The near death experience (NDE) refers to the range of activities experienced by people who have died, journeyed into the afterlife only to return back to earth. This phenomenon has been in existence since hundreds of years ago and became increasingly popular in the past 4 decades. Many of these experiences have occurred during death at hospitals. NDErs report 'being sent back' to their earthly bodies as they hadn't accomplished their missions on earth.
Typically, experiencers uniformly report:
1) to have left their bodies floating above 'it',
2) being at an elevated angle in the medical room and observing the people and activities around,
3) having an incredible sense of peace, noticing a bright intense white light afar at the end of a gray tunnel,
4) leaving the medical scene and floating through the tunnel (oftentimes with a spirit guide or angel),
5) bursting out into a very beautiful, melodic, majestic place, called heaven and feeling from the light the most UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and BLISS never experienced on earth. This LOVE they describe as being more than 100 times any ecstasy they experienced while on earth. Many said they realized that this was home. They were home.
6) seeing dead relatives and having a family reunion and joy. Some report seeing religious figures, esp Jesus Christ who welcome them.
7) undergoing a life review in which their whole life from birth to death played out on a screen. This is usually an emotionally-wrecking stage as every detail of their life is re-lived again. At this point they realize the main reason for man's existence on earth, which is to love and love. They watch their whole lives and see how their actions positively and negatively affected others. They felt the joy they caused others by their kind deeds and also felt the pain and anguish they caused those times they were mean and unkind. They discovered that it was the little but kind actions they performed that mattered after all and all earthly pursuits, fame, money, cars, achievement were all specks of dust lost in an ocean. They also realized that no one was judging them but themselves. It was the love we performed that mattered. It is a measure of our spiritual growth and evolution. Religion and creed are insignificant in the afterlife, much to their astonishment. They realized that one's spirituality was more important than religion. They also realized that God loves everybody equally and would never condemn any of his own.
8. being told they had to return to earth as their mission on earth isn't complete. This they reluctantly and defiantly want not to. However, they return to earth.
9) Waking up in the hospital bed, severally after being pronounced dead by the doctors for several minutes/hours, much to the astonishment of the medical practitioners. They usually felt angry for returning and wished they had never returned. At times, they wake up during resuscitation attempts by the doctors. Surely, life on earth is nothing compared to the afterlife.
10) They become more loving and kind on return. Hard-die materialists become easy-going kind people. They become more spiritual and less religious. They come back with a message and mission, that GOD IS REAL AND LOVE IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE. Earthly pursuits are only vanity.
The near-death experience is a forum in which spiritually-minded people who wish to find out more on man's purpose on earth and the afterlife discover the real truth, discard unnecessary bland beliefs and lead spiritually rewarding lives.

A comprehensive near death experience is wish to share:

David Oakford's near-death experience

In early summer of 1979, David Oakford was 20 years old and having problems dealing with his life situation. His childhood was not designed to enable him to properly deal with life in general. He had no self-esteem and everything he did to find peace within just did not work. He was pretty miserable then and felt lost and unloved. He turned to drugs and alcohol. He needed to find the peace within himself and he felt it calling him. It was at a party that David had an overdose of drugs and had a near-death experience. His near-death experience is one of the most profound you will ever read.
I laid down to use the stability of the Earth in an effort to maintain a hold on reality. I knew I had to do that in order to be able to come back down.

The next thing I knew I was riding in my friend's car. I thought we went up north, crossed the Mackinaw Bridge and came back again. We rode past my childhood home and I saw my parents sitting on the porch.

I felt drawn to the trees. I could see and feel their strength. I saw their roots going deep into the ground. I mean I actually saw the tree roots physically reaching below the ground. I told my friends about the car ride after the experience and they told me that the only place I went was to the chair they carried me to after I passed out on the porch.

I did wake up in the chair my friends say they put me in a bit later. When I woke up I could feel the organs in my body working, each one separately as well as all together. I could not see my friends anywhere. I could see in all the rooms of the house at the same time. The stereo was playing the Doors "Absolutely Live" album, except the volume was way too loud for me. Since I did not see any of my friends around I got up and tried to turn the music down, but could not. No matter what I did the music kept playing. I knew the stereo too. I had a real problem with the noise. It was tearing at me and I could not figure out why nor could I adjust the volume.

I called out to my friends and nobody came. I tried to unplug the stereo but that did not work either. Every time I tried to touch the cord to unplug it I could not grasp it. It just kept on playing "LA Woman" and the sound rattled my very being.

I ran all over the house calling for my friends, yelling repeatedly that the music was too loud but I was not heard. I pleaded for the music to be turned down. I tried to go outside but I could not feel the doorknob. I could see the daylight outside but could not go outside. I ended up hiding in the bathroom in an unsuccessful attempt to escape the noise. I looked in the mirror and could not see myself. That frightened me greatly.

I went back into the family room and saw my body sitting in the chair. It looked like I was sleeping. I wondered how I could be looking at myself. I got a bit scared then because I could see me from outside of me, from all different angles except from the inside angle I was used to seeing myself.

I was alone. I was confused and very scared. I tried to get back into my body but could not. I could not touch the ground either. I was floating. I rose up into a spot above my body and kind of just hung there. I could no longer move. I called out for help and nobody came. I tried to go out the door but like the stereo I could not touch the doorknob. I was scared and alone and did not know what to do. I did not understand what was happening to me.

I asked God to help me. I did believe in God then, but I was kind of angry at him because of the crappy life I was experiencing. I reasoned that if God were really the omnipotent and omniscient being I was taught he was he would not have let me experience the pain I had experienced throughout my life. I thought that if there was a time I needed God, it was now! I was not disappointed with the result of my plea for help.

I looked over by the door to the outside and saw a beautiful being standing there. His feet did not touch the floor. His feet just blended into thin air. He looked both female and male and was young. I could not tell his/her sex. His hair was curly and he was about my height. He had this glow about him too. The glow was green close to him, then blue, then pure white in the upper areas. He said "I am here to help you" but when he spoke his mouth did not move. I did not actually hear him speak with my ears. I felt what he was saying.

When I saw this being and he spoke to me, I was no longer afraid. I actually felt peace and comfort like I had never felt before. I felt the peace I was searching for throughout my entire life. The feeling was very familiar to me, like I had felt it before but not in this life.

This wonderful being called me by a name I do not remember. I told him he must have the wrong guy and that the name he used for me was not my name. He laughed and said that I was a great "master" and that I had just forgotten who I was. I did not believe him, because I did not really know for sure what a "master" was then and if I were this great master I would not have had all the problems I had. I felt that I was an evil being because that is what I was told in my life several times by many.

He told me his name, but I do not remember it. He told me that he had been with me always and told me that he knew that I had a very hard life and that he would help me understand why if I really wanted to. He told me that he would help me remember who I am. He said that he would understand if I did not believe him and offered to prove to me that he knew everything about me.

He told me things that I did when I as a child that proved to me that he was always with me. He told me about things I had only thought about. He told me that I could go anywhere I wanted to go and that he would show me how to do it if I wanted him to. He said that if I needed to come back and see my body I could. My body would be fine because I was still connected to it somehow.

When we spoke to each other we did so telepathically. The expression on his face was a happy one all the time.

I told him that I would like to see the pyramids in Egypt as well as the southwest United States. He told me that all I had to do was trust him, think about where I wanted to go, and we would go. I thought about the pyramids and we were there in an instant. I do not know why I chose the pyramids, the thought just popped into me so I went with that. While we were there he told me some things about the pyramids and Egypt that I do not remember now. I really wish I could remember what he explained while we were there because I do know it was highly significant and had to do with humanity's future.

When we finished in Egypt, we went to the southwest United States but flew there slowly so I could see sights along the way. I wanted to see this planet with the eyes I had then. I saw the countries of the Far East and the Pacific Ocean. Night was falling in the southwest US and I could see what the being told me was energy emanating from almost everything I could see, especially the plant and animal life. The energy was strongest in the areas of the land and sea that had the least amount of humans.

The energy was the lowest in areas where there were man-made structures, the cities of the world. The energy I saw came from the human beings that lived in the cities. It was explained to me that humans are the basic producers of energy in cities because of their relatively low vibration level the energy is lower in general. I could see the higher sources of energy in the cities though. I was shown people who had higher energy levels and some of them actually talked to the being I was with. I saw dark souls during the time the being and I spent on Gaia. The dark souls were earthbound spirits who refuse to go to the light. They prey on the energies of humans still in human form and try to use those souls to prevent the evolution of spirit. I was told I was protected from these dark ones as long as I chose to focus on the love in me. The dark ones did not even try to affect us, in fact they gave us nasty looks and went away. I was told I would know these dark ones when I see them and I was told to tell them to go to the light. The light is a porthole to the place all souls go if they choose.

I could see energy around the humans too, all different levels and colors. The being explained the human energy to me. He said that the energy coming from humans is what spirits use to evaluate the spiritual condition of particular humans. He said the lighter and more brilliant the color the more advanced the spirit is. He said that seeing the "aura" around a spirit is useful in determining how much a particular spirit needs to work on his development. He said the higher beings know where to go and what to do to help an earthbound soul so they may advance themselves if they so choose. He told me that all souls have this energy, this is why I could see it on every human I saw. He said that I was of the same energy type as he but my vibration is lower when I am in human form and that in time my energy would raise to match his intensity provided I chose to take the initiative to consciously evolve my soul.

He told me that there is much to this planet that spirits can see which humans do not see with their eyes because their vibrations are so low. He showed me life in the trees that I could see as a spirit but could not see in my human form.

He explained that beings of higher vibration do live on Earth but they are not human, they are part of Earth itself. He explained these beings were the caretakers of physical life on the planet. He said that these beings take care of what we call nature. There are beings that take care of the plant life, the mineral life and the waterborne life. These lower echelon beings work together to ensure that all aspects of nature is protected and remains healthy. When the planet was evolving, these ethereal beings were the ones that kept the balance of nature.

He explained to me that the planet that we call Earth really has a proper name. He told me the Earth is really called "Gaia." He said Gaia has its own energy and that Gaia is really a true living being. I asked if this energy could be seen and he said that we have to be away from Gaia to appreciate and see it. He said humans are the ones who can manipulate Gaia's energy through their choices. He said if humans choose to live in harmony with the energy on Gaia, it is good for Gaia. He said if humans abuse Gaia, they hurt Gaia by altering its energy structure. I was given an example of how humans have deforested the planet and reduced the energy available faster than it could be replenished. He said Gaia was very strong but has been weakened considerably since humans have chosen to use the resources in a manner inconsistent with the laws of the universe.

I asked him if we could go into space and see Gaia's energy and he said yes. He said there were no limits on where we could go. I concentrated my thought, trusted, and we then went into what is known as space.

Away from this planet I could see Gaia all at once. It was so beautiful. I could see the aura around Gaia. The aura affected me greatly. I felt a deep love for this beautiful place. I could hear Gaia move and was told the sound was the energy flowing in and out of Gaia. My special being told me that Gaia is the most unique planet because it is designed for humans to live on forever. It was created for a spirit to play, learn, and grow. He said the balance of nature on Gaia allows a spirit to be in human form when a spirit lives in harmony with nature.

Nature exists to compensate for the decreased vibration and was created for spirits to adapt enough to adjust and be in the physical human body while still having access to energy that will help them advance. He explained that humans were designed by God to live eternally on Gaia and are not supposed to "die." He said that "dying" is a human created Earth term that means little in the world of spirit. The reason that humans supposedly die is that they have fallen away from the balance of nature and allow themselves to be affected by what they create that violate the natural laws of the universe. He said that humans have fallen away from living in balance with nature. He said they must relearn about the harmonic balance if they want to survive as a race and live on Gaia forever. He said it was still possible for humans to learn about this harmony and that it is the next overall goal of humans on Gaia. I was told that humans would eventually realize they must restore the harmony but great damage will be inflicted before humans will fully realize what they have been doing to Gaia and work to reverse what they have done.

Traveling Through the Realms
We traveled past all of the planets in our solar system. Near each planet I could hear the energy just like on Gaia. I saw the auras around each one of them too. I saw spirits on all of them as well. My friend told me that all planets are places for spirits to live, learn and thus evolve. I saw great cities on each and every one of those planets. It was explained that other life in the universe is not readily seen because the beings were all of higher vibration and most spirits in human form have yet to attain the higher vibration required to see them.

The being told me that each planet has a theme for learning and that any of them can be chosen by a soul when we are between physical lives. He said we practice on the other planets to be ready to live on Gaia. He said Gaia is the ultimate experience for a soul. It is ultimate because our souls evolve faster here than anywhere else. It was said that the lessons we need to learn are difficult to learn without having a physical form.

He explained how we pick a physical life on Gaia. He explained to me that I picked the parents I was born to so that I could learn what I needed to learn to grow enough to come back and do spirit work on Gaia after I attain a certain level of growth. He said that I was being told all of these things so that I could help souls come together and return Gaia to harmony.

He explained some things to me about God that I do not remember. They had to do with the universe and the size and structure of it. I do remember he said that God is not to be seen for he is everywhere. He told me that God loves Gaia deeply, much as a man loves his wife.

He talked about Jesus too. He told me Jesus was a master God sent to Earth to teach humans how to act toward each other and find their way back to the path of harmony with each other as well as with Gaia.

I was told that Jesus is the being that is entrusted by God to ensure that souls evolve. He said that Jesus is of the highest in vibration than any other soul. He said that God holds Jesus in the highest of favor because he was the best example of what humans need to do. I then got to see Jesus. I saw his light. Jesus' light was the purest I have ever seen. There was no need for words. There were only love feelings that I cannot even begin to describe.

I was told that loving one another is what souls need to do in order for peace and harmony to be the standard on Gaia.

I was told that there is a hierarchy in the universe that is dedicated to preserving the harmony of the universe. I was told that humans are an integral part of this harmony and that the free will we have is a part of souls that allows humans to provide service to the universe.

After he explained those things to me I was able to see our whole solar system all at once in full color. The planets were all in a line and I could see all of them from Pluto to the sun. I felt very blessed and very important. I was given this great gift and I did not really understand why. There I floated, a being that went out his way to inflict pain on other souls, yet I was never asked about what I had done. In fact I was given the honor of being given answers to questions most people wonder about all of their lives.

I thanked this loving being for explaining and showing me what he did. He told me that there was more for him to show me if I was ready to experience it. I told him I was ready. I did not know why I was chosen but I was not about to question why. It just seemed small to me then.

We started to head back toward Gaia. We went to a place in the shadow of Gaia. It was a great city in the clouds. The city had these beautiful white buildings as far as I could see. I saw spirits living there all of which had vibration but no real physical body. These inhabitants went to and from the buildings - going to work and play too. I saw a place where spirits went to get what I thought was water. There were no vehicles there. Spirits seemed to get around the same way my being and I got around, by flying.

The city had no boundaries that I could see. This was a place full of life of all kinds. There was nature there, many pure plants, trees, and water just like on Gaia but more pure. Nature there was absolutely perfect. It was untainted by human manipulation. This place was just like Gaia only without the problems and negativity. I felt that this was what is called heaven in Earth terms.

I saw spirits going to and from the Gaia and the city. I could tell the development of the spirits going to and from by the energy they emanated. I could see that animals came to and from Earth just like humans do. I could see many spirits leave Gaia with guides and could see spirits returning to Gaia without guides. The being told me that some of the spirits passing were the ones that were doing the work with humans on Gaia. I could make out the type of spirits that were doing the work and the spirits that were coming to the great city to become replenished to eventually go back to Gaia to experience and further evolve. I could feel the emotions of the ones coming back for replenishment. I could feel that some of them were sad, beaten and scared, much like I felt before my being came to me.

My being took me into one of the larger buildings. Inside I saw many spirits working. They were doing things similar to jobs on Earth. When we walked by the spirits, they looked at me. I think they were checking me out because of the being I was with.

We went upstairs and I saw spirits that knew me. They greeted me and asked me how I was doing. They gave me advice of which I do not remember. I thought I was going to be given a job there, but the being knew I thought that and told me that there was something I needed to do first.

I was ecstatic. I was in heaven despite everything I had done during my life on Gaia. I was experiencing what most people only dream about. The love I felt there was the same love I felt when I saw Jesus. I had been searching on Gaia for what was really the same place I was in then. I was searching on Gaia for the feeling I was feeling that very moment. I had found what I spent my whole life searching for. I was truly happy. I was home and I knew it. I was ready to stay and do whatever work I was given to do.

My being took me to another building that was special. It was bigger than the rest and had the greenest foliage I had ever seen growing on it, decorating it like a shrine. We went inside a set of double doors that glowed with life. The inside was decorated with a wood paneling that the being told me was "living" wood from the trees that grew at this wonderful place. He led me to some big double doors and told me to wait on this bench while he went inside.

A bit later he came out of the room. He told me to go into the room and said he would wait for me and to not worry. He cautioned me to ensure that I was truthful with the beings in the room. He said they were not judges, rather they were the ones who evaluated a soul's development based on a soul's history. He told me to remember who I was and to refrain from fear. I knew I had to leave this being sooner or later but I was glad that he would wait for me. I was a little scared to leave him, but I felt that I was protected and knew that I would be protected here.

His Life Review
I went in and saw a group of several spirits seated at a table. The table was made of the glowing wood and was perfect in every way. The spirits around this table had the highest vibration I had seen so far with the exception of Jesus.

I looked at these beings and recognized them. I do not know where I recognized them from, but they all had a familiarity about them. They just looked at me.

All of a sudden, I saw my parents on Earth before I was born. I saw how they came to be together and watched them have my brother and sister before me. I saw their positive and negative sides and evaluated them according to what I knew I needed to do on Gaia. The beings asked me how and why I picked these particular parents and asked me to tell them. They said I knew how and why I picked them and asked me to tell them why. I do not know where it came from but I did tell them how and why and they agreed with me. I picked them to help them on their path as well as to achieve my learning.

I saw my soul go to my mother and go inside of her. I saw myself being born from an observer standpoint as well as having the actual experience. I proceeded to see my entire life from the observer point of view and from the points of view of those my actions affected. I felt the feelings they felt that directly resulted from things I had done to them. I saw both the positive and the negative things I had done as they had truly happened, nothing was left out or presented inaccurately.

I experienced the harshness of being born again. I experienced leaving heaven and the transit to Gaia. I saw myself as a helpless infant who needed his mother for everything. I experienced my father's love as well as his anger. I experienced my mothers love, her fear and her anger as well. I saw all of the good and bad from my childhood years and re-experienced what I had done then. I felt all of my emotions and the emotions of the souls I had hurt as well as loved. From all of this I learned that it matters deeply what choices I make on Gaia.

I learned just how powerful we humans are and how we can affect each other in positive and negative ways. It was amazing to see how my innocent actions had such a powerful effect on souls that I had no idea I was affecting. The experience was one that I will never forget. I experienced the whole spectrum of feelings of my life in a relatively short period of time as we humans see it. Where I was, time did not really exist.

I could see how I became what I had become on Gaia and why I became that way. Everything I did in my life affected the evolution of the souls around me. I saw the reasons for all of my actions and understood why I did what I had done. There was a place for all of my positive and negative actions. There was no action that was necessarily wrong, but there were actions I took that did not enhance positive growth. I was both a victim and a beneficiary of my actions. This was not a fun experience to go through. I could see how wonderful it could be if one chose to act to affect other souls positively most of the time.

Afterward, the beings in the room asked me questions about what I saw and how I felt about my life up to then. I knew that I had to provide an honest assessment - I could not lie. I hesitated when they asked me whether I affected others more positively than negatively. I thought about lying.

These beings knew what I was thinking and I had to tell them that I felt that I could have done a better job on Gaia. I knew what I had come to Gaia to accomplish and was well on my way to doing that but I knew I was not finished yet. They agreed and told me that I still had many things to do and that I may want to go back and do them. I was told it was understood how difficult it would be for me but it was necessary for the universe for me to finish.

They said that it may be wise to go back and live my life how I had originally planned it.

They said I had set lofty goals for my life on Gaia and the events in my life were achieving the goals I had set.

They said that I originally came to Gaia to learn and share with others using the gifts that I have accumulated over several lifetimes.

They said that I am needed on Gaia to help souls bring themselves and Gaia back to harmony.

They said that I have great potential to affect other souls, to help them grow and that Gaia is the best place to do that. I was told that the events I had experienced thus far were preparing me to make a large contribution to the universe and that my experiences were not to be considered personal attacks in any way. I did not want to accept that, I wanted to stay, I told them that.

I told them I was tired and wanted to stay because life on Gaia is hard and unforgiving. I felt that going back would be dangerous for the universe because I was not advanced enough in my spiritual evolution. They said that was precisely why it would be in my best interest to go back to Gaia.

They said I was more advanced than I give myself credit for.

They said that it was possible for me to stay but I would need to finish my work on Gaia sooner or later. The type of work I was destined for can only be done on Gaia. I could stay if chose to but I would only be prolonging the completion of what I needed to do for this universe.

They explained the fastest way to finish my work would be to go back to Gaia as soon as possible.

I was stunned to say the least. I resorted to bargaining but it was no use. I still did not like living on Gaia and did not really want to go back. These beings understood me but remained firm. I had a decision to make that was really the hardest decision I would ever make.

I did come back to Gaia and am now living the life that I was (later in the experience) told I would live. Believe it or not, I ended up shelving this experience away, classifying it as a really vivid "trip." It was not until I evolved more that I realized the gift I was given.

I share this experience now because I feel it can, if so chosen, spur thought and foster choices that affect the planet in a positive way.

If I learned anything from this experience it was that every choice I make is duly recorded, noted and will return later, when I leave here again.

My goal is to save people the pain that I felt in my review and hasten the evolution of humans on Gaia, helping Gaia as well as the universe.

Again, I wish you all of the love I feel in my heart and I give this love to you.

(David Oakford now talks of his return to Earth)

I am one who had a near-death experience and was given a choice to return to this planet in a physical sense again. I chose to return out of love for this planet, a love so great that I would give up the slot I have "back home." I did this also in order to help to heal the place through the sharing of what I was shown of the in-between and through the choices I make, (hopefully loving and kind ones).

Without the free will to return I would not be here in the physical doing what I am doing. The physical pain, war, poverty, pestilence, horror, rape, murder, abandonment etc, etc, etc. that is here on this planet is the result of humans coming here and making their free choices in order to learn and evolve. Unfortunately learning does tend to create a mess at times and the physical pain etc. ect. is a part of that mess. It makes sense to me that the same free choice concept is instrumental in cleaning up the mess.

I liken it to camping and choosing to clean up or not clean up the mess one makes. If you choose to clean up your mess, this helps the planet to stay as is because one does not contribute to the mess. If one does not clean up it adds to the mess. If one cleans up their own mess and then some it contributes to healing the planet.

In my near-death experience I was also shown that there are many souls in "heaven" who are more than willing to come to this place regardless of the state it is in. I was shown that if I did not choose to return I would be in the schools that exist in heaven, working toward the growth I need to accomplish regardless of the form I am in. That was an attractive choice to be sure except that I had a problem with how long it would take me to grow enough to do what my soul wishes to do. (I have a burning desire to experience other places in other universes and to do that I need to grow more.) The prerequisite for that is ensuring that my soul has the IQ for it.

It is my understanding that a soul can choose to remain in heaven and operate on the level he/she (whatever) is on to infinity, but I seek more because I know without doubt that there is more.

At any rate, the idea remains that for this place to start feeling and looking like heaven is to create the love felt there here. I would like to see that on this planet and I know it can be done. If I need to, I will come back here all over again to make it happen.
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These are risky stuffs. Threading on dangerous waters.

Hmmmmmmm.may God help us!

This same technique is used by aluminiti during recruitment.

why is everyone seeing the same script? satan has made it so that they must see "the light at the end of the tunnel".

in reality, true death is certain, fainting is not near death and it is only illusion which is the handwork of satan that folks see as their near death. i dare say the Mercy of God is upon the person who God has allowed to not end up with satan by this phenomenon.

people should seek God in His Path for man after it.

have you found a muslim hallucinating with such nonsense? Allah has protected the true worshipers among mankind not to be a prey to that type of trick. it is similar trick that satan uses on muslim who are truly not believing when he comes in to them in dreams saying he is Jesus. the point is no one can see the true picture of Jesus because he was long gone before the first photographic equipment was developed.

how can a raggedy nordic pass for the master, Jesus [as] is unbelievable.

^^^Interesting. It is an art of playing tricks on the mind by satan and his croonies. And in that state, a person is very vulnerable to demonic influences - due to the simple psychology of "mortal fear" of death.

What them dey see as the NDE na satan/ETs/aluminati people dey behind am. See the nonsense thing - you died, reached heaven and was sent back. Rubbish!

It makes no sense at all. I have read many accounts of these things, but i will say i strongly suspect demonic forces at work. I have heard accounts of those that say they floated to the ceiling and were watching doctors battling for their lives - and then, they float back into their bodies

I am not doubting what they see mind you, but the logic behind it? I believe it is a way for satan to shake your belief in God out of you.

seunmustwac: ^^^Interesting. It is an art of playing tricks on the mind by satan and his croonies. And in that state, a person is very vulnerable to demonic influences - due to the simple psychology of "mortal fear" of death.

What them dey see as the NDE na satan/ETs/aluminati people dey behind am. See the nonsense thing - you died, reached heaven and was sent back. Rubbish!

It makes no sense at all. I have read many accounts of these things, but i will say i strongly suspect demonic forces at work. I have heard accounts of those that say they floated to the ceiling and were watching doctors battling for their lives - and then, they float back into their bodies

I am not doubting what they see mind you, but the logic behind it? I believe it is a way for satan to shake your belief in God out of you.

What if EVERYTHING YOU BELEIVED was wrong? What if all our religions have been distorted, with the main message;LOVE, lost due to human greed for power and possessions. What if there's no heaven or hell? What if?

I do not have all the answers. But i can only speak for myself. I chose to follow Jesus of my own freewill. And i do know for a fact that i am not going to hell.

The word of God is backed up with a lot of power for its authenticity. However, due to a lot of greed in the church for possesions and mankind in general,
a lot of fake people jumping all over the place. It looks as if the power is gone, but it is not. The church has been infiltrated by aluminati and fake ole preachers, but still, there are christians that are doing the good battle and God is on our side, and the gates of hell shall not prevail still.

The holy spirit is still present, and the grace of God is still available, so salvation is still very relevant. The book of revelations tells us that: they defeated the devil by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

@caye, i cannot force you to chose christianity - it is for you to decide - as long as you are alive, there is yet hope for you - never ever forget that.

Inasmuch as there seems to be some elements of truth in those write up, but some other theory and idealogies in the write up is questionable, cos it has no biblical backing, so i chose to discard it and only cling to the word of God (Bible)

Sweetnecta: why is everyone seeing the same script? satan has made it so that they must see "the light at the end of the tunnel".

in reality, true death is certain, fainting is not near death and it is only illusion which is the handwork of satan that folks see as their near death. i dare say the Mercy of God is upon the person who God has allowed to not end up with satan by this phenomenon.

people should seek God in His Path for man after it.

have you found a muslim hallucinating with such nonsense? Allah has protected the true worshipers among mankind not to be a prey to that type of trick. it is similar trick that satan uses on muslim who are truly not believing when he comes in to them in dreams saying he is Jesus. the point is no one can see the true picture of Jesus because he was long gone before the first photographic equipment was developed.

how can a raggedy nordic pass for the master, Jesus [as] is unbelievable.

You're actually the one under deception bro, i dont expect u to beleive me cos spiritually u've been blinded by the tricks of satan, in verge of finding God u fell into satans trap of deception which is the highest spiritual weapon for caging a soul unto destruction.
Allah as u call him is a demon, a servant of satan, mohammed your prophet was deceived by lucifer (satan) when he appeared to him as an angel of light (Angel of God) but actually was satan in disguise and handed unto your prophet written note of doctrines in written counterfeiting what God did in the days of moses when he appeard to Moses in form of a burning bush and gave him his laws, so satan also used similar medium to deceive mohammed and that was how islam was formed, i am not judging any religion here, but i would be doing u greater harm if i know the truth of the mysteries of your religion, knowing it's destroying the souls of all that cling to it and keep quiet about it.
But Jesus is real, he is the only one who can truly save your soul, u say might not take heed to my warning cos you're actually ignorant on what you've gotten yourself into. Only Jesus can save you, mohammed cannot, he himself is'nt sure of his eternal destination even while he was alive, Jesus was calling on him to repent but he chosed his ppath and died without the author of life (Jesus christ) in his life, he was actually lost, lost forever, dont make thesame mistake he made less u suffer thesame fate. Jesus is the only one that truly loves you despite your sins, and he is willing to wash away your sins and remember them no more and give u peace you've never felt before, i aint just speaking to him alone but to you, yes you also reading this, your time to make your eternal choice that would affect your eternal destiny is now cos the next minute might be too late.
Come to Jesus and he will give you life!!!

Joe4christ!:
Inasmuch as there seems to be some elements of truth in those write up, but some other theory and idealogies in the write up is questionable, cos it has no biblical backing, so i chose to discard it and only cling to the word of God (Bible)

Because you're conditioned. And please do not blaspheme by claiming that book full of bloodshed, slavery and ra.pe to be the ''word of God''.

Joe4christ!:


You're actually the one under deception bro, i dont expect u to beleive me cos spiritually u've been blinded by the tricks of satan, in verge of finding God u fell into satans trap of deception which is the highest spiritual weapon for caging a soul unto destruction.
Allah as u call him is a demon, a servant of satan, mohammed your prophet was deceived by lucifer (satan) when he appeared to him as an angel of light (Angel of God) but actually was satan in disguise and handed unto your prophet written note of doctrines in written counterfeiting what God did in the days of moses when he appeard to Moses in form of a burning bush and gave him his laws, so satan also used similar medium to deceive mohammed and that was how islam was formed, i am not judging any religion here, but i would be doing u greater harm if i know the truth of the mysteries of your religion, knowing it's destroying the souls of all that cling to it and keep quiet about it.
But Jesus is real, he is the only one who can truly save your soul, u say might not take heed to my warning cos you're actually ignorant on what you've gotten yourself into. Only Jesus can save you, mohammed cannot, he himself is'nt sure of his eternal destination even while he was alive, Jesus was calling on him to repent but he chosed his ppath and died without the author of life (Jesus christ) in his life, he was actually lost, lost forever, dont make thesame mistake he made less u suffer thesame fate. Jesus is the only one that truly loves you despite your sins, and he is willing to wash away your sins and remember them no more and give u peace you've never felt before, i aint just speaking to him alone but to you, yes you also reading this, your time to make your eternal choice that would affect your eternal destiny is now cos the next minute might be too late.
Come to Jesus and he will give you life!!!

You're a nutcase. That you carry around this crap in your head is testament to the exploits of the British in their colonial conquests, turning a once proud race of people into walking dullards.

bigfrancis21: The near death experience (NDE) refers to the range of activities experienced by people who have died, journeyed into the afterlife only to return back to earth. This phenomenon has been in existence since hundreds of years ago and became increasingly popular in the past 4 decades. Many of these experiences have occurred during death at hospitals. NDErs report 'being sent back' to their earthly bodies as they hadn't accomplished their missions on earth.
Typically, experiencers uniformly report:
1) to have left their bodies floating above 'it',
2) being at an elevated angle in the medical room and observing the people and activities around,
3) having an incredible sense of peace, noticing a bright intense white light afar at the end of a gray tunnel,
4) leaving the medical scene and floating through the tunnel (oftentimes with a spirit guide or angel),
5) bursting out into a very beautiful, melodic, majestic place, called heaven and feeling from the light the most UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and BLISS never experienced on earth. This LOVE they describe as being more than 100 times any ecstasy they experienced while on earth. Many said they realized that this was home. They were home.
6) seeing dead relatives and having a family reunion and joy. Some report seeing religious figures, esp Jesus Christ who welcome them.
7) undergoing a life review in which their whole life from birth to death played out on a screen. This is usually an emotionally-wrecking stage as every detail of their life is re-lived again. At this point they realize the main reason for man's existence on earth, which is to love and love. They watch their whole lives and see how their actions positively and negatively affected others. They felt the joy they caused others by their kind deeds and also felt the pain and anguish they caused those times they were mean and unkind. They discovered that it was the little but kind actions they performed that mattered after all and all earthly pursuits, fame, money, cars, achievement were all specks of dust lost in an ocean. They also realized that no one was judging them but themselves. It was the love we performed that mattered. It is a measure of our spiritual growth and evolution. Religion and creed are insignificant in the afterlife, much to their astonishment. They realized that one's spirituality was more important than religion. They also realized that God loves everybody equally and would never condemn any of his own.
8. being told they had to return to earth as their mission on earth isn't complete. This they reluctantly and defiantly want not to. However, they return to earth.
9) Waking up in the hospital bed, severally after being pronounced dead by the doctors for several minutes/hours, much to the astonishment of the medical practitioners. They usually felt angry for returning and wished they had never returned. At times, they wake up during resuscitation attempts by the doctors. Surely, life on earth is nothing compared to the afterlife.
10) They become more loving and kind on return. Hard-die materialists become easy-going kind people. They become more spiritual and less religious. They come back with a message and mission, that GOD IS REAL AND LOVE IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE. Earthly pursuits are only vanity.
The near-death experience is a forum in which spiritually-minded people who wish to find out more on man's purpose on earth and the afterlife discover the real truth, discard unnecessary bland beliefs and lead spiritually rewarding lives.

Thanks for educating these folks on what's going on. Of course they will reject the clear evidence of universal salvation here enunciated and attested to by thousands of people today, to hold on to their silly myths and fables told by illiterate cattle rearers in the middle east 3000 years ago.

Please keep on coming with the research. I have repeatedly said that humans are powerful immortal spirits temporarily living a 'life' as humans, and when they 'die' are merely returning to the spirit world where we all came from.

In fact even animals survive 'death' and transit to their spirit world. It is in fact a NATURAL PROCESS that is INDEPENDENT of personal belief or religion. Consciousness is energy. Energy cannot be destroyed. It can only be transformed into another state. WE ALL SURVIVE DEATH AS A MATTER OF COURSE.

Again, thanks to the poster for this.

pastormustwak: These are risky stuffs. Threading on dangerous waters.

Mr Pastor, How will it not be ''dangerous'' for you and your ilk? Afterall if everybody came to realise that WE ALL SURVIVE DEATH IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION, that ends your pay day doesn't it? THIEF AND SON OF THIEVES.

You know the intriguing thing? African religion, the world's oldest faith system, 100% recognises the fact of universal salvation - that we ALL survive death and re-enter the spirit world upon passing, complete with our consciousness and memories intact, irrespective of what we believe or don't believe. So the Near Death Experience directly confirms what every African religion has stated since time immemorial - that we ALL transit to the spirit world upon 'death', and that we are FAR MORE than our fleshly bodies. That we are IMMORTAL SPIRITS.

i did not need a near death experience to see most of those things described by the man who had a near death experience. soul travel as thought in Eckankar does that for you.
you travel to these heavens and see things for yourself. while those who rely only on books keeps on arguing and debating over what is truth and what is not. the unfortunate thing is that you can not go to a place when you do not even know how to get there in the first place.

that is why a lot of people on earth when they die become lost and earth bound, roaming round the earth as a formless spirit shouting for help and some preying on their fellow souls. of course the choice will always remain yours. but those who knows know through their hard earned experience which becomes their authority.

ROSSIKE:
Mr Pastor, How will it not be ''dangerous'' for you and your ilk? Afterall if everybody came to realise that WE ALL SURVIVE DEATH IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION, that ends your pay day doesn't it? THIEF AND SON OF THIEVES.

You are wrong in your assumptions of myself. If you really understand NDEs well, the spiritual aspect that is - then you will know what danger i talk about (your typical everyday christians will not understand what i meant). I dont need to be eckankar to understand about earth-bound spirits or soul travel at all.

Anyway, i am not trying to prove a point, so i will let it pass. The truth is open for those who seek it. My words does not change the existence of anything.

benodic:
i did not need a near death experience to see most of those things described by the man who had a near death experience. soul travel as thought in Eckankar does that for you.
you travel to these heavens and see things for yourself. while those who rely only on books keeps on arguing and debating over what is truth and what is not. the unfortunate thing is that you can not go to a place when you do not even know how to get there in the first place.

that is why a lot of people on earth when they die become lost and earth bound, roaming round the earth as a formless spirit shouting for help and some preying on their fellow souls. of course the choice will always remain yours. but those who knows know through their hard earned experience which becomes their authority.

My brother thank you for your post and valuable knowledge/experience. This is what I call Truth. Truth based on empirical knowledge. On actual verifiable, modern experience, not these dubious stories of 'virgin mothers', 'angels', 'saviours', and 'prophets'.

ANYBODY who wants to learn the TRUTH about existence need look no further than traditional African, Mexican, Indian, and Chinese elders and literati, Eckankar survivalists, Near-Death Experience accounts from all over the world, and the testimony of psychics. Which is unanimously that we all survive death, we are all parts of the Whole (ie God)- droplets from one river - and that the vast majority move up into a 'better life' on the Other Side.

That's the truth, and the Christian Crusades (+colonialism) and Muslim Jihads were all about annihilating the people who propagated this truth, in order to replace prevailing beliefs with their unique and unfounded idea that you needed to subscribe to THEIR 'religion' in order to enjoy the most natural gift in the world to all consciousness - as natural and free as breathing - which is everlasting life.

Near-Death Experiences give us a glimpse into that truth in a way that makes christians and muslims very uncomfortable.

It directly flies in the face of their claim that one needs to be a christian or a muslim in order to survive human death. Not just survive but actually enjoy oneself in that realm.

We have to pity them.

ROSSIKE:

My brother thank you for your post and valuable knowledge/experience. This is what I call Truth. Truth based on actual verifiable, modern experience, not these dubious stories of 'virgin mothers', 'angels', 'saviours', and 'prophets'.

ANYBODY who wants to learn the TRUTH about existence need look no further than traditional African elders, traditional Mexican, Indian, and Chinese elders and literati, the Eckankar intelligentsia, Near-Death Experience accounts from all over the world, and the testimony of psychics. Which is unanimously that we all survive death, we are all parts of the Whole (ie God)- droplets from one river - and that the vast majority move up into a 'better life' on the Other Side.

That's the truth, and the Christian Crusades (+colonialism) and Muslim Jihads were all about annihilating the people who propagated this truth, in order to replace prevailing beliefs with their unique and unfounded idea that you needed to subscribe to THEIR 'religion' in order to enjoy the most natural thing in the world - everlasting life.

Near-Death Experiences give us a glimpse into that truth in a way that makes christians and muslims very uncomfortable.

It directly flies in the face of their claim that one needs to be a christian or muslim in order to survive human death. Not just survive but actually enjoy oneself in that realm.

We have to pity them.

We are in agreement with the NDEs, earth-bound spirits, soul travel, astral projections and all that. Based on my experiences, i have different beliefs from many christians.

I am a psychic (in my own rights), but i have not encountered NDEs, and do not doubt the testimonies of those that had it. But i have heard of some changes to certain people as a result of NDEs such as total loss of faith in God.

That was why i said: These are risky stuffs. Threading on dangerous waters.

Before ROSSIKE jumped on me, and attempted to rip me into many pieces.

ROSSIKE:
ANYBODY who wants to learn the TRUTH about existence need look no further than traditional African, Mexican, Indian, and Chinese elders and literati, Eckankar survivalists, Near-Death Experience accounts from all over the world, and the testimony of psychics. Which is unanimously that we all survive death, we are all parts of the Whole (ie God)- droplets from one river - and that the vast majority move up into a 'better life' on the Other Side.

The church want power to control the minds of people. So they wont really admit to the truth.

ROSSIKE:
Near-Death Experiences give us a glimpse into that truth in a way that makes christians and muslims very uncomfortable.

It directly flies in the face of their claim that one needs to be a christian or a muslim in order to survive human death. Not just survive but actually enjoy oneself in that realm.

We have to pity them.

It is a very sharp contrast, and those that wish to control mankind know this. And what better way to manipulate large groups of humans than religion?

This is the reason why many of our religions dont talk about THESE TRUTHS and yet they are aware.

It was all these that was on my mind when i said:

pastormustwak: These are risky stuffs. Threading on dangerous waters.

Which ROSSIKE automatically assumes to mean i was discrediting the thread.

pastormustwacc:
We are in agreement with the NDEs, earth-bound spirits, soul travel, astral projections and all that. Based on my experiences, i have different beliefs from many christians.

I am a psychic (in my own rights), but i have not encountered NDEs, and do not doubt the testimonies of those that had it. But i have heard of some changes to certain people as a result of NDEs such as total loss of faith in God.

I think you meant 'loss of faith in religion'. Who can blame them? When you've witnessed the truth LIVE, religions come across as decidedly tacky. Like a lovely dress full of holes and patches.

Many NDE'rs claim to have experienced a Divine Presence during their experience. A Being of Light. This presence is described as emanating the most unconditional love and affection. ATHEISTS have reported encountering this Being in their NDEs. Christian NDErs tend to identify the being as 'Jesus'. Muslims with the Mahdi prophet, Buddhists with Buddha etc. An Igbo traditionalist would immediately identify the being as Amadioha. A Yoruba elder may call him Obatala. The interesting thing is the Being accepts ALL denotations. He doesn't say ''no I'm not Jesus, I'm Muhammed''. Or ''no I'm not Krishna, I'm Amadioha''. He accepts all names and titles.

See, at the core of the idea that we are all ONE is that our appearance to be 'separate beings' is actually a grand Illusion. The Being is outside of the Illusion, so individuality doesn't exist. He is all Things. All names are Him.

ROSSIKE:

I think you meant 'loss of faith in religion'. Many NDE'rs claim to have experienced a Divine Presence during their experience. This presence is described as emanating the most unconditional love and affection. ATHEISTS have reported encountering this Being, usually called the Being of Light. Christian NDErs tend to identify the being as 'Jesus'. Muslims with the Mahdi prophet, Buddhists with Buddha etc. An Igbo traditionalist would likely identify the being as Amadioha. A Yoruba elder may call him Obatala. The interesting thing is the Being accepts ALL denotations. He doesn't say 'no I'm not Jesus, I'm Muhammed. Or no I'm not Krishna, I'm Amadioha.

See, at the core of the idea that we are all ONE is that our appearance to be 'separate beings' is actually a grand Illusion. The being is not part of the Illusion, so individuality doesn't exist. He is all Things. All names are Him.

You are so correct.

Thanks. One more thing. NDErs are known much more commonly for their change of personality after the experience. They become not more religious, but more spiritual. They shun materialism. Money and wealth means a lot less to them than before their experience. Some have been known to give away most of their wealth to the poor and needy after their NDE. Many have left high-flying careers for community service careers. Others devote themselves to science and research.

They've SEEN that this world is just a little game. In the real world of spirits - our true home - wealth is something you think of and it appears. If you want to live in twenty houses, you imagine it and they appear instantly. So what are we killing ourselves here for? Over what? Best to spend one's time helping the less fortunate. That's how they reason.

[size=13pt]And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light [/size]- 2 Corinthians 11:14

An NDE has been proven to be caused by a number of factors. Therefore an NDE cannot be used to describe what happens at death.

Only ONE who has died in his/her totality , buried and comes back to life can give us a true account.

Yet we see Lazarus who died for 4 days not once mention a place where we exist outside our body. He was as dead as a dodo, that's why.

All those with second-sight (even if it was for a minute by an NDE) will see the RELIGION as overrated and completely unnecessary. In fact, i see religion as a bondage and mind-control tool by men and dark-forces to keep us under their control.

Emperor constantine comes to mind again:

When Christians were on the verge of growing, Satan’s forces started to move. Persecutions, under Satan’s command, hit the early believers in Christ. But instead of destroying them, they grew in numbers. The Force was ruling over Rome, using the Pagan Roman Caesars to slaughter the followers of Christ. The time was getting close for Satan then to give the world his own version of the “Christian” church. And paganism was about to get a new face. When the Emperor of Rome died, two men claimed the throne: Constantine, and the other Roman General named Maxentius.

In 312 AD, Constantine’s army faced his enemy, Maxentius, who stood between him and the Roman Empire. It was during this battle when he “apparently” saw a sign of the cross in the heavens saying, “In this sign Conquer.” Having backed up by “The Force,” he won the battle…and owned Rome. A few years after, he “Christianized” Rome. As a result of this battle, Constantine claimed that his conversion to Christianity had taken place. He publicly issued his edict of toleration in 313 AD, and supposedly stopped the persecutions against the Christians and brought peace. His job, under the direction of Satan, was to merge paganism in the perverted form of Christianity, which he did, and turned it into ROMAN CATHOLICISM.

Testified records from the underground vaults of the inner Vatican tell the truth about Constantine and his family. Constantinus Maximus was NOT really “Christianized” for he still worshipped the sun god “Sol” (Roman name for Nimrod) even until his death in 337 AD. He also had been ordering the killing of the true believers who were hiding in the mountains to survive, and to protect the Word of God. And as a claim aside from the apostle Peter, Constantine was the FIRST pope. Yet the seducing spirits, just like every pope that followed him, controlled him. In short, he was the second coming of NIMROD.

Even after his “Conversion,” facts testifying that he wasn’t really saved were his devious family affairs from his brother-in-law, to his wives and to his sons which most, resulted in murders. Some of the political and personal reasons. F.Y.I. Another point of “Christianized” contribution was Constantine's mother Helena, who claims to have found the real cross where Christ was crucified!!! A Pope's Title: Sumo Maximus Pontifix -- after his retirement as the “first Pope,” he gave the bishop of Rome his title and moved to Byzantium, Turkey in 330 AD. Then, he gave it a face lift and renamed the place “Constantinople.” Amidst the retirement, he remained loyal to the Catholic Church, fulfilling the prophecy of Revelation 17:9.

Source: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/ConstantinePaganChristian.htm

pastormustwacc: All those with second-sight (even if it was for a minute by an NDE) will see the RELIGION as overrated and completely unnecessary. In fact, i see religion as a bondage and mind-control tool by men and dark-forces to keep us under their control.

Emperor constantine comes to mind again:



Source: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/ConstantinePaganChristian.htm

You miss the point , Jesus never started a religion, he simply came to show us the way to GOD and the path of SALVATION which is ONLY through HIM !

frosbel: [size=13pt]And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light [/size]- 2 Corinthians 11:14

Sure...while your ''loving bible God'' is busy torturing billions of people in his hellfire.

An NDE has been proven to be caused by a number of factors.

This is the second time you've made this claim in the last week without providing any of that 'proof'.

Therefore an NDE cannot be used to describe what happens at death.

Near Death Experiences occur when a person is in a state of Clinical death.

Do you realise that there is no physiological difference at all between clinical death and actual death? In both instances all bodily functions have ceased completely. No blood flows to the brain. The heart has stopped beating. Complete inertia of the body. Actual death is only declared after revival attempts have failed following clinical death. Prior to the mid twentieth century, before modern advances in medical health came into being, people whose bodily functions had ceased were simply classified as dead, and buried. Today there has been discovered a time window in which patients can still be revived following clinical death, using advanced medical procedures. It is during clinical death that we have NDE's. AS OF TODAY, NO SCIENTIST, NO DOCTOR, AND NO RESEARCHER has been able to show HOW the consciousness can produce such vivid experiences as NDEs when a brain and body are completely comatose. NEITHER CAN YOU. What NDE's DO PROVE CONCLUSIVELY is that CONSCIOUSNESS can and DOES exist OUTSIDE of bodily functions, and therefore OUTSIDE the physical body.

frosbel:

You miss the point , Jesus never started a religion, he simply came to show us the way to GOD and the path of SALVATION which is ONLY through HIM !

Not possible. Read my post well, and several other posts that i write - i do not support religion in any way.

In fact, i mentioned earlier on this thread that i am a psychic (so i have second sight) - or supposedly - whatever

And i quote myself again: All those with second-sight (even if it was for a minute by an NDE) will see the RELIGION as overrated and completely unnecessary.

In that statement, i said two things:
1. If you have second-sight/psychic: you can tell that religion is not-it at all.
2. I said that NDE seem to give people second-sight.

All in all, i criticized religion. Church and fellowships are 2 different things entirely. I just intentionally did not mention christianity as a religion - to avoid offending some people.

ROSSIKE:

Because you're dumb, stup.id and brainwashed. And please do not blaspheme by claiming that hideous book full of bloodshed, slavery and ra.pe to be the ''word of God''.

I just pity your pathetic ignoramus life, atleast i do beleive in something cos of my spiritual exploits and experience which would rightly be tagged as 'research' but what have u got, what do u rather beleive in? No, you would rather beleive in some random scientists who come up with some theories that dont have a good ground enough to hold water, is that what you beleive in, mere mortals who are equally as confused as you are.
I just pray you come to the knowledge of reality and truth before it gets too late for you. Amen!

benodic:
i did not need a near death experience to see most of those things described by the man who had a near death experience. soul travel as thought in Eckankar does that for you.
you travel to these heavens and see things for yourself. while those who rely only on books keeps on arguing and debating over what is truth and what is not. the unfortunate thing is that you can not go to a place when you do not even know how to get there in the first place.

that is why a lot of people on earth when they die become lost and earth bound, roaming round the earth as a formless spirit shouting for help and some preying on their fellow souls. of course the choice will always remain yours. but those who knows know through their hard earned experience which becomes their authority.

Thank you so much for the thoughtful message.