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Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 5:03pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
wiegraf: Hmmmm.... Where did this "lot more" come from? Btw, you do know about the conservation of energy, yes? Yeeeeah? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by edcode(f): 5:25pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Delafruita: confusion of gargantuan proportion.if dumbos look at the earth and say 'this world is so beautiful and precise there has to be a creator" why not apply the same logic to god?who created the perfect god?IntresTING |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 6:08pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
mkmyers45: Quantum mechanics and mainstream physics are not the same..anyway Uncertainty arises solely as a result of Matter-Wave Nature so it affects all things as it is a fundamental property of quantum systems. Every Particle exhibit both wave and particle properties. Why do they? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 6:10pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
mkmyers45: You cannot create what is can you? Please detail any failed attempts that you know of. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:47pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: So Who Created God? By very definition, an eternal Being has always existed—nobody created Him. God is the Self-Existent One—the great "I Am" of the Bible. He is outside time; in fact, He created time. Think about it this way: everything that has a beginning requires a cause. The universe has a beginning and therefore requires a cause. But God has no beginning since He is beyond time. So God does not need a cause. There is nothing illogical about an eternal Being who has always existed even though it might be difficult to fully understand. You might argue, "But that means I have to accept this by faith because I can't totally understand it." We read in the book of Hebrews: "But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6). What kind of faith is Christianity then? It is not blind faith as some may think. In fact, it is the evolutionists who deny the Creator who have the blind "faith." They have to believe in something (i.e., that information can arise from disorder by chance) which goes against real science. But Christ, through the Holy Spirit, actually opens the eyes of Christians so that they can see that their faith is real. The Christian faith is a logically defensible faith. This is why the Bible makes it very clear that anyone who does not believe in God is without excuse: "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20). http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/is-there-really-a-god
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Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by thehomer: 6:57pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Well you should seriously consider what experts in a field have to say especially if you're not an expert yourself. Deep Sight: I started doing that in your extended cosmological argument here. Deep Sight: I thought I'd already done something like that with you here. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by mkmyers45(m): 12:43am On Oct 13, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:I have answered that.. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by mkmyers45(m): 12:45am On Oct 13, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:Re-read my post..Every Particle exhibit both wave and particle properties because its a fundamental of quantum systems and this nature has been proven beyond doubt.. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by plaetton: 1:31am On Oct 13, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: You pictures say it all. The blind faith fool has as coloured skin, and the wise know-it-all guy is white skinned. What is the picture trying to tell you? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 7:45am On Oct 13, 2012 |
mkmyers45: I have answered that.. Sorry, could you reiterate? I either missed it or misunderstood it. In any event, I didn't recognize an answer. mkmyers45: Re-read my post..Every Particle exhibit both wave and particle properties because its a fundamental of quantum systems and this nature has been proven beyond doubt.. I think you do not get the point of my question. The question was tabled to examine the truth of the claim that the simple evolves into the complex. If that claim is true, then describing the uncertainty principle and showing why it should exist at all should not be a difficult matter. As it is, saying that the macroscopic entities exhibit it because it is a fundamental of quantum systems does not quite say why such a principle exists at all? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 8:04am On Oct 13, 2012 |
Stop raping science @ihe. Math doesn't lie http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/03/quantum-interference-with-big-molecules-approaches-the-macroscopic/ |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:08am On Oct 13, 2012 |
plaetton: Colour is only skin deep. Must you see everything through the prism of colours? What would you then say about the pikshure below? 1 Share
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Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by mkmyers45(m): 9:45am On Oct 13, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:It does dosent it? Are you a physicist? Macroscopic wavelenghts are usually insignificant but upon breakdown to micromolecules the wave duality is visibly observable...All Bodies have wavelenght that obviously give them the duality because some phenomena occuring in a body transcends particle behaviours hence the discovery that particle and wave duality was indeed integrally interplayed eg Photoelectric effect - Photons striking a metal as particles and going off as particle/waved electrons depending on medium we can see the standing waves and the mass of an electron obviously makes it a particle. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 11:05am On Oct 13, 2012 |
DeeTeeMan: Guys, gbajumos and oloyes if you can try to replace what you call God with NATURE then you can see where your points (and opinions) fit-in with the global picture.In other words, let's call the first cause, Nature. We will end up digging a deeper hole. You will encounter tougher questions like: What is nature? What form does it possess? Does it have an awareness that it can create? Is it self-sufficient? Etc |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 3:04pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Kay 17:Question: What was Kay 17 doing before he came on Nairaland? Answer: Being Kay 17 Follow up Question: Being Kay 17 and doing what? Answer: Only Kay 17 can answer that. Ask Kay 17 |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 3:18pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Yeah, on a slightly different note, what's your answer to the being issue? If god created being, then how god 'being' before he created it? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 3:38pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf:lol, all you just succeeded in doing was play on semantics, nothing more.....and bad semantics at that. "being" is a qualifier and not a noun. It is used in describe the quality that something is. But since you are treating "being" as an object, I'll have to ask you to define "being" on it's own and not as an attribute but as a thing in its own right. Where you cannot, we'll admit that your question is really nonsense and we'll move on. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 3:58pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Existing Cheap tricking anony is attempting cheap tricks |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 4:11pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf:lol, first he asks a silly question and then when it is is pointed out to him, he accuses me of cheap tricks. if being means existing, then it is a quality of an entity and not an entity in itself. You have failed to define "being" as a thing in it's own right. We can now move on |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 4:13pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony:. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Hahahahahahahahahaha Wth sort of answer is this? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 4:16pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf: .hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! What sort of question was that? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 4:21pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: A very valid one that you can't anony out of. So, god doesn't create qualities/properties? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 4:36pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf:it is an invalid question. It is silly. like asking if one can do doing or speak speaking or be being or eat eating. I will have to ask you what it means to do doing. You have only just succeeded in doing awful semantics. Don't even kid yourself that your question has any bit of intellect in it |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 4:57pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Anony, you make me sad . Anytime you come across a potential wharrgarbl you start with the accusations. These are very, very valid questions. You don't like the answer does not make them silly. Your behavior exposes how weak your supposed faith is if you have to resort to these shenanigans when your sophistry fails (well, being sophistry, it's supposed to fail, sort of). I didn't attack you, I asked a valid question out of curiosity initially and you answered with your now infamous defensive 'lol'... Now not so curious though anymore. Are you saying god did not create 'existing', yes or no? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 5:55pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf: I don't laugh in self-defence, I laugh when I find something amusing. Of course you are not attacking me, your question is just silly and it doesn't matter how many "valids" you put before it, they don't make the silliness go away. you still have not explained exactly what you mean by "creating existing". If you want us to play the game of stupid semantics, I'll suggest you go find another playmate. . . .or you can at least explain what it means to "create existing" that's if you are interested in having a sensible conversation basic english lesson: intelligible statements come in the form of object-verb-subject. Your statement comes in the form of object-verb-verb. It is unintelligible in other words - nonsense. |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 6:00pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Story story Did god create concepts? Ultimately concepts like numbers? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 6:18pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Yeeeeeah!!! Give it to him, twin bro, @Mr Anony. Gee, I'm so loving this! |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by wiegraf: 6:28pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Yeeeeeah!!! Give it to him, twin bro, @Mr Anony. Gee, I'm so loving this! You'll have your way with me when I'm buried. Even then I doubt that. As for now making up a sad excuse to not answer is rather pathetic. There's also.... But worry not, considering that neanderthal @vedax seems to know my real name, I am now worried that these may be the last days... |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Kay17: 7:11pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
@anony I'm badly disappointed at you. How is asking what God was doing before he created everything, during his infinite lifetime silly?! O_o oR is God unquestionable? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by Nobody: 7:16pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf: What do you mean, man? |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 7:18pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
wiegraf:lol, you are beginning to sound as childish as macdaddy these days (even macdaddy is don dey grow small small). You are still doing the same thing here. A number is an abstract used in describing entities it is not an entity by itself. You should have to tell us exactly what it means to create a number. For instance If you ask: Did God create 4? you must tell us what it means to create 4. . . .or 4 of what? Please do us all a favour and start asking intelligible questions |
Re: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by MrAnony1(m): 7:24pm On Oct 13, 2012 |
Kay 17: @anonyHmm, I don't remember describing your question as silly. What are you really disappointed about? |
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