sexkillz: I am not arguing that the bible mentions hell. What i am against is that the bible mentions "hellfire" as a place or torment for wicked ones. That is a lie!

In some translations, hell is used. In others, sheol is used, and while in others gehenna and yet again, in some, hades is used. Sheol, hades and gehenna have been referred to as the common grave of mankind. "hell" is no different. Hell is the common grave of mankind.

My argument is on the non existence of "hellfire" and the fallacious use of "hellfire" to imbibe fear in the minds of people or threatening them. God does not and will never force anyone to serve him. So the idea of a "threat in the name of God" is wrong. . .

Shollypopz:
I see ur point but wait ooo
Hell is not torment?? I don't think u understand what being away from God's presence mean

I don't hv much to argue wiv u on hell anyway....na dat heaven my mind dey.....

kandiikane:

Lmao, but you know say only a feww 1000 will go to heaven?

sexkillz: Hellfire does not exist. It is one of the many lies religion has used to deceive mankind. Just like when they said Jesus was born in December, during winter. Lol

kandiikane: I accept(not as my own belief but as in that is what they wish to follow) and explore other people's beliefs because no one knows who is right and who is wrong as many religions will preach. I would not bash and insult others because they do not believe in what I believe. I try to understand. I also don't see today's religions any different to ancient religions(which are now myths but they were people's beliefs). Maybe in years to come, these our religions will be called 'myths', who knows?! I believe today's big religions are a concoction of past religions thrown together(hence, why you will find contradictions).

The same way a christian can argue their religion is the right path, is the same way a muslim or someone who practices judaism can say theirs is the right path.

If someone believes there is no God and trys to find meaning to his life by using a different/non-religious path(maybe evolution) then good for them, makes sense.

In the end, all these books were written by men and only faith will make you believe what it says. Only faith will make you take the word of man to be the word of GOD. No proof, just faith.

I don't live in a box and hate being ignorant about life and everyday things, when you can explore and try to understand to your full capacity why we came to be.


I believe sexkillz is questioning what he has been taught but he is using and manipulating his religion to try and prove his personal feelings which is wrong. Same way, religious fanatics hide behind religious text books to do evil.

People are dying because of religion and it's wrong.

Live life to the fullest with the purest of hearts, do good and if truly there is a GOD, by doing so you will be favoured. You have no need to worry about what others do. We are not the ones to judge.

No one knows.

Shollypopz:
I no know dat one ooo

As long as I'm part of them...no wahala!!

Shollypopz: @Kandii:

There is hardly any contradiction in the bible...Bear in mind we don't hv d complete book and it is written based on d "writers" POV

The bible is a living word; meaning what u read today might reveal something to you today and another tomorrow. The bible is meant to be interpreted with d Holy Spirit's discretion

Mayan religion/culture is new to me........I reserve my comment. Nice read, though.

Ileke-IdI:


I see. So you accept there's a superior being, just not sure which religion is right, or even any religion is right. However, you respect and explore other religions.

Shollypopz: @Kandii:

There is hardly any contradiction in the bible...Bear in mind we don't hv d complete book and it is written based on d "writers" POV

The bible is a living word; meaning what u read today might reveal something to you today and another tomorrow. The bible is meant to be interpreted with d Holy Spirit's discretion

Mayan religion/culture is new to me........I reserve my comment. Nice read, though.

Shollypopz:
I see ur point but wait ooo
Hell is not torment?? I don't think u understand what being away from God's presence mean

I don't hv much to argue wiv u on hell anyway....na dat heaven my mind dey.....

sexkillz: When a person dies, he ceases to exist. Death is the opposite of life. The dead do not see or hear or think. No part of the body survives death. Our senses, along with our thoughts, are all linked to the workings of our brain. At death, the brain stops working. Our memories, feelings, and senses do not continue to function independently in some mysterious way. They do not survive the destruction of our brain. . . Science supports this.

Ecclesiastes 9 vs 5 says that the living are conscious that they would die, but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. Vs 6 says, also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished and they have no portion anymore in anything that has to be done under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9 vs 10 says all that your hand finds to do, do with your very power for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in sheol, the place to which you are going.

We are mortal and do not survive the death of the body. The life we live is like the flame of a candle. When that flame is put out, it does not go anywhere, it is simply gone. When a man dies, he is dead. And will be buried. He does not go anywhere.

The teaching of hellfire suggests that there is a part of the human body that survives death, or at least that suffers pain of torment. This is wrong because a dead person cannot feel pain and even when you set it on fire, he wont feel the pain and when he burns, he does not burn for ever or for eternity but rather, to ashes and when you toss ash to the wind, it is gone forever.

Hellfire is a fallacy.

sexkillz: I agree with you except when you said it was written based on the writers POV.

Pls read 2 timothy 3:16

sexkillz: i understand what it means, and it doesn't mean hell fire.

kandiikane:


You are not a christian!

Why would you bring science into this?
Are we not talking about the bible?
I suggest you actually read the bible.

To say hell doesn't exist when jesus himself talks about the torments of it, shows that you do not have much knowledge of the religion you 'practice'.
You are going around in circle denying the existance of a place of torment after death without concrete proof from the bible that it doesn't exist.

There is a huge flaw from yóur side if you are going to use the bible to deny hell.

Shollypopz:
I didn't mean it like that....I knw about d whole God's guidance thingy

I'm talking about characters reflecting in the bible...If u look @ Paul, u would see his 'rascality' in his books. If u look @ Luke, u could see his career as a doctor in his book......Because of this, they seem to narrate d same incident differently.

sexkillz: Are you trying to deny the scientific part of death? I'd like to see you try. Lol.

The bible does not contradict itself. Readers of the Bible contradict themself. The bible clearly says that the dead are conscious of nothing. That clearly defeats the notion of tormenting a dead body since that would be an exercise in futility. . . A dead body feels no pain.

I am showing you what the bible says. Those words are not mine, but from the bible. And all i ask is that you read them for yourself.

sexkillz: I agree.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John reported the life account of Jesus, but according to how it happened before them.

kandiikane:

And yet the book wasn't written by men?

kandiikane: "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever"(rev 20:10)

Hell(where the wicked will go)=everlasting punishment and everlasting fire(mt 25:46 and mt 18:

"The lake of fire and brimstone, in which the devil, the beast, and the false prophet 'shall be tormented day and night, forever and eve"( revelation 20:20)

kandiikane:

I ask you why would you bring science in this. If anything, science just proves how religion is false.

Sexkillz, if you read the bible(which you clearly don't) then you will see that it's the soul that is said to go to 'hades' and on the day of resurrection the body will be resurrected.

If the bible doesn't contradict itself and readers do, you are clearly contradicting yourself by saying when you die that's it. The bible clearly states your body will return to the dust it was made out of but your soul will continue.

Who the hell is talking about a dead lifeless body that is actually useless in terms of spirtuality?

sexkillz: When a person dies, he ceases to exist. Death is the opposite of life. The dead do not see or hear or think. No part of the body survives death. Our senses, along with our thoughts, are all linked to the workings of our brain. At death, the brain stops working. Our memories, feelings, and senses do not continue to function independently in some mysterious way. They do not survive the destruction of our brain. . . Science supports this.

Ecclesiastes 9 vs 5 says that the living are conscious that they would die, but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. Vs 6 says, also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished and they have no portion anymore in anything that has to be done under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9 vs 10 says all that your hand finds to do, do with your very power for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in sheol, the place to which you are going.

We are mortal and do not survive the death of the body. The life we live is like the flame of a candle. When that flame is put out, it does not go anywhere, it is simply gone. When a man dies, he is dead. And will be buried. He does not go anywhere.

The teaching of hellfire suggests that there is a part of the human body that survives death, or at least that suffers pain of torment. This is wrong because a dead person cannot feel pain and even when you set it on fire, he wont feel the pain and when he burns, he does not burn for ever or for eternity but rather, to ashes and when you toss ash to the wind, it is gone forever.

Hellfire is a fallacy.

sexkillz: when i resurrect, it is back to this earth. . . Where i was created. When God created humans, he did not create them in heaven. If he wanted them in heaven, he would not have bothered about creating the earth, or don't you think so?

sexkillz: Shollypopz, verse 27 was talking about judging people according to thier deeds on judgement day, and vs 28 was referring to people that witnessed the transfiguration.

Sorry i answered late.

*Shollypopz:

Really, that'all u got??!!

Mtcheew
I'm tryna say it raises complications
verse 28 says; some people wont die until Christ's Second Coming

It says "some who are standing here"..........
if we take it that Jesus was talking to some people then, he must have meant "there are some people alive now who wont taste death till he comes"
(people of that time)

Do u get wat I'm saying??

sexkillz: No he meant those standing "here" with him. Else, that would mean the people he was referring to are still alive as we speak. Right?

We both know its wrong. They are dead, so he meant at that particular moment.

*Shollypopz:

Are u buttressing my point or against it......