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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 10:54am On Aug 24, 2017
brocab:
Am I writing to a child-this Is killing you-I have searched the scriptures from all angles-I have read from different view points-and followed up what the brethren had seen-and I have read how they see {verse 12} they see, what I see. {Revelation 1} Obviously God sends His angel to John, which isn't questionable the facts are there-but in {verse 12} John seen and heard another voice behind him and as he turned John seen one like the Son of Man standing in the midst of the lambstands, John seen Jesus-this is the Word of God-and you have the cheek to call me a lair.
All I have done was repeat the Word of God how its written in the bible, which of course you disbelieve-If you choose not to believe it, "don't" who cares, I can't change the Word of God for you-and I can't see, what you see-and if you refuse to explain how you see it-I can't help you see reason.


ha ha, you are killing yourself smiley

yes, you are a liar liecab
you have no understanding of the scriptrures
you have much confusion
you are blinded to all i have said
you are blinded to the Bible
you don't believe God's word and Jesus Christ, etc. etc. etc.:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



and for you liecab, lying is just speaking naturally:

brocab:
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument
.


brocab:


.... I have no-more to say to you ....

cheesy you lie in most every post, you can't stop:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:04am On Aug 25, 2017
If you believe you are a true believer then take some advise from another strong believer in Christ-just do it for yourself-I don't deny standing back to back with you-when we stood together writing to the JW's and the Catholic's, I am not denying you don't know the Word of God, and no-one is denying God gave the revelation the Jesus, and Jesus gave it to His angel, and the angel gave it to John-no-one is denying that, it is written-end of story.
But In verse 1:12 while John was in the spirit-he heard another voice behind him, John turned, and seen seven golden lambstands and John saw one like the Son of Man, I have searched the scriptures to try and find your beliefs, and I couldn't find your beliefs, the bible does not say in verse 1:12 John seen the angel of the lord-as you believe, in the midst of the lambstands.
John describes Jesus in all His glory, and when John saw Him, John fell at His feet as dead, then the Lord laid His right hand on John and said: Do not be afraid, "I am" the first and the last, "I am" He who lives and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore.
No-one is denying {Revelation 1} God sent His angel to John-and the angel spoke for Jesus, no-one denying an angel was with John through his vision. John turned as John heard another voice as loud as a trumpet behind him.
I see after reading the scriptures how Jesus and John were close friends-as the bible describes they were-even at the cross, all through John's life he kept his faith towards his true friend Jesus, John was an old man on Patmos when John seen His vision, John fell down as dead-John seen His friend in all His glory, as Jesus described He will be when He is with His Father.
Johno I believed you were a strong believer-a true man of God-everything you wrote was good, but then you changed and you are the one to blame, you turned on me-like a demonic wild animal-calling me names a lair a none believer, you insulted me, abused me-all the the name of Jesus. Ask yourself if you have a heart-is this really you in person-an abuser one that causes disputes amongst the brethren.

Just don't write to me no-more-I need to hear from people who are positive-who love the Lord as much as I do, and I need those who know the scriptures. So we can learn of each other.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:30am On Aug 25, 2017
I think this fellow can explain it better than I can.
Jesus Was Not An Angel

Commentary for January 10, 2004 — Presupposition Versus Biblical Consistency

I recently came across a scholarly article abstract that proposed that Jesus Christ was an angel. It said that He was introduced as an angel in the beginning and presented again at the end of the book of Revelation. This caught my interest because, if true, this would seem to contradict a passage that says the direct opposite. Look at the first passage:

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him [Jesus], to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bore record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.”
• Revelation 1:1–2

The author of this paper presumably identifies Jesus Christ with the angel, claiming them to be the same person. However, John presents in the gospel of John chapter 1 (and reminds us in Revelation 1:1) that Jesus is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Creator, the direct agent of God the Father, which is distinct from being angel or a carrier of a message from God.
The text of verse 1:1 says that there are three beings involved in the transmission of the Revelation to John. First is Jesus Christ who is “unveiled.” Second is God the Father who gave it to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ then “sent and signified it by his angel.” The angel bore record of the Word of God. The angel was the means from whom John received the direct message, just like the angels were sent to deliver messages to the churches of Revelation and elsewhere (Revelation 2:1, 8, 12, 18; 3:1, 7, 14; 22:16).

It is always important to note in the book of Revelation WHO is speaking and WHAT is seen by John. If you keep those two elements in mind, your understanding the book of Revelation will be easier. What John saw and heard was the Revelation of Jesus Christ from God the Father. The angel assisted (1) by taking it to John, (2) by commenting on what John saw and heard and (3) by answering questions direct to John.

There are elements of close similarity and even identical phrases between Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 22:6. This is well known to scholars. If you diagram the sentences (keeping in mind that word order in Greek is somewhat flexible) the identity is even stronger. It is not too difficult to see how someone could identify Jesus with the angel.

“And he [the angel] said unto me, ‘These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly [Greek, same as quickly below] be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of this book.’ And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship ...”
• Revelation 22:6–8

In Revelation 1:1 John is writing and describing the process of transmission. In Revelation 22:6 the angel is speaking and John is writing down his words. The angel is quoting Jesus Christ, but this might not be clear on first reading.
For example, who is speaking, who is hearing and viewing in Revelation 22:6–8? The angel is not coming, but Jesus is coming quickly and without delay as is shown in Revelation 2:5, 2:16, 3:11, 22:12, 20 (as well as 1:1 and 22:7 where the same Greek word meaning “quickly” is used).

The rest of Revelation 22:8 and the next verse helps:

“And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then said he [the angel] unto me, ‘See you do it not: for I am your fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.’”
• Revelation 22:8–9

If Jesus were the angel, John would not have been denied worship of Him. John knew Jesus. He grew up in his neighborhood. He lived in very close contact with Jesus for at least 2½ years with the other disciples. Jesus appeared to Thomas and the other apostles after the resurrection. In John 20:28, when John was present, Thomas exclaimed when Jesus appeared, “My Lord and my God!” Thomas was not rebuked or corrected for that expression of joy. But in Revelation 22:8–9, the angel was not Jesus. He was not worthy of worship and he corrected John.
Finally, Revelation 22:16 shows that there is a distinction between the Jesus Christ and the angel, that they are different personalities.

Strongest Evidence

The passage that completely denies Jesus was an angel of any kind is found in Hebrews chapter 1. This analysis is unique:

“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
[1] ‘You are my Son, this day have I begotten thee’? [2] And again, ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son’? [3] And again, when he brings in the firstbegotten into the world, he says, ‘And let all the angels of God worship him.’
And of the angels he says, ‘Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ But unto the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever [literally, the age of the age or the greatest age]: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
• Hebrews 1:3–8

Three times Paul cites Old Testament references that distinguish Jesus Christ from angels: [1] Psalm 2:7; [2] 2 Samuel 7:14, 1 Chronicles 17:13, 22:10, 28:6; and [3] Psalm 97:7. The passage that says, “But unto the Son ...” is directly from Psalm 45:6-7. Jesus is described as the Son of God in Revelation 2:18, “And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God ...” In other words three direct proofs, and more, are given that Jesus was not and could not be an angel, but that he was a son. Note also that all the angels are to worship Him.
As far as I have found, this unique and obvious understanding of these verses in Hebrews chapter 1 is unique to Dr. Martin and no one has followed up on the implications to other passages in the Bible in the correct manner like he has done. See the articles “How God Uses Angels to Govern the Universe,” “Do You Have a Guardian Angel?,” and “The Philosophy of Christianity.” And there are other articles on the ASK Website that deal obliquely with this subject.

The Chief Messenger

Is not Jesus as Lord described as an archangel in Thessalonians? No, he is not.

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”
• 1 Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord is described as shouting with the voice of an archangel; the text does not say that he is an archangel. If Jesus is an archangel from this passage, then He must also be a trumpet from the same usage in that verse.
By the way, did you ever notice that Paul received the Gospel through the “revelation of Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:12)? John received the “revelation of Jesus Christ” (Revelation 1:1).

Conclusion

If a person considers the Bible to be a slap-together collection of documents then one could begin to think in terms of such contradictions. But if a person looks upon the Bible as a carefully and divinely planned, produced and protected composition as a whole, then one can see elements of the design throughout.

One of the best presentations of that design is in Dr. Martin’s Restoring the Original Bible (Portland, OR: ASK, 1994). In this book Dr. Martin discusses at length the probable double-revealing of the book of Revelation to the apostle John. It is a remarkable story, every bit as remarkable as the design and development of the Holy Scriptures themselves. You will find more about the Bible from that one book than you ever thought possible.

David Sielaff
david@askelm.com
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:44am On Aug 25, 2017
brocab:
If you believe you are a true believer then take some advise from another strong believer in Christ-just do it for yourself-I don't deny standing back to back with you-when we stood together writing to the JW's and the Catholic's, I am not denying you don't know the Word of God, and no-one is denying God gave the revelation the Jesus, and Jesus gave it to His angel, and the angel gave it to John-no-one is denying that, it written-end of story.
But In verse 1:12 while John was in the spirit-he heard another voice behind him, John turned, and seen seven golden lambstands and John saw one like the Son of Man, I have searched the scriptures to try and find your beliefs, and I couldn't find your beliefs, the bible does not say in verse 1:12 John seen the angel of the lord-as you believe, in the midst of the lambstands.
John describes Jesus in all His glory, and when John saw Him, John fell at His feet as dead, then the Lord laid His right hand on John and said: Do not be afraid, "I am" the first and the last, "I am" He who lives and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore.
No-one is denying {Revelation 1} God sent His angel to John-and the angel spoke for Jesus, no-one denying an angel was with John through his vision. John turned as John heard another voice as loud as a trumpet behind him.
I see after reading the scriptures how Jesus and John were close friends-as the bible describes they were-even at the cross, all through John's life he kept his faith towards his true friend Jesus, John was an old man on Patmos when John seen His vision, John fell down as dead-John seen His friend in all His glory, as Jesus described He will be when He is with His Father.
Johno I believed you were a strong believer-a true man of God-everything you wrote was good, but then you changed and you are the one to blame, you turned on me-like a demonic wild animal-calling me names a lair a none believer, you insulted me, abused me-all the the name of Jesus. Ask yourself if you have a heart-is this really you in person-an abuser one that causes disputes amongst the brethren.

Just don't write to me no-more-I need to hear from people who are positive-who love the Lord as much as I do, and I need those who know the scriptures. So we can learn of each other.




quote brocab: "Just don't write to me no-more"

liecab, as far as showing you any more truth from the Bible, that ended
because of your lies, false accusations etc. but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ
I will continue to show your lies and anti Bible ways







you liecab are blinded confused and deceived, for not loving the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


truy you liecab a Jesus Christ denier, is not a believer in Christ
let alone a strong believer, He doesn't know you:

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

i haven't changed one bit, i still show up lies false accusations denial of God's word etc.etc.
but you love to lie and falsely accuse



the names i called you such as liar and non believer are true,
and i understand how you look on truth as demonic



you consider the truth as insults and abuse, ok,
that's just showing more of your non understanding,
and your need to answer with lies and false accusations etc.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:50am On Aug 25, 2017
brocab:
I think this fellow can explain it better than I can.
Jesus Was Not An Angel


did someone say Jesus is an angel
but you cannot stop lying and deceiving
taking after your god:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:54am On Aug 25, 2017
No but you did say John seen the angel of the lord in {Revelation 1:12}
And why don't you try reading it-he is showing the same scriptures you have put across to me.
johnw74:


did someone say Jesus is an angel
but you cannot stop lying and deceiving
taking after your god:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 4:37am On Aug 25, 2017
I suppose everyone is a lair to you-because you believe John seen the angel of the Lord instead of Jesus in verse 1:12
Some mothers do have them-man how confused you really are-you can't see it.
I couldn't believe how disappointed I was to listen to your bad mouthing-you have a bad attitude, and after everything we had gone through-and you have the cheek to call yourself a Christian? To be honest your mouth is like a dirty rage, a lair everything you have accused me off isn't true-I had given you the Word of God as it's written-I suppose you deny this too.
Your lies-your insults and abuse towards a brother in Christ-and your denial against John's vision in verse 1:12, You had accused others who have other beliefs of the very same thing, denying the Word of God-you hypocrite-you told the JW's and the Catholic's off for not believing in the truth, and now look at you-you are doing the same thing as they had done.

Pull yourself together man-get back to the program-the Word of God is so clear, how it is written-you couldn't explain yourself to me Johno because you knew John didn't see the angel of the Lord, John seen Jesus as it is written in bible knowledge.....
johnw74:





quote brocab: "Just don't write to me no-more"

liecab, as far as showing you any more truth from the Bible, that ended
because of your lies, false accusations etc. but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ
I will continue to show your lies and anti Bible ways







you liecab are blinded confused and deceived, for not loving the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


truy you liecab a Jesus Christ denier, is not a believer in Christ
let alone a strong believer, He doesn't know you:

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

i haven't changed one bit, i still show up lies false accusations denial of God's word etc.etc.
but you love to lie and falsely accuse



the names i called you such as liar and non believer are true,
and i understand how you look on truth as demonic



you consider the truth as insults and abuse, ok,
that's just showing more of your non understanding,
and your need to answer with lies and false accusations etc.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 5:46am On Aug 25, 2017
brocab:
No but you did say John seen the angel of the lord in {Revelation 1:12}
And why don't you try reading it-he is showing the same scriptures you have put across to me.


i already told you im not giving any more Bible truth to you
because of your lying and false accusing etc. etc.
but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 5:51am On Aug 25, 2017
brocab:
I suppose everyone is a lair to you-because you believe John seen the angel of the Lord instead of Jesus in verse 1:12
Some mothers do have them-man how confused you really are-you can't see it.


no, not everyone but you certainly are, see how you lied again right there smiley


brocab:
I couldn't believe how disappointed I was to listen to your bad mouthing-you have a bad attitude, and after everything we had gone through-and you have the cheek to call yourself a Christian? To be honest your mouth is like a dirty rage, a lair everything you have accused me off isn't true-I had given you the Word of God as it's written-I suppose you deny this too.
Your lies-your insults and abuse towards a brother in Christ-and your denial against John's vision in verse 1:12, You had accused others who have other beliefs of the very same thing, denying the Word of God-you hypocrite-you told the JW's and the Catholic's off for not believing in the truth, and now look at you-you are doing the same thing as they had done.

Pull yourself together man-get back to the program-the Word of God is so clear, how it is written-you couldn't explain yourself to me Johno because you knew John didn't see the angel of the Lord, John seen Jesus as it is written in bible knowledge.....

yes i know, because you love to lie, you call truth: bad mouthing and bad attitude


ha ha, things i have said to you in truth, you throw back to me in lie,
such a copycat,
this post is of course just more of same continued lies and false accusing

you said i insult you and then you say: "your mouth is like a dirty rage, a lair" cheesy such a hypocrite


truly you are not a brother in Christ, He doesn't know you:

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 

to many lies there in your post for me to waste to much time on, but i have pointed out enough smiley
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 2:23am On Aug 27, 2017
Not for liecab, but for the benefit of those who believe God


Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 

^^^
Jesus Angel appeared to, and spoke to John, just as God's word says, it was not Jesus personally,
but Jesus Angel spoke to John with the authority of Jesus as if He was Jesus Himself

in the same way, the Angel of the LORD appeared to Hagar, it wasn't the LORD(Yahovah) personally,
but the Angel of the LORD spoke to Hagar as if He was the LORD Himself,
look at verse 10
vvv
 
Gen 16:7  And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 
Gen 16:8  And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. 
Gen 16:9  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. 
Gen 16:10  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 
Gen 16:11  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

The Angel of the LORD spoke with the authority of the LORD(Yahovah), just as if He was the LORD Himself,
and Just as Jesus Angel spoke spoke to John with the authority of Jesus, as if He was Jesus Himself


There are other instances of the Angel of the LORD speaking with the authority of the LORD(Yahovah) as if He is the LORD:

Num 22:32  And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me

Jdg_2:1  And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

 


some claim to be christians, but they put their own words before God's word, they have been blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:48am On Aug 28, 2017
johnw74:





bro you are doing a lot of twisting to try and make scripture say something else,
but it is the truth just as it is, you are running all over the place to try and change it

Jesus Angel is representing Jesus and speaks as if He is Jesus

John said Jesus gave him the revelation by His angel, but you don't believe it

Jesus Himself said He sent his angel to give John the revelation, but you don't believe Him

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6  And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Like if you could explain yourself more clearly-which you had refuse to do-then maybe we could understand how you see {Revelation 1:12} Whom do you say John seen?
And because you have refused to say it in your own words, then by the scriptures you have giving me {Revelation 1:1, 22:16} Then through guessing-I believe, you believe, John seen an Angel instead of Christ, in verse 1:12?
If this isn't true, than I expect you to correct me, if I am wrong..
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 2:48am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:

Like if you could explain yourself more clearly-which you had refuse to do-then maybe we could understand how you see {Revelation 1:12} Whom do you say John seen?


liecab, you have changed your post just before i replied, and changed it again after my reply
but that's just the work of a liar


i explained my position very well and won't be doing it again for you, you have been blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


and of course you have lied again liecab, saying John heard two voices
when the only voice that John heard was the voice of Jesus Angel testifying on behalf of Jesus Jesus:

Rev_22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

i ask you for the second time, show the verses of the two different voices talking to John 

^^^ not explaining anything to you, just pointing out your lies



Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:56am On Aug 28, 2017
You are telling me-John was with the Angel-and he never heard a voice behind him that sounded like a trumpet-and when he turned he never seen Christ in all His glory?
johnw74:



liecab, i explained my position very well and won't be doing it again for you, you have been blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


and of course you have lied again liecab, saying John heard two voices
when the only voice that John heard was the voive of Jesus Angel testifying on behalf of Jesus Jesus:

Rev_22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

i ask you for the second time, show the verses of the two different voices talking to John 

^^^ not explaining anything to you, just pointing out your lies



Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:57am On Aug 28, 2017
cool And you haven't explained anything to me yet, I can't wait until you do..Did John seen Christ, or did he see an Angel?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:10am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:
You are telling me-John was with the Angel-and he never heard a voice behind him that sounded like a trumpet-and when he turned he never seen Christ in all His glory?

no, i never said John was with an angel and turned to another voice behind him,
you said that, but i am happy to show how you cannot stop lying in every post;

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:17am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:
cool And you haven't explained anything to me yet, I can't wait until you do..Did John seen Christ, or did he see an Angel?


you liecab told me not to talk to you anymore
and i said that i wouldn't explain things to you anymore
but i will continue to point out your lies.etc.

brocab:

I have no-more to say to you[/color]


brocab:

Just don't write to me no-more







johnw74:


i already told you im not giving any more Bible truth to you
because of your lying and false accusing etc. etc.
but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ:


johnw74:


liecab, as far as showing you any more truth from the Bible, that ended
because of your lies, false accusations etc. but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ
I will continue to show your lies and anti Bible ways



but you liecab cannot stop lying, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:36am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:
cool And you haven't explained anything to me yet, I can't wait until you do..Did John seen Christ, or did he see an Angel?

i explained to you, and more than once,
but when you lie you are just speaking naturally

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:38am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:
cool And you haven't explained anything to me yet, I can't wait until you do..Did John seen Christ, or did he see an Angel?

i explained to you, and more than once,
but when you lie you are just speaking naturally

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 6:10am On Aug 28, 2017
brocab:
cool And you haven't explained anything to me yet, I can't wait until you do..Did John seen Christ, or did he see an Angel?


showing more of your lies liecab

you say liecab that in rev 1:12 it was Jesus who spoke to John
even though God's word and Jesus Christ said that Jesus Angel was sent to testified to John

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus Angel testified as if He was Jesus, just as the Angel of the Lord
testified to Israel as if He was the LORD:

Jdg_2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

you liecab keep saying two voices spoke to John which is ridiculous, and of course you cannot post scripture showing that

you liecab do not believe God's word and Jesus Christ
and like so many, are deceived into thinking you are a christian
you lie in most every post, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.






no gold for liecab that you may buy white raiment, or eye ointment that you may see

Rev_3:18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 6:33am On Aug 28, 2017
just a couple instances of the satanic-demonic spirit in liecab
without going back far:

brocab:

Maybe you need to read the bible, instead of playing with yourself.


brocab:

obviously religion has 007 by the balls


Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 10:33am On Aug 28, 2017
Not for liecab, but for the benefit of those who believe God


As God and the Word is God, the Angel of the LORD and Jesus Angel,
is probably the same Angel, and as the Angel of the LORD at times spoke,
as if He is the Lord, so to Jesus Angel spoke as if He is Jesus,
just as God's word and Jesus Christ give credence to:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:25pm On Aug 28, 2017
End of argument finely you have come to your senses-finely you have read the scriptures and you have admitted John was talking with Jesus in 1:12.
How long had It taken you to write such, and how long did I have to wait-for your answer-you didn't know the answer-until you read the scriptures, Just in your own words-Your argument was your own-end of story.
Now kept your abusive nature to yourself-since you love bringing people down-without a reason-don't write to me anymore-don't engage on whom I write to on this forum..I am not interested with your insults and with your lies you like to spread around without a cause..
johnw74:



showing more of your lies liecab

you say liecab that in rev 1:12 it was Jesus who spoke to John
even though God's word and Jesus Christ said that Jesus Angel was sent to testified to John

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus Angel testified as if He was Jesus, just as the Angel of the Lord
testified to Israel as if He was the LORD:

Jdg_2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

you liecab keep saying two voices spoke to John which is ridiculous, and of course you cannot post scripture showing that

you liecab do not believe God's word and Jesus Christ
and like so many, are deceived into thinking you are a christian
you lie in most every post, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.






no gold for liecab that you may buy white raiment, or eye ointment that you may see

Rev_3:18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 12:56am On Aug 29, 2017
brocab:
End of argument finely you have come to your senses-finely you have read the scriptures and you have admitted John was talking with Jesus in 1:12.
How long had It taken you to write such, and how long did I have to wait-for your answer-you didn't know the answer-until you read the scriptures, Just in your own words-Your argument was your own-end of story.
Now kept your abusive nature to yourself-since you love bringing people down-without a reason-don't write to me anymore-don't engage on whom I write to on this forum..I am not interested with your insults and with your lies you like to spread around without a cause..

of course more of the usual lies from the son of the father of lies


false accuser liecab, i didn't say that at all, but as well as being blinded you love to lie over and over again
in your every post, see how you haver been blinded, ha ha no you cannot see anything can you liecab

read my post again(below), but alas it won't make a diffrence to you, oh blinded lying false accuser

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



johnw74:



showing more of your lies liecab

you say liecab that in rev 1:12 it was Jesus who spoke to John
even though God's word and Jesus Christ said that Jesus Angel was sent to testified to John

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus Angel testified as if He was Jesus, just as the Angel of the Lord
testified to Israel as if He was the LORD:

Jdg_2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

you liecab keep saying two voices spoke to John which is ridiculous, and of course you cannot post scripture showing that

you liecab do not believe God's word and Jesus Christ
and like so many, are deceived into thinking you are a christian
you lie in most every post, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.






no gold for liecab that you may buy white raiment, or eye ointment that you may see

Rev_3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by kandywandy23: 1:27am On Aug 29, 2017
God is love. God is everywhere and that is why he is called the omnipresent God. It is already written in the commandments that you shall worship no other gods but God. If you want to pray do it from your heart. And not with any object. Do not make thyself any graven image. Pls be careful everybody in what you say and do. God bless us all and forgive us all our sins. Sing this and say the prayer that follows >>>> http://www.songandpray.com/2015/03/all-to-jesus-i-surrender-love-and-trust.html

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:33am On Aug 29, 2017
God is our Father-He teaches us His love for us, as we are to love one another.
kandywandy23:
God is love. God is everywhere and that is why he is called the omnipresent God. It is already written in the commandments that you shall worship no other gods but God. If you want to pray do it from your heart. And not with any object. Do not make thyself any graven image. Pls be careful everybody in what you say and do. God bless us all and forgive us all our sins. Sing this and say the prayer that follows >>>> http://www.songandpray.com/2015/03/all-to-jesus-i-surrender-love-and-trust.html
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:37am On Aug 29, 2017
Men will be lovers of themselves He is Proud knowing nothing but is absessed with deputes and arguments over words, from which comes envy. strife, reviling evil suspicions, useless men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth...
No-one is interested in your lies and wonders...
johnw74:


of course more of the usual lies from the son of the father of lies


false accuser liecab, i didn't say that at all, but as well as being blinded you love to lie over and over again
in your every post, see how you haver been blinded, ha ha no you cannot see anything can you liecab

read my post again(below), but alas it won't make a diffrence to you, oh blinded lying false accuser

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 5:32am On Aug 29, 2017
brocab:
Men will be lovers of themselves He is Proud knowing nothing but is absessed with deputes and arguments over words, from which comes envy. strife, reviling evil suspicions, useless men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth...
No-one is interested in your lies and wonders...

liecab because i show up how you lie very much, you then throw back false accusations that i'm lying,
adding more lies to your already very black record, and you think that God doesn't see or hear,
or you don't care that God sees and hears, bad for you

@black, of course you cannot stop lying and falsely accusing, post after post, page after page, day after day,
as you liecab are a son of the father of lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


@blue, you know you are speaking of yourself there liecab, it's how you are all the time smiley
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 6:54am On Aug 29, 2017
brocab:


you have admitted John was talking with Jesus

that's of course just another lie from you liecab,
i'm still waiting for you to post where i alledgely admitted that,
but you cannot because it's just more lying from the son of the father of lies

liecab you also posted that John heard two voices,
and i'm still waiting for you to post scripture that shows that,
but you cannot because it's just more lying from you,
who when you speak a lie you are just speaking naturally

liecab you also said an angel was beside John when he heard another voice behind him
i'm still waiting for the verses showing that to,
but you cannot because it's just more lying from a son of the devil

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



you liecab lie continually, and even say that God's word say's things
which are in fact not said in the Bible
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 7:16am On Aug 29, 2017
Are you now trying to hide behind God after you insulted and abuse me-Do you actually believe God is involved with you, after you keep on ripping down one of His children, you don't really believe God is actually in this picture?
"Who are you trying to fool, I already know why you couldn't give a direct answer to 1:12 because you didn't know it?
You kept on repeating yourself, giving me [Revelation 1:1, 22:16} these verses were your answer-and giving me these verses shows you believed John seen the angel when he turned around-and this is why you went over the top insulting and abusing me-because you wanted me to see, what you had seen.
Praise the Lord for His Word, you aren't fooling Him, and you aren't fooling me neither.
I myself have learnt a lot more about the word of God by others on this forum-but sadly I didn't learn from you..
After everyone who had read your pages-I am sure they wouldn't want me too...

johnw74:


liecab because i show up how you lie very much, you then throw back false accusations that i'm lying,
adding more lies to your already very black record, and you think that God doesn't see or hear,
or you don't care that God sees and hears, bad for you

@black, of course you cannot stop lying and falsely accusing, post after post, page after page, day after day,
as you liecab are a son of the father of lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


@blue, you know you are speaking of yourself there liecab, it's how you are all the time smiley
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 7:48am On Aug 29, 2017
brocab:

{verse 12} John seen and heard another voice


brocab:


while John was in the spirit-he heard another voice

John turned as John heard another voice



John only heard one voice, that of Jesus Angel
but you liecab don't believe God's word and add to it

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:03am On Aug 29, 2017
I am not understanding how you read your bible? And who is Jesus angel?
{Revelation 1:1} Are you saying the angel didn't speak a word to John, and the first Word spoken was only in 1:12?[/color]
And if you think God is in your picture calling me names of insults and abuse of bullying-then think again.
johnw74:





John only heard one voice, that of Jesus Angel
but you liecab don't believe God's word and add to it

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 8:22am On Aug 29, 2017
brocab:
Are you now trying to hide behind God after you insulted and abuse me-Do you actually believe God is involved with you, after you keep on ripping down one of His children, you don't really believe God is actually in this picture?
"Who are you trying to fool, I already know why you couldn't give a direct answer to 1:12 because you didn't know it?
You kept on repeating yourself, giving me [Revelation 1:1, 22:16} these verses were your answer-and giving me these verses shows you believed John seen the angel when he turned around-and this is why you went over the top insulting and abusing me-because you wanted me to see, what you had seen.
Praise the Lord for His Word, you aren't fooling Him, and you aren't fooling me neither.
I myself have learnt a lot more about the word of God by others on this forum-but sadly I didn't learn from you..
After everyone who had read your pages-I am sure they wouldn't want me too...


how pathetic, although God would be good to hide behind if needed, but then you have nothing truthful to say

of course it's just the usual lies and false accusations

the Lord knows i haven't tried to fool Him, but you don't stop lying and don't care that He hears you
and you love to falsely accuse

truly i have answered the rev questions but you have been blinded,
and you oh liar do not answer the rev questions and keep running away from them,
like: where are the scriptures showing that John heard two voices,
and where are the scriptures showing an angel was besides John when he heard another voice
you said i admitted John was talking to Jesus(not Jesus Angel) i'm still waiting for you to post these things oh whopping big fibber

^^^ see how you lie all the time, and then accuse me of that lie

and truly liars are not children of God, u deceive yourself

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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