok now let me ask is this thread related to Yoruba ? |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 10:22pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: Santeria and candomble = the religion of slaves Ife art =not made by ife people called ife art because it was found at ife The one i stoked would be a foolish search The ones i left unstroked reminds me yorubas slavery which you should be ashamed of Comparing benin influence international to that of yoruba is useless |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by babtoundey(m): 11:28pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
TAO11: Busted and even overbusted. Gregboy is equal to Edeyoung. And the idiot is even quoting himself "why did they equate you as me.." He thinks everyone is as slow as he is. 3 Likes |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by babtoundey(m): 11:58pm On Dec 17, 2020 |
Edeyoung: Pounded yam is now Benin...! How about jollof rice, salad, bread and butter? Don't you think they sound Edo too? Slow boy. With time, we will e hearing from you folks that the seat of Olodumare is an extension of your empire. 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 12:59am On Dec 18, 2020 |
babtoundey: Pounded yam and eguisi is edo Ewedu and amala is yoruba food |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 1:01am On Dec 18, 2020 |
babtoundey: Wtf is wrong with you guys |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 1:04am On Dec 18, 2020 |
TAO11: Probably they are benin republic not benin |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by adadike(f): 2:03am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Obalatule:being the oldest tribe in Nigeria, I believe the great igbos once rule over Benin empire and to an extent yorubaland. The story of moremi even confirmed it. I also heard that in those days even till date, that before a new king will ascend the throne of Benin , emmisaries must be sent to Nri. I heard it's done in secret to avoid pride and insults 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 2:39am On Dec 18, 2020 |
adadike:Wonderful! But to respond to this for the purpose of putting the information out there: (1) I’m not sure who announced Igbo as the oldest tribe in Nigeria, what I’m sure about instead is that the oldest human bones found in the whole of West Africa comes from Yorubaland — Iwo-Eleru to be precise. It dates to circa 7,000 BCE. (2) Moreover, at no point in ancient times did the Igbos rule over any Yoruba kingdom (i.e. including Benin kingdom) nor did the ancient Igbos even rule over one another. (3) The Moremi episode actually has nothing to do with a group ruling over another group. It also has nothing to do with south-easterners of present-day Nigerians. Rather, it relates to guerrilla raids on the ancient Ife city by disgruntled Ife residents who had been expelled to the forest (or igbo in Yoruba language). While the Yoruba word for for “forest” coincides with the name of the south-eastern Nigeria ethnic group, I am not sure if this name also mean “forest” in the south-eastern language. Moreover, the Moremi episode is conspicuously absent in the traditions of the Igbo people of south-eastern Nigeria. Yet it is present in both the traditions of the Ife people as well as in the traditions of the Ugbo* people of which the Olugbo is king. *”Ugbo” is an Eastern-Yoruba dialectal variation of the same word Igbo — Forest. The Ugbos trace their roots to a party of the expelled Ife residents. (4) I would let the Binis here explain themselves as to whether or not Benin (in addition to sending to Ife) also send emissaries to Nri on the ascension of a new Benin king. LMAO! In the meantime while we await the Binis to clarify whose servant they really are, see the two attachments below for some context. Cheers! Cc: Ideadoctor, gomojam, macof, RuggedSniper, googi, scholes0, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, reallest, nisai, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, Amujale, Afam4eva, Ofunwa111, LegendHero, Barbilius, Juliusmalema, pazienza, Obalatule, ABULARdotCom 13 Likes 6 Shares
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 6:42am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Edeyoung:your mouth will not kill you... cho cho cho. .. can't you be silent for once* looking for cane * oya hold lips, if I hear pem from you again 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 6:44am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Etrusen:is this the only trend you opened? 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 6:46am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Edeyoung:You are on big bigot,honesty is not in your blood 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Ideadoctor(m): 6:48am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Edeyoung:this boy you dey mad! you still dey drag food again? dem record am say na Edo first they pound yam ni, ema WO were yi sha 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by samuk: 6:50am On Dec 18, 2020 |
TAO11: You never missed an opportunity to misinform the gullible and less informed. You prey on people's ignorance alot, I don't know if this is deliberate or you are just less informed yourself or you don't think about your logical conclusions before you present them. You start by presenting a faulty narrative to prepare your gullible students and then support your hypothesis with unrelated citations to make your argument look and sound authentic. Your submission and citations doesn't explain how some genetically Edo people ended up in America. Reasons why your logic is faulty: According to your own citations/reference, the raids into Edo North by either the Nupe or Ibadan happened after the middle of the 19th century. 1. Your reference didn't say that Edo villagers were captured and sold into slavery, this is your assumption. 2. By the later part of 19th century when these raids in Edo North were said to have occurred, transatlantic slave trade was already banned in America. See below. The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that provided that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect on January 1, 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution. Long title: AN ACT to prohibit the importation of slaves, into any port or place within t... Effective: January 1, 1808 Enacted by: the 9th United States Congress 3. Though there were still illegal trades in slavery up till 1870, most of the cargoes went to the sugarcane and cotton plantations of the Caribbean. 4. People of Edo origin/heritage could have become victims of the transatlantic slave trade through other means but not through your wishful thinking. 5. There are people and tribes from Lagos, eastern Yoruba, south east, south south and middle belt Nigeria that traces their origins to Benin. Edo indigines could have become victims of the transatlantic slave trade through anyone of these people/tribes not through Nupe and Ibadan raids in Edo North in the middle to late 19th century when Benin was in decline. 6. I have already disproved that Ogane couldn't be Ife, please stop deceiving people with it. 7. Archeological study of Ife dates the earliest settlements to the first decade of 16th century. Ogane/Benin history was recorded in the 15th century. 8. Ogane was said to be in the opposite direction from Benin, not the direction of Ife. 9. Ogane was said to be a 20 moons or months travel from Benin and a distance of about 900 miles, Ife is less than 200 miles from Benin and the journey couldn't have taken 20 moons or months. 10. Ogane does not sounds like Ife, Oduduwa or Ooni. 11. Please don't tell me that there were artworks found in Ife older than 16th century, even if this is true, which I doubt, it doesn't prove they were made in Ife. 12. Hope you will not come back with insults as usual after you have been lectured. 2 Likes |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 8:31am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: Can you prove piunded yam and eguisi is yoruba |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Edeyoung: 8:49am On Dec 18, 2020 |
samuk: Thsee days she is becoming exhausted, although She is fooling her people but deep down she is battling her conscience that she has lost There is still higher probability that those visitors mistook benin republic for benin city And if it was edo people, it would be likely edo north which i doubt myself , if those raids on edo north were successful, why haven't we heard of nearby tribes bouldering edo north as slaves returneess Those people are from benin Republic Like kogi, igala and co..... |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Hellraiser77: 10:34am On Dec 18, 2020 |
[s] TAO11:[/s] Tao11 the pathological liar ....you have ressurected me by mentioning Igbos again in your unending stream of lies which I will thrash one after the other ( 1) Igbos remain the oldest Distinct group of people in modern day Nigeria with a history dating back to 6,000 years ago The remains in Iwo eleru(which are not really human remains as you claimed) dates back to 43,000 years while yorubas only started settling the area around 12th century, how could this be the ancestors of Yoruba people? Igbo people that spoke a language very closely related to modern igbo resided in Ile ife before yoruba started coming into the area from modern day Kogi state. (2) Obatala who is the first Oba in Ile ife(Igbo omoku) is an Igbo priest, so clearly Igbos ruled yoruba in Igbo omoku (ask me for evidence) Agreed the moremi episode has Little to do with modern day south Eastern Igbos but with a distinct Igbo group that inhabited ife(Igbo omoku) prior to yoruba arrival(s). The moremi stories are absent in the history of South eastern Igbos today simply because it has nothing to do with them, the Igbos mentioned in the moremi story are now in ondo state as the ugbo people and they preserve alot of their Igbo traits till this day. To anybody doubting the Igbo roots of ugbo people note that the most successful ruler of ugbo/igbo people while they where in ile Ife(Igbo omoku) is named "Ekenwa" ....how Igbo does that get? cc Adadike 1 Like |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 11:16am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Hellraiser77:The last time I devoted a flogging session to you, you wept profusely to the mods, claiming that I bullied you. You were subsequently ignored because you lacked the stamina to soak in the torture without complain. I really do hope something has changed this time around. (1) There is no evidence that Igbos are the oldest group in Southern Nigeria. All “Nigeria” ethno-linguistic groups spread out as distinct ethnic-linguistic groups from the region of the Middle Niger — mostly around the N-B confluence and above it. They all settled into their present respective locations at about the same period of history. The Iwo-Eleru human bones do not date to 43,000 years old. The Yorubas did not settle in from modern-day Kogi state. The Yorubas have occupied their present location since many centuries BCE, not 1200 CE. There is no evidence that modern-day Igbo people spoke a language similar to that spoken by the then forest dwellers of Ife. (2) Obatala was not the first king in Ife. In fact, Ife had no singular monarchy overseeing its affairs prior to the present dynasty. There is no evidence that Igbo (i.e. forest) in the context of ancient Ife relates to modern-day south-easterners. (3) Lastly, the Moremi episode has everything to do with the Obatala Igbo (or forest) group as re-enacted till date in the annual Edi festival. You have claimed that the Moremi is “absent in the history of South eastern Igbos today simply because it has nothing to do with them”. Yet, somehow you want to claim Obatala in the same breath. I wonder what logical reasoning sounds like to you. Scary? Or are you the new Binis in town? (4) The name Ẹ̀keńwá has absolutely nothing to do with pre-Oduduwa Ife. It’s instead the name of one of Oduduwa’s later successor/descendant. Yes, I understand your excitement, a modern south-eastern Igbo word sounds like it. Cc: LegendHero 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Itohanprefa: 11:37am On Dec 18, 2020 |
TAO11:Shut your stinking lieing mouth and engage me with this account I forced your life in a different direction the last time, hope you are enjoying the new chapter I opened for your life? 1 Like
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 11:58am On Dec 18, 2020 |
Itohanprefa:I really do hope you won't see me as a bully again when I begin with you? Have you gathered enough stamina this time around? There must be no tears this time around. Also, no crying to the mods like you did the last time. Again, do not call me a bully this time around. Cc: LegendHero, does this guy look familiar? 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by Itohanprefa: 12:08pm On Dec 18, 2020 |
TAO11:My forever beech Tao!!! I opened a new chapter in your life and forced you off Nairaland for month's ....now you are back with more lies but don't worry I'm always ready to open more brand new phases in your miserable life 1 Like
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 12:11pm On Dec 18, 2020 |
Here was my earlier reply: I do not [wish to] waste precious [productive] time debunking a teenager’s WISH-LIST. LMAO! If you have have anything that looks like evidence for any of the items on your wishlist, then knock on my door. Nigerians are already convinced that your Oba is a Yoruba man from Ife. No amount of damage control from you can undo that. I did the damage. [wicked laughter]. [Moreover] ..., the Yorubas raided and sold your daddies [and mommies] into slavery. Yet, you’re here arguing that the Yorubas only used them for [ritual] sacrifice and not for sale. For now, go and play with your mates. One of them is already waiting. See below! On a second thought, I felt you may actually be genuine with seeking a devastating blow to your growing uncontrollable delusions — hence the following piece-by-piece debunking: samuk:You’re a fraudulent dullard. The report does NOT say Nupe OR Ibadan; rather your people reported to Bradbury that they were raided by both Ibadan and Nupe at different periods of history. Moreover, the report gave a timeline to the Nupe raids — that is; the later part of the 1800s. However, the same report specifically mentions that PRIOR to the Nupe raids, your daddies and mommies had been heavily raided by the Ibadan people. And the Ibadan raiders didn’t sacrifice all your daddies and mommies to Yoruba deities as you want us to believe, rather they were largely sold-off into slavery. Deal with the mess. 6. I have already disproved that Ogane couldn't be Ife, please stop deceiving people with it.Disproved? Lol! Does “disprove” now have an alternative meaning? Oh, wait! You dIsProvEd just as Trump dIsPrOvEd tHaT BiDeN wOn tHE elEcTiOn” ?? I really wonder how living in denial helps you as a coping mechanism. Anyways, to break your plastic heart sweetheart, every single historian on the subject in the world today have closed out on the discussion of the identity of the Ogane — he is none other than the Ooni of Ife. And I can cite you several references off the top of my head for that. Wake up! Make some espresso coffee! Smell it! 7. Archeological study of Ife dates the earliest settlements to the first decade of 16th century.A load of ignorant dog crap which could only be found in the mouth of a Bini President Buhari, and from an Edo blog (or Facebook page) of another Bini President Buhari. Ogane/Benin history was recorded in the 15th century.Yes! And many settlements had already been established in Ife by the 4th century BCE according to Paul Ozanne’s report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife. Moreover, Frank Willett also obtained many dates of circa 800 CE from charcoal samples of human activities in Ife. 8. Ogane was said to be in the opposite direction from Benin, not the direction of Ife.Well, maps produced by European cartographers from the same early period beg to differ. These maps have the ”Kingdom of the Oghene” clearly labeled over Yorubaland. And I have with me at least one of such maps with all its accompanying notes and information. Scholars have for reasons such as this hard information from maps (amongst other informations) re-visited additional illuminating facts. These facts include: (a) That the mention of the word “east” (in the Portuguese notes) was apparently supplied by the Binis in relation to the sun rising, viz. “the place from where the sun rises”; or “the place from where dawn comes”; etc. (b) That the Oba Eweka II performs daily morning supplications first to Ife (and then to other parts of Yorubaland); and he does this supplications to Yorubaland while he faces the rising sun at dawn — literally backing Yorubaland. ~ H. L. Ward-Price. (c) That Ife was known throughout most of the western stretch of the Gulf of Guinea by the religious epithet: “the place from where the dawn comes”. ~ Maupoil cited in R. Horton. Also, Akinjogbin cited in Bondarenko. All these facts thus forces the unavoidable conclusion that the Binis supplied the information on the Ogane’s kingdom via their own everyday religious-cum-non-literal reference frame, viz. “the place from where the sun rises”. On the other hand, the Europeans who were on the receiving end actually received this same information via an entirely different reference frame — that is, a non-religious-cum-geographical/literal reference frame, viz. east of the King of Beni. Hence the reconciliation of the hard information from the early maps with the information from the early notes. By the way: I am not claiming credit for this explanation or conclusion; rather, this is the prevailing conclusion of historical scholarship as it stands today. 9. Ogane was said to be a 20 moons or months travel from BeninWhile I cant vouch for your Math abilities, I have in fact demonstrated with a basic easy-to-follow computation that this number is precisely accurate with respect to Ife. and a distance of about 900 miles, Ife is less than 200 miles from Benin •••The reporter of this information (d’Avieros) makes it plain (in his note) that the figure he stated for distance is his own personal guess — and thus that no Bini gave him any such information about distance. The 1400s Binis apparently do not speak the language of miles, leagues, etc. to begin with. 10. Ogane does not sounds like Ife, Oduduwa or Ooni.Well, no historian said Ogane sounds like three words at the same time. LMAO! What historians hold instead is that the word “Ogané” (a Portuguese rendition of a local word) is the same as the Bini word “Oghene” (a word by which the Binis refer to the monarch of Ife even at times in present-time) and also the same as the modern word “Ooni”. Yes, this is what historical scholarship holds. The direct opposite of your ignorant dog-shit. 11. Please don't tell me that there were artworks found in Ife older than 16th century, even if this is true, which I doubt,LMAO! Your delusions are actually unbounded! Well, IFE’s stone (immovable) and iron sculptures dates from the archaic and pre-pavement era (pre-800 CE - 1000CE) just as much as its terra-cotta sculptures and ‘bronze’ sculpture dates, based on thermoluminescence test, from 1000CE to 1400CE. it doesn't prove they were made in Ife.LOL! Insecure little brat! Yes, the Ife artworks were indigenous Ife production. I have once schooled you extensively on this by citing examples of unfinished sculptures found in-situ by Frobenius’ team. I have also cited examples of terra-cotta work (e.g. Lajuwa head), ‘bronze’ work (e.g. Obalufon mask) and quartz work (a sacred stool) which were all in the possession of the king prior to the first Ife excavations. As a bonus, Frank Willett obtained dates of circa 900 CE for potsherd pavements (that is: “ancient street tiles” which are still firmly fixed to the streets, some till date) from Ife 12. Hope you will not come back with insults as usual after you have been lectured.Again, I never insult you. I only call you your monikers like “dullard”, etc. especially when you become unteachable even on basic high-schoolers’ stuffs. Cc: LegendHero, RuggedSniper, Balogunodua, babtoundey, Newton85, sesan85, reallest, SaintBeehot, Ideadoctor, macof, DenreleDave 7 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Oguta Land In Imo State Is An Extension Of Benin Empire by TAO11(f): 12:16pm On Dec 18, 2020 |
Itohanprefa:LMAO! You really can’t guarantee me that you won’t be crying to the mods like you did the last time ?? Wonderful! 5 Likes 3 Shares |
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