"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" (1 Peter 3:19-19). Who are these spirit in prison ? These were the unbelieving Jews and gentiles, the bible is not talking about the dead here. If you are an unbeliever your spirit is a prisoner to the devil.

Why do you need those who are in heaven to pray for you, is that what Christ thought us, He said seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all other thing shall be added unto you" He did'nt say seek the souls in heaven.

Christ also made us know He is the vine and we are the branches. Sit back think about a mango tree, the same life that goes to the vine goes to the branches, we really don't need this souls that are dead, they have all fought the good fight of faith like Paul will say. Now fight your own fight for salvation and leave dead to remain in their bossom.

HerexG :
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" (1 Peter 3:19-19). Who are these spirit in prison ? These were the unbelieving Jews and gentiles, the bible is not talking about the dead here. If you are an unbeliever your spirit is a prisoner to the devil.

1 Pet 3:19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Do you still insist that the people in prison were not DEAD?

Those who lived in the time of Noah were still alive even after Jesus death?

You are saying that these people lived for about 2500 years?

You're saying Metuselah is not the man who lived longest. You want to redefine Bible history rather than accept that you are wrong?

chukwudi44: Maybe Jesus practised necromancy in 1 pet 3:18-21

on point sir...

I repeat , praying for the dead is unscriptural.

After death is judgement. You seal your fate when you die and there is nothing you or anyone can do to change this.

Praying for the dead is pagan , but then what is new with the Catholics and their pagan religion.

I was horrified when I visited the Vatican about 2 years ago, when I saw all the dead mummified saints all over the place, it smelt more of death than life, what a useless religion.

frosbel: I repeat , praying for the dead is unscriptural.

After death is judgement. You seal your fate when you die and there is nothing you or anyone can do to change this.

Praying for the dead is pagan , but then what is new with the Catholics and their pagan religion.

I was horrified when I visited the Vatican about 2 years ago, when I saw all the dead mummified saints all over the place, it smelt more of death than life, what a useless religion.

lol... Or rather what a useless being you are.

nne3870:
lol... Or rather what a useless being you are.

You can keep entertaining yourself with the cultic rubbish of the catholic church or you may decide to repent of your idol worship and follow Jesus.

Death has the final say only in the sense that it is at death where God
has said that a person's choices regarding their submission or
rejection of Christ have reached their terminus... its not that God is
limited by death, its that humans are. God is outside of space and
time... humans are not. If we lived our lives always taking into
consideration that God is not limited by time and space, then I might
as well keep praying for something that to come to pass (or not
come to pass) that happened yesterday... last week, last month, last
year, etc. Its true that I could go on a trip, forget to pray that I would
have a safe trip and return, get home safely, THEN pray for a safe
trip and return, and God could well grant the safety of that trip
because He also knew that I would forget to pray and so He would
honor my prayer for a safe trip after the fact, true. But typically we
pray about things yet to come to pass in space and time because
we are creatures of time and space.
Not praying for things and event that a gone with time.

frosbel:


You can keep entertaining yourself with the cultic rubbish of the catholic church or you may decide to repent of your idol worship and follow Jesus.

really? Fyi sir, i am a strong follower of christ and i do not know where u got your idol worship thing. I should be preaching repentance to you, cos u are no where close to being 'christlike'.

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frosbel: I repeat , praying for the dead is unscriptural.

After death is judgement. You seal your fate when you die and there is nothing you or anyone can do to change this.

Praying for the dead is pagan , but then what is new with the Catholics and their pagan religion.

I was horrified when I visited the Vatican about 2 years ago, when I saw all the dead [/b] mummified saints[b] all over the place, it smelt more of death than life, what a useless religion.

Ol boy we don't have mummified saints,they are termed incorruptibles!!! It is a miracle and living proof of the awesome power of God

HerexG :
Death has the final say only in the sense that it is at death where God
has said that a person's choices regarding their submission or
rejection of Christ have reached their terminus... its not that God is
limited by death, its that humans are. God is outside of space and
time... humans are not. If we lived our lives always taking into
consideration that God is not limited by time and space, then I might
as well keep praying for something that to come to pass (or not
come to pass) that happened yesterday... last week, last month, last
year, etc. Its true that I could go on a trip, forget to pray that I would
have a safe trip and return, get home safely, THEN pray for a safe
trip and return, and God could well grant the safety of that trip
because He also knew that I would forget to pray and so He would
honor my prayer for a safe trip after the fact, true. But typically we
pray about things yet to come to pass in space and time because
we are creatures of time and space.
Not praying for things and event that a gone with time.

Ol man the bible already told us in 1 John 5:16-17 that not all sins lead to damnation and thus we should pray for our loved ones,do you have a problem with that? Do you think you know better than John who wrote that scriptural letter?

I tire for some peopleooo

The moment they are dead, they cease to be your loved ones , take it or leave it.

@ HerexG,

Do you still insist that the spirits Jesus went to preach to were not dead?

After Christ died He went to minister to spirit in Abraham bossom , He went their to set those who were in captivity free. He broke the gap between man and God, now we have nothing as the Abraham bossom anymore, this is a place where the righteous people are then before Christ came to die, it is another form of hell . He went their fought and conquered, He chained the devil, and he is to be released on the day of armageddon. Mind you HE WAS NOT A MAN ANYMORE, WHEN HE WENT TO MINISTER TO THEM. While on earth there was never a time Christ prayed for the dead.

italo: @ HerexG,

Do you still insist that the spirits Jesus went to preach to were not dead?

Where did it say it was the spirits of the dead Jesus went to preach to??....

Please italo show me.........

When once you guys decide to shove scriptural truths aside this is what happens.....inconsistency!!!!!!!!........

The bible several times has shown that when a person dies,he/she turns to dust and that persons spirit(breath of life) returns to GOD........

For you to say the spirits of those that died in the deluge were kept in prison is a big hoax............

This thougth is what fuels and maintains your belief in purgatory which goes contrary to what the scriptures really teaches........

Other scriptures have shown clearly that these spirits(not souls as you are falsely thinking) were the disobedient angels who forsook there natural positions in heaven to come dwell with the daughters of men.........

I will repeat this.....God does not lock people who are destroyed in ""prisons"".......

Those spirits in 1 peter 3:19,20 are disobedient angels......Mortal man is not a spirit for crying out loud....

SMH!!!!!!!!!!

There is no amount of rubbish one won't read on this thread!! Where did you read abraham's bosom was a refuge for the dead and how did you get to know it no longer exists? How pathetic could one get?

@ijawkid

Is it that you can't read or you are simply been mischievious?

1 Pet 3:19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Verse 20 makes it explicitly clear the identities of these people.They were the ones who rejected Noah's message
When he was building the ark.

Even 1 pet 4:6 makes it further clear "and that is why the good news was preached to the dead...."

ijawkid:

Where did it say it was the spirits of the dead Jesus went to preach to??....

Please italo show me.........

When once you guys decide to shove scriptural truths aside this is what happens.....inconsistency!!!!!!!!........

The bible several times has shown that when a person dies,he/she turns to dust and that persons spirit(breath of life) returns to GOD........

For you to say the spirits of those that died in the deluge were kept in prison is a big hoax............

This thougth is what fuels and maintains your belief in purgatory which goes contrary to what the scriptures really teaches........

Other scriptures have shown clearly that these spirits(not souls as you are falsely thinking) were the disobedient angels who forsook there natural positions in heaven to come dwell with the daughters of men.........

I will repeat this.....God does not lock people who are destroyed in ""prisons"".......

Those spirits in 1 peter 3:19,20 are disobedient angels......Mortal man is not a spirit for crying out loud....

SMH!!!!!!!!!!

That is why they don't know the source of God's anger.

The breath of life(spirit) goes back to the creator after death and it's not locked in prison.

chukwudi44:

@ijawkid

Is it that you can't read or you are simply been mischievious?

1 Pet 3:19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Verse 20 makes it explicitly clear the identities of these people.They were the ones who rejected Noah's message
When he was building the ark.

Even 1 pet 4:6 makes it further clear "and that is why the good news was preached to the dead...."

How does verse 20 say those spirits were the spirit of the dead??

You are the one who needs to read that verse with a non-purgatory eye to see that those spirits never were persons who once lived and died,and there souls sent to prison.....

Open your eyes my brother and stop giving rubbish exegesis to scriptures....

When humans die there spirit goes to God and not to a prison....

2 peter 2:1-4 shows that those who were locked alive in prison during noahs day were disobedient angels and not those humans who were annihilated by the flood.....

Jesus preached to the imprisoned ""spirits"" and not the souls of dead persons..........

Humans are not spirits........

Leave superstition alone.....

Boomark:

That is why they don't know the source of God's anger.

The breath of life(spirit) goes back to the creator after death and it's not locked in prison.

Chukwudi is trying to tell all us that the spirit of bad persons that have died,are locked up in prison...something the scriptures never teaches....

He is also telling us that adam and eve are in that prison......

All this is happening because they still don't know what the "spirit"" that leaves man(wether good or bad) and returns to God after death means.......

Chukwudi is telling us that the spirit no longer returns to GOD but locked in a prison....

chukwudi44: There is no amount of rubbish one won't read on this thread!! Where did you read abraham's bosom was a refuge for the dead and how did you get to know it no longer exists? How pathetic could one get?

@ijawkid

Is it that you can't read or you are simply been mischievious?

1 Pet 3:19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Verse 20 makes it explicitly clear the identities of these people.They were the ones who rejected Noah's message
When he was building the ark.

Even 1 pet 4:6 makes it further clear "and that is why the good news was preached to the dead...."

Ephesians 2:1-2
New International Version (NIV)
Made Alive in Christ
As for you, you were dead in your
transgressions and sins, 2 in which
you used to live when you
followed the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the kingdom of
the air, the spirit who is now at
work in those who are disobedient. Also Ro 6:13.

Christ said let the dead bury the dead.

Hmm...what does that mean? Hope you got the gist?

1 Pet 4:6 "For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now DEAD..."

But anti-Catholics will say that they were not dead.

1 Pet 3:19,20: "19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

But anti-Catholics will say that those that were in the days of Noah were still alive after the death of Jesus.

We are talking about the first letter of peter and not his second letter nor the letter to the ephesians.

The identities of these spirits are claerly outlined yet you people are still blabbing.

I pet 3:20 makes it clear who they were noah never preached to angels and angels were never destroyed in that flood.

I pet 4:6 goes further to tell us why Jesus had to preach to the dead.

Na waaoo 4 people

Kindly read this carefully.....

Is there proof in the bible that Jesus went down into hell
after he was crucified ?
It is commonly taught in the Churches today that when Jesus died
he went to Hell and fought the Powers of Darkness and then was
raised back to the earth before being raised to the highest position
in Heaven.
But where is the proof for such a commonly taught doctrine.
Below I have found some scriptures that back up this teaching. I
have an explanation of each verse, but ultimately you can make
your own mind up about this matter.
At this stage I want to show you some scriptures that refer to the
location of Hell.
See the scriptures below.
In Ezekiel 26:20 (English-NIV) it says:
then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to
the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below,
as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you
will not return or take your place in the land of the living.
Notice that this scripture indicates that some people are dwelling in
the Earth below (the pit).
Ezekiel 31:16 (English-KJV)
I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast
him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the
trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water,
shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Again Hell (sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit) is referred to as
being in the earth.
Luke 16:19-28 (English-NIV)
19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen
and lived in luxury every day.
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with
sores
21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the
dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried
him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw
Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and
send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my
tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
25 But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you
received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but
now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has
been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you
cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
27 He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my
father's house,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will
not also come to this place of torment.
Remember that these are the recorded words of Jesus himself.
Taken literally it suggests that the world of the dead is/was divided
into 2 regions. One for the wicked and the other for the righteous.
The wicked are in torment in hell and the righteous are/were in
peace with Abraham.
There was/is a chasm between the 2 places that stopped either
side from crossing to the other, yet they could/can still
communicate with each other.
Now I want to show you that Jesus went to Hades/Hell after He
was crucified on the Cross according to the scripture.
Matthew 12:40 (English-NIV)
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.
This scripture is quite blatant about the fact that Jesus went to the
heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
If this is the case then how do the words of Jesus spoken to the
thief on the cross make sense.
Luke 23:42-43 (English-NIV)
42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your
kingdom."
43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be
with me in paradise."
The point I am making here is that Jesus was in the heart of the
earth for approximately 3 days, after that he walked the earth for a
short time and then he was lifted up into heaven.
So if the reference to Paradise was heaven, then when Jesus said
to the thief on the cross "that he would be in paradise with him
today" would have to be a contradiction because Jesus was in the
heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
The only way that both scriptures can be explained without
contradiction is to say that Paradise was also in the heart of the
earth like Hell.
Do you find this hard to believe.
Doesn't Luke 16:19-28 say the same thing. We just read earlier in
those verses that when Lazarus died he went to Abraham's side
and the rich man went to hell. In hell the rich man looked up and
could see Lazarus being comforted atAbraham'ss side. But neither
could cross over to the other side because of a huge chasm.
Ephesians 4:9 (English-NIV)
8 This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives
in his train and gave gifts to men."
9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended
to the lower, earthly regions ?
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than
all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.
The focal point for the word ascended and descended is the earth
itself.
In verse 9 it says that he descended to the lower earthly regions
Hebrews 2:14 (English-NIV)
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their
humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds
the power of death--that is, the devil.
Revelation 1:18 (English-NIV)

HerexG :
Kindly read this carefully.....

Is there proof in the bible that Jesus went down into hell
after he was crucified ?
It is commonly taught in the Churches today that when Jesus died
he went to Hell and fought the Powers of Darkness and then was
raised back to the earth before being raised to the highest position
in Heaven.
But where is the proof for such a commonly taught doctrine.
Below I have found some scriptures that back up this teaching. I
have an explanation of each verse, but ultimately you can make
your own mind up about this matter.
At this stage I want to show you some scriptures that refer to the
location of Hell.
See the scriptures below.
In Ezekiel 26:20 (English-NIV) it says:
then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to
the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below,
as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you
will not return or take your place in the land of the living.
Notice that this scripture indicates that some people are dwelling in
the Earth below (the pit).
Ezekiel 31:16 (English-KJV)
I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast
him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the
trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water,
shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Again Hell (sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit) is referred to as
being in the earth.
Luke 16:19-28 (English-NIV)
19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen
and lived in luxury every day.
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with
sores
21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the
dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried
him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw
Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and
send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my
tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
25 But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you
received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but
now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has
been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you
cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
27 He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my
father's house,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will
not also come to this place of torment.
Remember that these are the recorded words of Jesus himself.
Taken literally it suggests that the world of the dead is/was divided
into 2 regions. One for the wicked and the other for the righteous.
The wicked are in torment in hell and the righteous are/were in
peace with Abraham.
There was/is a chasm between the 2 places that stopped either
side from crossing to the other, yet they could/can still
communicate with each other.
Now I want to show you that Jesus went to Hades/Hell after He
was crucified on the Cross according to the scripture.
Matthew 12:40 (English-NIV)
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.
This scripture is quite blatant about the fact that Jesus went to the
heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
If this is the case then how do the words of Jesus spoken to the
thief on the cross make sense.
Luke 23:42-43 (English-NIV)
42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your
kingdom."
43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be
with me in paradise."
The point I am making here is that Jesus was in the heart of the
earth for approximately 3 days, after that he walked the earth for a
short time and then he was lifted up into heaven.
So if the reference to Paradise was heaven, then when Jesus said
to the thief on the cross "that he would be in paradise with him
today" would have to be a contradiction because Jesus was in the
heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
The only way that both scriptures can be explained without
contradiction is to say that Paradise was also in the heart of the
earth like Hell.
Do you find this hard to believe.
Doesn't Luke 16:19-28 say the same thing. We just read earlier in
those verses that when Lazarus died he went to Abraham's side
and the rich man went to hell. In hell the rich man looked up and
could see Lazarus being comforted atAbraham'ss side. But neither
could cross over to the other side because of a huge chasm.
Ephesians 4:9 (English-NIV)
8 This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives
in his train and gave gifts to men."
9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended
to the lower, earthly regions ?
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than
all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.
The focal point for the word ascended and descended is the earth
itself.
In verse 9 it says that he descended to the lower earthly regions
Hebrews 2:14 (English-NIV)
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their
humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds
the power of death--that is, the devil.
Revelation 1:18 (English-NIV)

I truelly feel sorry for you.Your case is more pathetic than I thought.I can't beleieve even after reading an explicit bible verse you are still this dumb

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he
placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the
First and the Last.
18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever
and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
These scriptures indicate that Jesus was dead and is now alive, he
also has the Keys of death and hell. We can see clearly that Jesus
mission to destroy the power that the devil had over death was a
success.
1 Peter 3 (English-NIV)
18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the
unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the
body but made alive by the Spirit,
19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in
prison
20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the
days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people,
eight in all, were saved through water,
This scripture says that Jesus preached to disobedient spirits in
prison who died before the flood of Noah.
Although I myself do not quite understand the full ramifications of
this verse, It does make sense that when Jesus defeated death, he
could have proclaimed his victory to the wicked spirits in Hell, in
other words he heralded their soon coming judgement, and then
of course he set the righteous spirits free to abide in Heaven. It
doesn't necessarily mean that Jesus gave the wicked a second
chance to repent as the New Testament scriptures are quite blatant
about the fact that you can only repent while you are alive.
1 Peter 4:5-6 (English-NIV)
5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge
the living and the dead.
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those
who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to
men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to
the spirit.
This scripture could relate to the above scripture as they are only
one chapter apart ie Jesus preached to the dead.
This scripture also seems to say that the Gospel was preached to
the dead and they were given a chance at life, but it can also be
interpreted to say that the disobedient who are dead actually heard
the gospel when they were alive, and the reference to the dead is
to say that they were dead at the time of the scripture, ie now
dead, but were actually alive when they heard the gospel.
I have added these 2 verses as they relate to Jesus death and
journey to the world of the dead, but I do repeat the statement I
made earlier, and that is that I do not understand the full
ramifications of these 2 verses.
Matthew 27:50 - 52 (English-KJV):
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up
the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the
top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints
which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went
into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
After Jesus died many of the dead saints arose and walked the
earth and appeared to many.
This seems to suggest that Jesus freed the dead saints from a
sleep, so he probably went to the place of the dead and set them
free. These saints would have been in Paradise, see Luke 16:19-28
(quoted earlier).
Remember that Jesus also rose from the dead and walked the
earth before being taken up into Heaven. These saints of old that
walked the earth probably were raised to heaven as well. There is
no suggestion in the Bible that these saints continued to live
amongst mankind.
The fact that the dead rose at the same time as Jesus resurrection
is a fulfillment of what Jesus said would happen in John 5:28-29
(English-NIV)
28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who
are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and
those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
Also
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (English-NIV)
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud
command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet
call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And
so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each
other with these words.
Notice that the dead rise first, and at some stage all those believers
who are still living will join the dead to meet the Lord.
Jesus victory over death has enabled the saints who have died to
by pass Hades and go to Heaven as he did, this was a result of the
victory over the devil; who had the power of death. Jesus took the
keys of death and hell from him, as we read earlier Revelation 1:18.
Today when the righteous die, they go straight to heaven, but the
wicked remain in the grave/hell until the great day of judgement..

@ italo and chukwu ...

1 peter 4:6 was never reffering to literal dead persons that were preached to....the bible still maintains its stand that the dead are conscious of nothing @ all..and I still stand by the fact that the spirits that were locked in ""prison"" and preached to by Christ were disobedient angels who forsook there position in heaven to have relations with daughters of men during noahs day....
I quoted jude 6 and 2 peter 2:4 but you both behaved like you didn't see it...

...when we die our spirits are not locked in prisons rather it returns back to GOD...




The message of 1 peter 4:6 was directed to those who were ""spiritually"" dead but came to life ""spiritually"" after being preached to...
_____________________

If you compare 1 peter chapter 4:1-6 with ephesians 2:1-5 you'll understand what peter meant....

Let's read it..
Ephesians 2:1-5
1.. As for you, you were"" dead"" in your
transgressions and sins, 2.. in which you used to
live when you followed the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the
spirit who is now at work in those who are
disobedient. 3.. All of us also lived among them
at one time, gratifying the cravings of our
flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts.
Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of
wrath..4 But because of his great love for us,
God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us ""alive"" with
Christ even when we were dead in
transgressions—it is by grace you have been
saved.....
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1 peter 4:1-6 and ephesians 2:1-5 are saying one and the same thing...those who engaged in worldy pursuits and in the quest for the desires of men(illegal idolatries,loose conduct,immorality) were considered "" dead""....

Those persons only came to life when they were preached to....and that is what peter was saying...peter never for once thougth of purgatory..peter knew that the dead remained in the graves till ressurection...

Let's also compare another scripture..

Let's read 1 timothy 5:5-6
English Standard
Version (ESV)
5 She who is truly a
widow, left all alone,
has set her hope on
God and continues in
supplications and
prayers night and day,
6 but she who is self-
indulgent is ""dead" even
while she lives....
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Again anyone who goes in for sensual gratification is ""dead"" although alive...
..................................

For you to think that all those who died before Christ died are all locked up in a prison is crazy.....

the dead are conscious of nothing.... preaching to the dead(literally speaking) has no effect on them....

When we die our spirit returns to our maker and not to a prison....

I reiterate::::::1 peter 3:19-20
Does not in any way say that those spirits in prison were the souls of those who died during the flood.....those that were killed in the flood ceased to exist.....

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Are you so-called "Christians" not ashamed of your hypocrisy?

1 Pet 3:19,20: 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

Is this not clear enough? Later you will accuse Catholics of not reading scripture, but when we show you scripture you start to run from pillar to post trying to use mental gymnastics to sommersault everything.

What part of those to verses is difficult to understand now?

What is the problem? Is it that you are blind and cannot see or you are mentally deficient and cannot understand or you are just plain hypocrites and will not accept the truth?

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Are you so-called "Christians" not ashamed of your hypocrisy?

1 Pet 3:19,20: 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

Is this not clear enough? Later you will accuse Catholics of not reading scripture, but when we show you scripture you start to run from pillar to post trying to use mental gymnastics to sommersault everything.

What part of those to verses is difficult to understand now?

What is the problem? Is it that you are blind and cannot see or you are mentally deficient and cannot understand or you are just plain hypocrites and will not accept the truth?

It is you who is having a blurred vision......

Did 1 peter 3:19-20 ever tell you that the ""spirits"" were spirits of the dead??...

Now that is the question I have been asking you....but no answer.....

Since it is hard for you to allign scriptures so that they don't contradict each other then you need some help.....

I just showed you who the"" dead "" that was mentioned in 1 peter 4;6 were and you are laughing .........

Literally dead people are DEAD......they neither can learn nor be preached to......its useless and baseless......only those who are spiritually dead can be preached to and then giving"" LIFE""

you have also refused to read jude 6 and 2 peter 2:4 to see which "spirits" were chained and imprisoned.....

Keep deluding yourself with ""Purgatory""....

ijawkid:

It is you who is having a blurred vision......

Did 1 peter 3:19-20 ever tell you that the ""spirits"" were spirits of the dead??...

Now that is the question I have been asking you....but no answer.....

Since it is hard for you to allign scriptures so that they don't contradict each other then you need some help.....

I just showed you who the"" dead "" that was mentioned in 1 peter 4;6 were and you are laughing .........

Literally dead people are DEAD......they neither can learn nor be preached to......its useless and baseless......only those who are spiritually dead can be preached to and then giving"" LIFE""

you have also refused to read jude 6 and 2 peter 2:4 to see which "spirits" were chained and imprisoned.....

Keep deluding yourself with ""Purgatory""....

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So the people that were disobedient in the time of Noah were not literally dead at the time Jesus went to preach to them, abi? They had lived for 2500years. They had outlived Metuselah.

My brother let me just laugh so that I won't describe or address you with the exact words that you deserve.

At times I wonder if people crave for the truth or they just argue like lawyers trying to win a case @ all cost.scriptures explicitly stated are still been shamelessly disputed.

Verse 20 is so clear that even a JSS1 student would understand it.

20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

Is this not clear enough!! Who did noah preach to? Where they angels? Verse 21 further tells you that only eight people were saved in that flood.did any angel perish in that flood.That whole chapter did not even say anything about angels.How mischievious could people be.

Chap 4:6 further explains why the good news had to be preached to those who have died.

People should allow the scripture teach us and not the other way round.

italo:

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So the people that were disobedient in the time of Noah were not literally dead at the time Jesus went to preach to them, abi? They had lived for 2500years. They had outlived Metuselah.

My brother let me just laugh so that I won't describe or address you with the exact words that you deserve.

Those"" spirits"" were disobedient angels and not spirits of those who died....

Angels are spirits,humans are not...

When adam and eve died they went to the ground(grave) and not locked up in a prison....

Don't you get it??....

You can keep laughing.......

chukwudi44: At times I wonder if people crave for the truth or they just argue like lawyers trying to win a case @ all cost.scriptures explicitly stated are still been shamelessly disputed.

Verse 20 is so clear that even a JSS1 student would understand it.

20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

Is this not clear enough!! Who did noah preach to? Where they angels? Verse 21 further tells you that only eight people were saved in that flood.did any angel perish in that flood.That whole chapter did not even say anything about angels.How mischievious could people be.

Chap 4:6 further explains why the good news had to be preached to those who have died.

People should allow the scripture teach us and not the other way round.

Those spirits were angels and not dead human spirits........

We are not spirits........


Except you would argue angels who were rebels never cane to the earth during the time of noah...is that it??....


1 peter no where mentions that those spirits were spirit of dead persons......it only says Jesus preached to the ""spirits" who were locked in prison....

It is your purgatory eye that is making you feel those spirits were spirit of the dead.......

@Ijawkid,

So it was Angels that were disobedient and perished in the flood in the time of Noah (1Pet 3:20)?

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