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Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by talk2me006(m): 7:04am On Sep 14, 2012
TroGunn:

The Government have the right to maintain law and order. Violators of laid down accepted laws of the land will be rightly punished/jailed by the govt to protect the populace. It's incomparable to brain dead religious fanatics killing innocents over a movie in a foreign country. U sound ignorant and stup.id.
Why that govt doesnt have right to arrest those film producer?
you must be hypocrite,ignorant and so on...
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by anelka101(m): 9:38am On Sep 14, 2012
Illetriacy and ignorance kills faster than AIDS.
i just watch the movie on ytube now,if its not madness,this has'nt gotten to the stage of killing.
Tooooo bad
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by apala911: 2:23pm On Sep 14, 2012
Northerners should stop still religious extremism if truly Islam preaches peace
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by Nobody: 3:58pm On Sep 14, 2012
talk2me006:
Why that govt doesnt have right to arrest those film producer?
you must be hypocrite,ignorant and so on...

Why should the govt arrest the producers? They've broken no law of the land by making the movie. It may break Islamic religious law, but the US and many other nations are not governed by Islamic or any other religious laws and really can't be bothered by it. Freedom of expression is allowed. That should be obvious to you na. Na wa for you sef.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by talk2me006(m): 5:11pm On Sep 14, 2012
TroGunn:

Why should the govt arrest the producers? They've broken no law of the land by making the movie. It may break Islamic religious law, but the US and many other nations are not governed by Islamic or any other religious laws and really can't be bothered by it. Freedom of expression is allowed. That should be obvious to you na. Na wa for you sef.
U mean there is no law governing the integrity of other religion faith?
if so why did hiliary clinton made such speeches against that film producer.
i know your problem sha!
your sentimental mind has covered your thought.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by Nobody: 8:36am On Sep 15, 2012
talk2me006:
U mean there is no law governing the integrity of other religion faith?
if so why did hiliary clinton made such speeches against that film producer.
i know your problem sha!
your sentimental mind has covered your thought.

Yes, there's no such law about "integrity of religion", whatever that means. America is a secular state, and freedom of speech and religion is allowed. Hillary Clinton may have spoken against the movie as being in bad taste, but didn't say it broke any law. It's why youtube is not banning the video. Your thinking clearly shows the reasoning (or lack of ) behind the senseless violence by muslims over their religion. Stark ignorance is at the root of it.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by talk2me006(m): 8:52pm On Sep 17, 2012
TroGunn:

Yes, there's no such law about "integrity of religion", whatever that means. America is a secular state, and freedom of speech and religion is allowed. Hillary Clinton may have spoken against the movie as being in bad taste, but didn't say it broke any law. It's why youtube is not banning the video. Your thinking clearly shows the reasoning (or lack of ) behind the senseless violence by muslims over their religion. Stark ignorance is at the root of it.
. YOU

ABEG GO SIT DOWN.YOU LACK POINT!
YOUR SENTIMENTAL MIND HAS BLINDFOLDED YOU.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by mmimahbub(m): 3:56pm On Sep 18, 2012
anelka101: Illetriacy and ignorance kills faster than AIDS.
i just watch the movie on ytube now,if its not madness,this has'nt gotten to the stage of killing.
Tooooo bad
The killing of innocents is bad. But the film is unacceptable and strongly offensive in Islam. We have to protest because all Muslims are worshiping one God. Islam in America is same as Islam in anywhere, and also insult to Islam in America is insult to Islam and Muslims anywhere.
NB: please don't compare any impure, man-edited religion to Islam. You can happily watch a film insulting the acclaimed Jesus you worship without bordering (yeah, imagine na your mother dem insult nd see how u go react) but in Islam, we keep the respect and see the dignity of our beloved Prophet.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by grandlexuz(m): 7:01pm On Sep 19, 2012
mmi-mahbub:

The killing of innocents is bad. But the film is unacceptable and strongly offensive in Islam. We have to protest because all Muslims are worshiping one God. Islam in America is same as Islam in anywhere, and also insult to Islam in America is insult to Islam and Muslims anywhere.
NB: please don't compare any impure, man-edited religion to Islam. You can happily watch a film insulting the acclaimed Jesus you worship without bordering (yeah, imagine na your mother dem insult nd see how u go react) but in Islam, we keep the respect and see the dignity of our beloved Prophet.

I will fight when my mother is being insulted because I see her and know her and feel her. You fight for Mohammed that you never knew or saw. Do not you think if Mohammed was a true prophet God ought to fight for him. There are a lot of documentaries depicting Jesus as a common magician, married to several wives, false prophet etc. A few years ago there was a movie produced called the Davinci code. It was a total insult to Christianity and Jesus Christ. Yet not even the most extremist of Christians got to the streets asking for people to be killed. National Geography does air insulting documentaries about the life of Jesus every now and then, but Christians do not go on rampage. The truth is Christianity is a very tolerant Religion and as we respect our Most High we allow him to fight battles insulting to his person and being. Me think because Mohammed knew he was fake and there was no God to fight for him he had to lay down violence codes for his followers to do the fight for him. How can you kill innocent people over the production of a film. I tire oooo.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by grandlexuz(m): 7:08pm On Sep 19, 2012
mmi-mahbub:

The killing of innocents is bad. But the film is unacceptable and strongly offensive in Islam. We have to protest because all Muslims are worshiping one God. Islam in America is same as Islam in anywhere, and also insult to Islam in America is insult to Islam and Muslims anywhere.
NB: please don't compare any impure, man-edited religion to Islam. You can happily watch a film insulting the acclaimed Jesus you worship without bordering (yeah, imagine na your mother dem insult nd see how u go react) but in Islam, we keep the respect and see the dignity of our beloved Prophet.

You think Christianity in America is different from Christianity in Africa? When you talk of impure man edited Religions, I suppose you have Christianity inclusive. I am a Christian but that does not give me the right to poke your heart with a knife for saying my Religion is impure. I guess if I was by you and said that of Islam you would have cut my throat. What makes you think Islam is pure? The very existence of violence at every branch of it makes it totally impure. When you hear of a Christian extremist group, it is one that engages in prayers, healing, peace, but when you hear of a Muslim extremist group it is one that kills even their own children.. Too sad!
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by warrior01: 7:25pm On Sep 19, 2012
grandlexuz:

You think Christianity in America is different from Christianity in Africa? When you talk of impure man edited Religions, I suppose you have Christianity inclusive. I am a Christian but that does not give me the right to poke your heart with a knife for saying my Religion is impure. I guess if I was by you and said that of Islam you would have cut my throat. What makes you think Islam is pure? The very existence of violence at every branch of it makes it totally impure. When you hear of a Christian extremist group, it is one that engages in prayers, healing, peace, but when you hear of a Muslim extremist group it is one that kills even their own children.. Too sad!
It baffles me when ordinary mortals take upon themselves to fight for a god they don't see. Is it that allah's hands are too short to fight for himself? All extremist should know that mohammed who they are fight for cannot create even a fingernail of some innocent fellow they murdered. Let God fight for man and not man for God.
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by grandlexuz(m): 8:37pm On Sep 19, 2012
talk2me006: . YOU

ABEG GO SIT DOWN.YOU LACK POINT!
YOUR SENTIMENTAL MIND HAS BLINDFOLDED YOU.

Must every Muslim be blindfolded, ignorant and stupid!
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by Nobody: 9:40pm On Sep 19, 2012
Actually, Islam mandates death for non-Muslim subjects who mention "something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam" ('Umdat al-Salik, o11.10), and such laws go back to passages in the Hadith and Sira in which Muhammad orders the murders of people who have insulted him, including Abu ‘Afak, who was over one hundred years old, and the poetess ‘Asma bint Marwan. Abu ‘Afak was killed in his sleep, in response to Muhammad's question, “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?” Similarly, Muhammad on another occasion cried out, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan?” One of his followers, ‘Umayr ibn ‘Adi, went to her house that night, where he found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn’t stop ‘Umayr from murdering her and the baby as well. Muhammad commended him: “You have done a great service to Allah and His Messenger, ‘Umayr!” (Ibn Ishaq, 674-676)
Then there was Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf. Muhammad asked: "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" One of the Muslims, Muhammad bin Maslama answered, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)." Muhammad responded: "You may say it." Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka'b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369)
Likewise Islam QA calls for death for blasphemers, using both Qur'an and Hadith to make its argument:
I heard on a tape that whoever insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should be executed even if he shows that he has repented. Should he be killed as a hadd punishment or because of kufr? If his repentance is sincere, will Allaah forgive him or will he go to Hell and his repentance will be of no avail?
Praise be to Allaah.
The answer to this question may be given by addressing the two following issues:
1 - The ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi 'Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16
This ruling is indicated by the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
In the Qur'aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):
"The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur'aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: '(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.'
If you ask them (about this), they declare: 'We were only talking idly and joking.' Say: 'Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?'
Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed"
[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]
This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir [unbeliever], whether he was serious or joking.
With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from 'Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn 'Abbaas which we will quote below.
This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn 'Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, "I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up." The blind man stood up and said, "O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her." Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her."
(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)
It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her.
Al-Nasaa'i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, 'Shall I kill him?' He rebuked me and said, 'That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .'" (Saheeh al-Nasaa'i, 3795)
It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs.
The second issue is: if a person who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, should his repentance be accepted or not?
The scholars are agreed that if such a person repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.
But they differed as to whether his repentance should be accepted in this world and whether that means he is no longer subject to the sentence of execution.
Maalik and Ahmad were of the view that it should not be accepted, and that he should be killed even if he has repented.
They quoted as evidence the Sunnah and proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:
In the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqaas said: "On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh... As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with 'Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, "O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of 'Abd-Allaah." He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: "Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance?" They said, "We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes?" He said, "It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes."
(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334)
This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant.
'Abd-Allaah ibn Sa'd was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult. Then he became Muslim again and was a good Muslim, may Allaah be pleased with him. Al-Saarim 115.
With regard to proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:
They said that insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has to do with two rights, the right of Allaah and the right of a human being. With regard to the right of Allaah, this is obvious, because it is casting aspersions upon His Message, His Book and His Religion. As for the right of a human being, this is also obvious, because it is like trying to slander the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by this insult. In a case which involves both the rights of Allaah and the rights of a human being, the rights of the human beings are not dropped when the person repents, as in the case of the punishment for banditry, because if the bandit has killed someone, that means that he must be executed and crucified. But if he repents before he is caught, then the right of Allaah over him, that he should be executed and crucified, no longer applies, but the rights of other humans with regard to qisaas (retaliatory punishment) still stand. The same applies in this case. If the one who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, then the rights of Allaah no longer apply, but there remains the right of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which still stand despite his repentance.
If it is said, "Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?" The answer is:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.
Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438
Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a valuable book on this matter, entitled al-Saarim al-Maslool 'ala Shaatim al-Rasool which every believer should read, especially in these times when a lot of hypocrites and heretics dare to insult the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because they see that the Muslims are careless and feel little protective jealousy towards their religion and their Prophet, and they do not implement the shar'i punishment which would deter these people and their ilk from committing this act of blatant kufr [unbelief].
And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions.

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Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by lchristina: 11:21pm On Sep 19, 2012
Everyone is fighting...whether it be internally, externally...race, religion, color...we have allowed ourselves to be consumed with fear of one another...we all claim we want unity...but are taught to fight against it...I'm from america and was hoping it was not true...that they were fighting for a different reason (not that there is a good reason to go on a murdering spree undecided) ...but not over an ill written movie angry ...I'm confused then...they say peace and blessings be to Allah...is Allah the only one who is granted peace while his followers constantly live in fear (of themselves as well as others)?....i mean no disrespect, but i am curious...there has been fighting for centuries...when will enough be enough and people realize life is just a mirage of experiences,,,no one experiences are the same....everyone is entitled to living their life in respect to others..why can't we all have our own opinions while at the same time be on the same page....
Re: Security Beefed-Up In The North Over Movie On Prophet Mohammed by talk2me006(m): 10:06am On Sep 20, 2012
grandlexuz:

I will fight when my mother is being insulted because I see her and know her and feel her. You fight for Mohammed that you never knew or saw. Do not you think if Mohammed was a true prophet God ought to fight for him. There are a lot of documentaries depicting Jesus as a common magician, married to several wives, false prophet etc. A few years ago there was a movie produced called the Davinci code. It was a total insult to Christianity and Jesus Christ. Yet not even the most extremist of Christians got to the streets asking for people to be killed. National Geography does air insulting documentaries about the life of Jesus every now and then, but Christians do not go on rampage. The truth is Christianity is a very tolerant Religion and as we respect our Most High we allow him to fight battles insulting to his person and being. Me think because Mohammed knew he was fake and there was no God to fight for him he had to lay down violence codes for his followers to do the fight for him. How can you kill innocent people over the production of a film. I tire oooo.
mr ignorant!
did u see your jesus while worshiping him?
our prophet is more important than your mother and our mother

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