Taken from HERE
Verse 9:29 of Surah at-tauba is probably the intentionally most misinterpreted verse of the Quran. This is what it says: -
“ Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” S. 9:29 Y. Ali
Dear brother mansour, I totally understand you when you say that this verse promotes violence on a cursory glance. But if you read it carefully you’ll find that it doesn’t. I hope you will be patient enough to be with me throughout the end of this article.
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth” .
My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
1. PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS .
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya isapplicable only in an Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased, unknowledgable and unfair the media is and it hurts us deeply.
I can show whole verses from other scriptures that are truly inhuman, yet no one questions them. Do you want a sample? Ill give it to you at the end. I promise.
2. THE VERSE DOES NOT ASK THE MUSLIMS TO DO FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS.
Again, the verse permits the muslims to fight the non –muslims in an islamic state ONLY and ONLY if they refuse to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation if you are not sure. But once they pay the jizya tax they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will be under an Islamic state. You can still forgive them by not forcing them into Islam, nor oppressing them or being bad to them because of their wrong beliefs.
3. QURAN NEVER SAYS TO KILL THE DISBELIEVERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DISBELIEVE.
This is not to you brother coz I consider you as a truly respectable friend. To others who read this article – I openly challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers. There are verses which permit the Muslims to fight and kill non-Muslims. But every time sensible and reasonable conditions are laid. I can show you all verses from other religious scriptures where slaughtering is done for reasons that are as silly and stupid as honor, glory and greatness. Sometimes for fun too. Wait till the end of the article to have a sample.
4. JIZYA ISN’T A RANSOM OR A BAD THING
Coming back to the verse, now people might say isn’t it unfair that they have to pay the jizya tax? Not really. Since when is punishment for refusal to pay lawful taxes considered as terrorism? Also, the jizya tax is very cheap and affordable, and it grants the non-Muslim’s many benefits, benefits which even the Muslims don’t get! For instance, the non-Muslims who are paying jizya in an Islamic state are not obliged to take part in any battle or war, unless they themselves choose to , the Muslimsdo not have this choice . Muslims have to actually burn their asses out to protect both Muslims and non-Muslims living in their lands . Also if the Islamic state cannot grant protection to the non-Muslims then the non-Muslims are not obliged to pay the jizya tax, since Muslims themselves must meet expectations for the jizya tax to be implemented. Also, Society today has no problem in paying taxes to the government, so therefore they should have no problem in paying a tax in an Islamic state either.
There you go my friend, verse 9:29 doesn’t encourage the muslims to do terrorism. It is a perfectly fair and just verse. Just throw this article on the face of anybody who tries to misrepresent islam to you in the future.
5. EVERY AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN HAS THE WORD “UNTIL” OR “TILL” INTHE VERSE 9:29
I could lay my hands on 7 different english translations of the quran and ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CONDITION :-
1. “[And] fight against those who – despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] –do not [truly] believe either in God or the last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon the], till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand , after having been humbled [in war]” 9:29 Asad’s Translation
2. “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Malik’s Translation
3. “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9 :29 Yusuf Ali’s Translation
4. “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily , being brought low.” 9:29 Pickthall’s Translation
5. “Fight against those who believe not in Allâh, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission , and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Muhsin Khan’s Translation
6. “Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.” 9 :29 Mufti Taqi Usmani’s Translation
7. “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” 9:29 Sahih International Translation
6 . FIGHTING NEED NOT ALWAYS BE PHYSICAL, IT CAN ALSO BE INTELLECTUAL
Finally, people might now say well isn’t Islam violent because Muslims are commanded to fightthose who do not believe in God and so on etc etc. Not really, because fighting in this verse doesnot explicitly mean physical violence. Observe the words in the above verses like “ willingly” , “willing submission” , “readily” etc. Here it is spoken about bringing a change from within the hearts of people which is brought about intellectually . There are many ways in which you fight against somebody that does not involve a physical aspect. You can fight someone with the tongue, using your wisdom and telling him about the truth, you are fighting against the lies that person is propagating and eventually with your tongue you will speak the truth and crush his lies leading him to the truth. So fightingdoes not have to only be physical.

Quick Noble Verses that refute the terrorism LIE in Islam:
“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth nottransgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190) “
“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou(also) incline towards peace , and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61) “
“If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee : for I do fear God, the cherisherof the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28) “
“ God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves justdealers. (The Noble Quran, 60: “
“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193) “
“ Let there be no compulsion in religion : Truthstands out clear from error: whoever rejects eviland believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The NobleQuran, 2:256) “
“Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them alone , to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3) “
“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it) :…… (The Noble Quran, 18:29) “
“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99) “
“Say: ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54) “
“Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6) “

tintingz: Taken from HERE
Verse 9:29 of Surah at-tauba is probably the intentionally most misinterpreted verse of the Quran. This is what it says: -
“ Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” S. 9:29 Y. Ali
Dear brother mansour, I totally understand you when you say that this verse promotes violence on a cursory glance. But if you read it carefully you’ll find that it doesn’t. I hope you will be patient enough to be with me throughout the end of this article.
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth” .
My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
1. PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS .
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya isapplicable only in an Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased, unknowledgable and unfair the media is and it hurts us deeply.
I can show whole verses from other scriptures that are truly inhuman, yet no one questions them. Do you want a sample? Ill give it to you at the end. I promise.
2. THE VERSE DOES NOT ASK THE MUSLIMS TO DO FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS.
Again, the verse permits the muslims to fight the non –muslims in an islamic state ONLY and ONLY if they refuse to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation if you are not sure. But once they pay the jizya tax they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will be under an Islamic state. You can still forgive them by not forcing them into Islam, nor oppressing them or being bad to them because of their wrong beliefs.
3. QURAN NEVER SAYS TO KILL THE DISBELIEVERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DISBELIEVE.
This is not to you brother coz I consider you as a truly respectable friend. To others who read this article – I openly challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers. There are verses which permit the Muslims to fight and kill non-Muslims. But every time sensible and reasonable conditions are laid. I can show you all verses from other religious scriptures where slaughtering is done for reasons that are as silly and stupid as honor, glory and greatness. Sometimes for fun too. Wait till the end of the article to have a sample.
4. JIZYA ISN’T A RANSOM OR A BAD THING
Coming back to the verse, now people might say isn’t it unfair that they have to pay the jizya tax? Not really. Since when is punishment for refusal to pay lawful taxes considered as terrorism? Also, the jizya tax is very cheap and affordable, and it grants the non-Muslim’s many benefits, benefits which even the Muslims don’t get! For instance, the non-Muslims who are paying jizya in an Islamic state are not obliged to take part in any battle or war, unless they themselves choose to , the Muslimsdo not have this choice . Muslims have to actually burn their asses out to protect both Muslims and non-Muslims living in their lands . Also if the Islamic state cannot grant protection to the non-Muslims then the non-Muslims are not obliged to pay the jizya tax, since Muslims themselves must meet expectations for the jizya tax to be implemented. Also, Society today has no problem in paying taxes to the government, so therefore they should have no problem in paying a tax in an Islamic state either.
There you go my friend, verse 9:29 doesn’t encourage the muslims to do terrorism. It is a perfectly fair and just verse. Just throw this article on the face of anybody who tries to misrepresent islam to you in the future.
5. EVERY AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN HAS THE WORD “UNTIL” OR “TILL” INTHE VERSE 9:29
I could lay my hands on 7 different english translations of the quran and ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CONDITION :-
1. “[And] fight against those who – despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] –do not [truly] believe either in God or the last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon the], till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand , after having been humbled [in war]” 9:29 Asad’s Translation
2. “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Malik’s Translation
3. “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9 :29 Yusuf Ali’s Translation
4. “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily , being brought low.” 9:29 Pickthall’s Translation
5. “Fight against those who believe not in Allâh, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission , and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Muhsin Khan’s Translation
6. “Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.” 9 :29 Mufti Taqi Usmani’s Translation
7. “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” 9:29 Sahih International Translation
6 . FIGHTING NEED NOT ALWAYS BE PHYSICAL, IT CAN ALSO BE INTELLECTUAL
Finally, people might now say well isn’t Islam violent because Muslims are commanded to fightthose who do not believe in God and so on etc etc. Not really, because fighting in this verse doesnot explicitly mean physical violence. Observe the words in the above verses like “ willingly” , “willing submission” , “readily” etc. Here it is spoken about bringing a change from within the hearts of people which is brought about intellectually . There are many ways in which you fight against somebody that does not involve a physical aspect. You can fight someone with the tongue, using your wisdom and telling him about the truth, you are fighting against the lies that person is propagating and eventually with your tongue you will speak the truth and crush his lies leading him to the truth. So fightingdoes not have to only be physical.

O gbadun rara wit dis useless article of urs,NONSENCE!!! Jesus Christ is d lord!

kemoolala:
O gbadun rara wit dis useless article of urs,NONSENCE!!! Jesus Christ is d lord!

se o gbadun sha? ode oshi. . .you better learn from it, hypocrite! . . .Jesus is lord on what bases?? Thank God you said he's lord not God almighty

tintingz: se o gbadun sha? ode oshi. . .you better learn from it, hypocrite! . . .Jesus is lord on what bases?? Thank God you said he's lord not God almighty

HE IS THE GOD and not even u of all pple can change the fact that HE IS GOD!

@ tintingz or wat do u call urself? JESUS CHRIST is the GOD. I know u must av been confused by now, HE IS THE LORD ALMIGHTY and no controversy about dat. HE is the FATHER, HE is the SON and HE is the HOLY SPIRIT. confused? kole ye e, its a misery dat is only revealed to those that are in the spirit. HE IS A GOD of TRINITY.

kemoolala: @ tintingz or wat do u call urself? JESUS CHRIST is the GOD. I know u must av been confused by now, HE IS THE LORD ALMIGHTY and no controversy about dat. HE is the FATHER, HE is the SON and HE is the HOLY SPIRIT. confused? kole ye e, its a misery dat is only revealed to those that are in the spirit. HE IS A GOD of TRINITY.

hahaha! I won't bother argueing with an ignorant person like you have you read in your bible that Jesus said "i myself can't do nothing of my own, can't God do anything he wills" can a god say that to God?? More and more in the bible Maybe you shud scroll on religion forum and read threads of Frosbel a christian brother going against the trinity i mean anti-trinitism. . .come back and tell me if he's wrong about Jesus and God or should i post you the links

kemoolala:


The bible we christians use as our watchword is written and endorsed by God the father,God the son and of the Holy spirit. There is no confussion in it whatsover, it is a book of life and is full of ....

Pls give ur evidence of endorcement from the bible itself. For confusion, which do I believe of pauls encounter with jesus of the 2 different narations coupled with the fact that he aught not to be trusted in the first place.

Kkemolala have not confused me 1 bit let alone convince. What I get from,her is that there is no reason behind belief...just holy spirit......smh

ghazzal:
Pls give ur evidence of endorcement from the bible itself. For confusion, which do I believe of pauls encounter with jesus of the 2 different narations coupled with the fact that he aught not to be trusted in the first place.

Kkemolala have not confused me 1 bit let alone convince. What I get from,her is that there is no reason behind belief...just holy spirit......smh

Have you done the bolded for me? I can count severally threads you've not done the bolded for me. We've never even agreed to disagree for once. Never got there

Paris-Love:

Have you done the bolded for me? I can count severally threads you've not done the bolded for me. We've never even agreed to disagree for once. Never got there

while kemolala only posts untrue story telling us "jesus is what he is not" - if holy spirit is the only one to guide me and neither you nor kemolala is the holy spirit why not quit blaspheming about islam/muslim thinking it will have some effect. why not WAIT FOR HOLY SPIRIT TO VISIT YOUR FRIENDS........isnt it contradictory that you pass a message that only the holy spirit is supposed to pass(make one understand)- it seems you want to usurp the position of the holy spirit too.....SMH
ISLAM tells you to reason that truth is clear from falsehood....... and not wait for holyspirit to help you understand a book!....."sigh"


if you read through all the threads you contributed too, it is sure that you will realise what the truth is. Some people know the truth but for some reasons hold-on to falsehood ignoring the fact that falsehood only leads to destruction. I do not have to convince you to make sure you get the message. it is up to you TO SAVE YOUR SOUL IF YOU WISH.
but know that: THIS LIFE IS ONLY FOR A WHILE AND THE HEREAFTER IS BETTER AND LASTING.......... DONT PLAY JOCKER WITH YOUR SOUL.......it aught to be a serious business to know the TRUTH and LIVE WITH IT!

Ghazzal,

There is no contradiction on Paul's narration of his encounter with Christ (I know you guys don't like him). If you know the exegesis of the Bible, you will know that, Luke wrote the book of Acts. Look at the narrations of Acts 9 as well as Acts 22 and Acts 26, you will see that the narration from chapter 9 is from Luke's account and narration from Chapter 22 and 26 are Paul's account. Notice that Chapter 22 and 26 are the same whilst chapter 9 differs somewhat with what the people who were with Paul heard.

There is no contradiction here.

If we are looking for contradictions, i'm sure we know the Quran is full of them..

proo212: Ghazzal,

There is no contradiction on Paul's narration of his encounter with Christ (I know you guys don't like him). If you know the exegesis of the Bible, you will know that, Luke wrote the book of Acts. Look at the narrations of Acts 9 as well as Acts 22 and Acts 26, you will see that the narration from chapter 9 is from Luke's account and narration from Chapter 22 and 26 are Paul's account. Notice that Chapter 22 and 26 are the same whilst chapter 9 differs somewhat with what the people who were with Paul heard.

There is no contradiction here.
If we are looking for contradictions, i'm sure we know the Quran is full of them..

So it was luke that contradicted paul in your book, may I ask whose account is false..as I can not comprehend God guiding 2 people with different information. I hope you understand my point

There is no contradiction here since you have decided not to address the fact that Apostle Paul when he recounted his encounter in Acts 22 and 26 stated the same things.

In contrast to your holy book that was directly revealed to Mohammed by Allah himself. If Allah cannot get the numbers of days that he supposedly created the earth right how am I supposed to believe him or the numerous contradictions/mistake that the supposedly all knowing Allah made.

Hmmmm

Even from Acts 9, 22 and 26, the message is clear, Saul was going to Damascus to persecute the followers of Christ and he had an encounter with Christ. There is no ambiguity about that.

ghazzal:

haa! kemoolala, this is obviously another lie, i wonder why you cant apply logic in this case.

first, do angels lie or why would yacub say he is going to kurdish to see Zana when they are together in the bus?

i really dont care about who ate the third sandwich but my concern is if it is a public bus as i thought it was initially, was Zana the only person in the inter-state destination bus since Mahabad is a city in Kurdistan (kurd must be a state). if the bus belongs to the security outfit, then where are the security personnels as we cant just have a "criminal" and the driver in such vehicle.

you make me laugh......, i think i should start a story of Christian revert into islam. and you will see the conviction in those where people revert not because they are molested (forced out of christianity) but out of personal conviction.

also, you did not say what the crime of other family members are, some were just killed while the offender (Zara) was set free?.......pls dont confuse us.

may God in his mercy guide us all to the right path.


i hope your story will be the first true story you will relate to us here...lol

@ ghazzal,long time! I hope u av heard of d testimony of a formal boko haram member, shuaib? Who was arrested by Holy spirit HIMSELF, If not u can google it! JESUS CHRIST is the son of God! Halleluyah!