alj harem:

Thank you oga mi How things na ?

We thank God and hope for economic recovery. You know say situation don wowo when akata join you drink garri.

Dudu_Negro:

We thank God and hope for economic recovery. You know say situation don wowo when akata join you drink garri.

that bad na wa o we hope for the best egbon

ekt_bear: Alj Harem:

Then no matter what he says, you will condemn it.

If he says, "The senate should remain", you will say it is because his wife is a senator.

If he says, "The senate is redundant and should go", you will say his wife got the chance to benefit from it.


So it seems to me that there is absolutely no answer he can give on this topic that will satisfy you.

Doesn't that seem unfair? I get that you hate the man...but if you will disagree if he says YES and will also disagree if he says NO, then that suggests confusion on your part.

I agreed with him and I mentioned that but the issue if we follow the thread has changed from " what tinubu said" to " Tinubu the hypocrite" that is if you have been following tinubu since 1999.

Desola:


Pick a number!

No, I really didn't think that Kats deserved the stick he got on this thread. He is a real gentleman who rose to defend my honour and I appreciate him (I know this will make Fagamite mad ). A real man does not get into a fight with a woman. At most he ignores her and does not suffer fools gladly but not the resident half man we have on this thread. It is a shame though because I really held the said half man in high esteem. I did. But now, I would not be able to look at his posts the same way any more.

Even if he had ignored ur initial post,U'ld still come back on his subsequent posts being d type of person U are.Afterall,he was yet 2 even make a reply b4 U pallied with ur like folks and continued d insults b4 I came in. A virtuous and responsible woman doesn't throw insults like U did even when it was totally unwarranted.A real man doesn't tolerate sh1t just like Gbawe did. U myt be used 2 bullying ur hubby at home but not evryman can be a weakling.U can view his subsequent posts in whatever form U like,no one gives a damn.This is a public forum where everyone says his/her own opinion and debate.If U do not agree to a post, quote it and put 4ward ur contradictions in a civil manner rather than turning a civil debate into a market trash with ur uncultured behaviour.

naturalwaves:
Even if he had ignored ur initial post,U'ld still come back on his subsequent posts being d type of person U are.Afterall,he was yet 2 even make a reply b4 U pallied with ur like folks and continued d insults b4 I came in. A virtuous and responsible woman doesn't throw insults like U did even when it was totally unwarranted.A real man doesn't tolerate sh1t just like Gbawe did. U myt be used 2 bullying ur hubby at home but not evryman can be a weakling.U can view his subsequent posts in whatever form U like,no one gives a damn.This is a public forum where everyone says his/her own opinion and debate.If U do not agree to a post, quote it and put 4ward ur contradictions in a civil manner rather than turning a civil debate into a market trash with ur uncultured behaviour.

Oh please GTFOH!!!! We have moved on

ekt_bear:

Sure, let me even concede that it is nepotism.

But...nepotism is a different sin from hypocrisy.

And nepotism has nothing to do with whether his call for abolishment is wrong or right, does it?

Why can't we discuss the issue on its own merits rather than making it again about Tinubu?

If you like, pretend that it was some random person unconnected to politics at all who made this proposal.

Do you agree with the proposal, or not?

I believe he is right. As it stands some of the tiers of government are redundant. Dissolving the Senate will help reduce Federal establishment and though it may not speed up return to regional govt, a desire of ACN, it nonetheless severes a component of FG that is used to benefit the executive moreso than serving the people with enactment of laws......

Katsumoto: At the end of the day - the initial hot debate about ACN policies and progress has been swept under the carpet. So also was the discussion about DemDem's SNC and restructuring of the federation.

To be honest, am hurt.

Dudu_Negro:

I believe he is right. As it stands some of the tiers of government are redundant. Dissolving the Senate will help reduce Federal establishment and though it may not speed up return to regional govt, a desire of ACN, it nonetheless severes a component of FG that is used to benefit the executive moreso than serving the people with enactment of laws......

If the senate is dissolved, wouldn't minorities become even more marginalised?! Would the legislature then be structured so that each state get equal representation ?

If you restructure the federation along regional lines, you will end up a smaller house of rep, a smaller senate, a legislative with proper checks and balance, protection for minorities, and reduce NASS spending.

You need the senate or upper house.

If Tinubu is interested in reducing waste, let his party sponsor a bill demanding that NASS spending be reduced by 50% for a start.

They add no value, sleep in NASS, and earn more than the president of the richest nation. Fc.uking ridiculous.

Katsumoto: If you restructure the federation along regional lines, you will end up a smaller house of rep, a smaller senate, a legislative with proper checks and balance, protection for minorities, and reduce NASS spending.

You need the senate or upper house.

I don't think two houses at the federal level is needed if we are divided region wise. What for? Remember that the bulk of the power enjoyed at the federal level now would have been shifted to the regions who now controls their resources. Just a house with equal representation is ok for me.

olivertwist: You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Yorubas are their own enemies. Bad governance, we complain, good governance we complain, what else do we want this Tinubu to do. He rescued SW from the grip of PDP, if he didn't care for the SW people, he could've done away with the likes of Fashola and bring in the likes of Akalas and nothing will happen, but he didn't. Why can't we for once look at the message and not the messanger.

Tinubu call for state police, No way.
Tinubu call for SNC, No way.
Tinubu call for new revenue formula, No way.
Tinubu calls for the privatization of Power, No way...and what is GEJ doing now?
Tinubu wants INEC to be the one to elect state resident electoral officers, No way.
Tinubu calls for the scrap of the senate, not minding the fact that it'll affect his wife, No way.
Tinubu calls for equity and fairness in election, No way.
Tinubu calls for regional autonomy, No way.
Tinubu calls for creation of more local govts in Lagos state, No way.
Tinubu calls for constitutional review, no way.

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Yes Tinubu rescued the SW from PDP

So there is no need for stakeholders to call for BETTER transparency, reduced nepotism and favouritism, efficient allocation of resources, increased emphasis on growth.

Yes, the job is done. Lets all go home and rest knowing fully well that the PDP has been defeated because there is no chance of PDP returning or ACN turning to PDP.

naijababe:


If the senate is dissolved, wouldn't minorities become even more marginalised?! Would the legislature then be structured so that each state get equal representation ?

Does the senate as present represent or protect the right of minorities? By the way, do you mean ETHNIC minorities or low-population states?

It seems some folks still don't understand how things are in Naija. Chuck the Senate but at the end of the day, you will still have zero progress. The saved money will be shared. Nothing for the common man. The rot is much deeper than some understand it to be

Demdem:

I don't think two houses at the federal level is needed if we are divided region wise. What for? Remember that the bulk of the power enjoyed at the federal level now would have been shifted to the regions who now controls their resources. Just a house with equal representation is ok for me.

Agreed

I overlooked that. I was focusing on restructing.

ekt_bear:

Does the senate as present represent or protect the right of minorities? By the way, do you mean ETHNIC minorities or low-population states?

Low population states. I think the senate as it is currently represents the right of minorities to an extent. Ogun State has 3 senators representing Egba, Ijebu and Yewa districts despite Yewa possibly being the least populated district.

shymexx: Eko_Ile has been shockingly quiet today...

Cheer up, brudda..

Must I attend to every rif raf and attention seeking homo/sexualll on NL

I know Gbawe gas you up a little bit, but don't get carried away and overstate your importance.

Our military boys didn't have any House. What did they do with the money?

Ola one: Our military boys didn't have any House. What did they do with the money?

And our military also had guns, no one could question their authority. At least, we can make noise without receiving letter bombs or disappearing without trace for speaking against the government.

Eko Ile:
Must I attend to every rif raf and attention seeking homo/sexualll on NL

I know Gbawe gas you up a little bit, but don't get carried away and overstate your importance.

What importance? Fam, you think I care about ratings on an anonymous forum like you do?? You're definitely having a laugh!!!

Just lurk and enjoy the discourse!!

Ola one: It seems some folks still don't understand how things are in Naija. Chuck the Senate but at the end of the day, you will still have zero progress. The saved money will be shared. Nothing for the common man. The rot is much deeper than some understand it to be

Hmmm...THIS!

naijababe:


If the senate is dissolved, wouldn't minorities become even more marginalised?! Would the legislature then be structured so that each state get equal representation ?

Yes, thats what will happen. You are correct in that this will agitate them for equity in the center. No state will donate its seat to another and therfore the equity must be accomplished by other means. Lobbying new alliances along true ethnic identity.......therefore a scale back from the center and into regionally controlled politics.

naijababe:

And our military also had guns, no one could question their authority. At least, we can make noise without receiving letter bombs or disappearing without trace for speaking against the government.

They had guns, they had no Senate, no HOR, yet no progress. The more the oil revenue, the bigger their Ghana-must-go bags.


So, this call by Tinubu is simply counter-intuitive.

shymexx:

What importance? Fam, you think I care about ratings on an anonymous forum like you do?? You're definitely having a laugh!!!

Just lurk and enjoy the discourse!!

What I'm saying is, discuss the topic and quit running after other men and seeking unnecessary attention on NL, unlike you, some of us are not homo/sexuallll.

SFTU and discuss the Topic, Eko Ile is not the topic and I don't need your attention or you yelling my name all over the place or craving my penisssss.

Get back inside your closet.

.......if the Federal govt wil not divest power willingly, by eroding the institutions that govt subsist on you invariably move people away from the government and into self sufficiency.

Eko Ile:


What I'm saying is, discuss the topic and quit running after other men and seeking unnecessary attention on NL, unlike you, some of us are not homo/sexuallll.

SFTU and discuss the Topic, Eko Ile is not the topic and I don't need your attention or you yelling my name all over the place or craving my penisssss.

Get back inside your closet.

Thought he was joking. Enough of this, guys.

Dudu_Negro:

Yes, thats what will happen. You are correct in that this will agitate them for equity in the center. No state will donate its seat to another and therfore the equity must be accomplished by other means. Lobbying new alliances along true ethnic identity.......therefore a scale back from the center and into regionally controlled politics.

My government studies is rather rusty but I think this suggestion is likely to move us towards regionalism and if that's what's veiled behind Tinubu's call, I agree.

naijababe:

My government studies is rather rusty but I think this suggestion is likely to move us towards regionalism and if that's what's veiled behind Tinubu's call, I agree.

"veiled" ......thats the keyword!

Now who says Tinubu is not smart?

Ola one:
They had guns, they had no Senate, no HOR, yet no progress. The more the oil revenue, the bigger their Ghana-must-go bags.


So, this call by Tinubu is simply counter-intuitive.

Hmmm, call me easily pleased but we have it better than we did under the military. That we can air our opinions and call our president the silliest names both in print and cyberspace is enough testament to that.

The Nigerian electorate still remains fairly ignorant of their rights and that to an extent perpetuates the rot.

Ola one:
Thought he was joking. Enough of this, guys.

He wasn't and even if he was, I don't care and I don't need his joke.

naijababe:

Hmmm, call me easily pleased but we have it better than we did under the military. That we can air our opinions and call our president the silliest names both in print and cyberspace is enough testament to that.

The Nigerian electorate still remains fairly ignorant of their rights and that to an extent perpetuates the rot.

I agree.

Eko Ile:


He wasn't and even if he was, I don't care and I don't need his joke.

Alright.





Night, guys.

As far I'm concerned, Tinubu's call for the abolition of the Senate is self-serving. Any unbiased follower of politics in Nigeria will see that the Nigerian problem is not the Senate but the Senators who have abdicated their responsiblities in pursuit of self enrichment. The legislature, of all arms of government should be the epitome of fiscal responsility but the Nigerian version has become a breeding ground for gangsters of all calling. Abolishing the Senate will be akin to throwing away the baby with the bath water. Highers standards for election into the legislature should be more stringent than what obtains today. As far as I'm concerned, certain individuals have no business being in the senate. How can one fanthom a scenario where a senator has no rudimentary knowledge of lawmaking, sits in the chamber for 8 years and does not sponsor a single bill. That is ridiculous to say the least.

As per the ACN brouhaha, I've consistently said it that both ACN and PDP are two fingers of the same leprous hand. The fact that Nigerians are fed up of PDP and its shenanigans since 1999 does not in any way grant the Tinubu and his ACN messiah status. A huge chunk of ACN members esp in the SE and SS were all disgrutled PDP cast outs and I'm forced to see the ACN as a better alternative? HELL NO!! I frankly beg to differ. As far as I'm concerned, Tinubu is building his own army and if the ACN peradventure takes over the presidency, Nigeria will be worse for it.