saintvc: SOW A SEED
WHAT U SOW, U REAP
GOD BLESES A CHEERFUL GIVER
GIVE TO THE LORD
U WIL RECIVE DOUBLE


These are some of d words we hear from pastors when urgin the members to give unto d lord.

To me, these words reduces religion to buisnes. Church is like an investment.

E.g The church member has 500,000.he wants to invest.d bank gives 2% interest.in a year, d bank would gve 600,000..on getin to church, pastor says WITH FAITH, SOW A SEED OF 500,000 AND U RECIVE 1 MILION IN 6 MONTHS.

What hapens in 2 years when he doesnt rcve d money,? He goes to d pastor and is told he lacks faith.he cant go to court,he wil surely loose.HIS MONEY IS GONE.

When we give , we should gve wilingly, whole heartdly witout xpectin anytin in return.

God isnt a buisnes man who trades wit our money and gves us profit.
Pastors stop dis

saintvc: SOW A SEED
WHAT U SOW, U REAP
GOD BLESES A CHEERFUL GIVER
GIVE TO THE LORD
U WIL RECIVE DOUBLE


These are some of d words we hear from pastors when urgin the members to give unto d lord.

mkmyers45: Pastor is using God's word for ministry purpose na..abi you don tire to pay?

musKeeto:
No mind the guy, we dey dey reap blessings, another man dey complain.. Im sabi pass God?
Abeg, leave tori for talkatives...

Joagbaje:

So do you know more than God? Are they not quoting Gods word?

Joagbaje:

So do you know more than God? Are they not quoting Gods word?

Joagbaje:

So do you know more than God? Are they not quoting Gods word?

musKeeto: Why are you fighting against Biblical principles? Why not mind your business? For me, I choose to believe the pastors words and that's what works for me...

Goshen360: I have seen/heard about ALL KINDS of SEED SOWING in my lifetime stipulated by some/many MoG but never mentioned in the bible that I can't mention them all.

truthislight:

will you shut up.

Pastor Kun:

On the contrary they are quoting the bible out of context; I.e twisting the scriptures to disguise their lust for money.

Joagbaje:

are you afraid of me?

truthislight:

hahaha

am not afraid of you.

and sorry for the "shut up".
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i just hate exploitation.

We can at least speak out against lies.

If people learn to call a sped-a sped then we will begin to discourage evil around us.
Peace

Joagbaje:

church money does not belong to the pastors. most pastors have their own jobs and businesses. except Some, like the G.O. or others who God may not allow to work by the reason of their increasing responsibilities. most denominations send men with good job into pastoring. he gives his tithe or offerings like everyone else. so who is duping who? ministry is responsibility.

Luke 6
King James Version (KJV)
20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said,....
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.......
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

truthislight:

tithing is not for christians but was exclusively a jewish thing.

That a church tith is a fraud at it best and shows a lack of regard for God and his new arragement.

Joagbaje:

We are not discussing tithes here. But the doctrine of giving and receiving . And for your information , tithing wasnt a Jewish affair but a principle based on the bible like others such as faith, prayer,worship offerings,, etc. They all pre existed the Jewish law and the Jewish nation. And there's never a place in the bible where God put an end to it or them. I don't like to enter debate on tithe . Let everyone be convinced in his own mind.

truthislight:

Do you really understand what the bible book of Hebrews 7 says on the issue of tith?

"That in the former arrangement it was men that are dying that receives tith"

are you saying that on this new arrengement that it is still also men that are dying that will also receive tith?

What then is the essence of classing it as "in the former it was men that are dying"

are the men that you are asking to collect tith not dying again?

Joagbaje:

We are not discussing tithes here. But the doctrine of giving and receiving . And for your information , tithing wasnt a Jewish affair but a principle based on the bible like others such as faith, prayer,worship offerings,, etc. They all pre existed the Jewish law and the Jewish nation. And there's never a place in the bible where God put an end to it or them. I don't like to enter debate on tithe . Let everyone be convinced in his own mind.

Joagbaje:

Men that died refers to the high priest under levitical order. But Jesus is our high priest under melchizedek order. What's the big deal

Joagbaje:

We are not discussing tithes here. But the doctrine of giving and receiving . And for your information , tithing wasnt a Jewish affair but a principle based on the bible like others such as faith, prayer,worship offerings,, etc. They all pre existed the Jewish law and the Jewish nation. And there's never a place in the bible where God put an end to it or them. I don't like to enter debate on tithe . Let everyone be convinced in his own mind.

spicy v: @ OP: it is actually a lack θf understanding that would make one to sow without having any expectation! Does a farmer sow seeds without expecting a harvest? Infact, the reason that people that sow do not receive anything is because they closed their mind by not expecting anything! Effective sowing is sowing with an expectation θf a specific harvest! So yes you must expect something in return because there is no harvest without a seed! Why would the bible talk about seed time and harvest or θf a man reaping what he sows?

Please wisen up if you want to start getting results!

dekung:
Uncle Jo,
Could you pls tell the house how the issue of tithe precede the Jewish law bearing in mind that there was only one record of Abraham giving tithe which came from spoils of war and another account was that of Jacob promisin to give God a tenth of all he had if he becomes successful however there was no record of him ever fulfilling this promise

Joagbaje:

church money does not belong to the pastors. most pastors have their own jobs and businesses. except Some, like the G.O. or others who God may not allow to work by the reason of their increasing responsibilities. most denominations send men with good job into pastoring. he gives his tithe or offerings like everyone else. so who is duping who? ministry is responsibility.

truthislight:

lies.

Is that why atheist are the richest people on earth?

The bile says that all christian should do work.

Donation should be voluntary and not under compulsion/necessity for God 2corinthianian 9:7