Praying for the dead is important in Islam.

Three Surat al Ikhlas for the dead Muslims.

If so,I should start praying for the soul of my uncle who died a MASON to be forgiven and accepted into heaven. HOGWASH.

Have you people not heard?

"Let the dead bury the dead." also,

"Let the dead pray for the dead."

what a stricking similarity! Those following Christ should follow him while those following maccabee should follow him.

bongila: If so,I should start praying for the soul of my uncle who died a MASON to be forgiven and accepted into heaven. HOGWASH.

I wondered in Francais. Judgement will have no meaning then.

To those who to listen and believe, explanation is necessary. to those who dont want to listen no explanation is necessary.

hurricaneChris: I'm jus forced by d blindness (to d truth) of some folks here to comment.

In 2nd Macaebees Judas Maccabees collected offerings frm d remaining soldiers and sent to Jerusalem in atonement for the sins of soldiers killed in d war in d town of Adullam.

I believe the greatest thing done against some Christians was d removal of some scriptural books by Luther King.

I wud rather pray to God frm my houz if am tayad of catholic dan to b part of heresy.

Deus, concedat pater meus et domesticos qui mortui requiem aerternam==>

God, grant my father and family members who have died aternal rest.....Amen

To those who to listen and believe, explanation is necessary. to those who dont want to listen no explanation is necessary.

We may not know the fate of the dead only God alone knows.But it does not help us to mislead others by making references to subjects we do not have detailed knowledge of,for example NECROMANCY is not what most of us here on this thread define it to be,possibly they think that every Nairalander is a novice in matters of Religion and spirituality.Necromancy is the act of conjuring the dead,attempting to communicate with the dead.There is absolutely as far as I know nothing wrong praying for a loved one who has passed on marked with the sign of faith.God has the final say on their fate not we humans.

Ok ok.. From Islamic perspective if you dont care u can click here and see for your self.

chukwudi44: Maybe Jesus practised necromancy in 1 pet 3:18-21

did it say that jesus prayed for the dead?

italo:

1 Pet 3:19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Do you still insist that the people in prison were not DEAD?

Those who lived in the time of Noah were still alive even after Jesus death?

You are saying that these people lived for about 2500 years?

You're saying Metuselah is not the man who lived longest. You want to redefine Bible history rather than accept that you are wrong?

compare 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 it'll tell you who these spirits are.

italo: @ HerexG and Frosbel,



When we pray TO those who you say are "dead", we are actually asking the Saints who have made it to heaven to intercede for us. And we know that they are not dead, but alive.

The intercession of Jesus is no longer enough?
He suddenly needs help in his intercessory ministry?

ijawkid:

Where did it say it was the spirits of the dead Jesus went to preach to??....

Please italo show me.........

When once you guys decide to shove scriptural truths aside this is what happens.....inconsistency!!!!!!!!........

The bible several times has shown that when a person dies,he/she turns to dust and that persons spirit(breath of life) returns to GOD........

For you to say the spirits of those that died in the deluge were kept in prison is a big hoax............

This thougth is what fuels and maintains your belief in purgatory which goes contrary to what the scriptures really teaches........

Other scriptures have shown clearly that these spirits(not souls as you are falsely thinking) were the disobedient angels who forsook there natural positions in heaven to come dwell with the daughters of men.........

I will repeat this.....God does not lock people who are destroyed in ""prisons"".......

Those spirits in 1 peter 3:19,20 are disobedient angels......Mortal man is not a spirit for crying out loud....

SMH!!!!!!!!!!

thank you

mbulela:
The intercession of Jesus is no longer enough?
He suddenly needs help in his intercessory ministry?

they forget there is only one mediator between man and God. That is Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5, 6

italo: 1 Pet 4:6 "For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now DEAD..."

But anti-Catholics will say that they were not dead.

1 Pet 3:19,20: "19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."

But anti-Catholics will say that those that were in the days of Noah were still alive after the death of Jesus.

first bolded. Was preached. Not is being preached. Shows past tense referring to when they were alive.
Second bolded. The spirits that were locked up from Noah's day were disobedient angels who came to earth to marry daughters of men.

italo:

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the people that were disobedient in the time of Noah were not literally dead at the time Jesus went to preach to them, abi? They had lived for 2500years. They had outlived Metuselah.

My brother let me just laugh so that I won't describe or address you with the exact words that you deserve.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 explains the condition of the dead too. They know nothing. And can learn nothing. And No, the people in Noah's day weren't alive in Peter's day, he was referring to the angels locked in "Tartarus"

italo: @Ijawkid,

So it was Angels that were disobedient and perished in the flood in the time of Noah (1Pet 3:20)?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they did not perish in the flood

Guys, no amount of prayer can change the place a dead person will spend his eternity. After dead is judgement. No more pardon 4 4giveness of sin. Heaven or Hell, period. Kkk

PHILIPPIANS 2:12 tells us to work out our OWN salvation. If i do bad, die, and they pray for me and i'm forgiven. Have i worked out MY OWN salvation? Or has someone worked out my salvation FOR ME? ponder

ciphoenix: PHILIPPIANS 2:12 tells us to work out our OWN salvation. If i do bad, die, and they pray for me and i'm forgiven. Have i worked out MY OWN salvation? Or has someone worked out my salvation FOR ME? ponder

Ukeme453: Guys, no amount of prayer can change the place a dead person will spend his eternity. After dead is judgement. No more pardon 4 4giveness of sin. Heaven or Hell, period. Kkk

I am not interested in proving to you anymore that Jesus preached to the dead. You should take up your shameful argument with Jesus or Peter who wrote it.

Have you ever said "may his/her soul rest in peace" or have you responded "amen" to that before?

YES or NO?

In as much as it is not forbidden to pray for the dead, I would continue praying for the dead. We translate the bible too literally and most of us believe anything outside the bible is not it, quite wrong. Our timing and timing on the spiritual realm, I don't think would be same so when someone says after death comes judgement, they should think deeply. For goodness sakes if I love someone so much and after losing the person you say I should not say "rest in peace", then you'd better think twice well .

nne3870: I think most of us are guilty of praying for the dead, cos some ppl quickly adds 'may his/her soul rest in peace' once we hear some1 has passed on... And did i hear some one say amen? You guys would live longer if you stop dissing us and the church.

Not that its a sin to pray for the dead but its just helpless and meaningless, yes i say "may his soul rest in peace" but i already know nothing can be done to change his destination no matter the prayer, besides the word "may his soul rest his peace" is only a statement of hoping for the dead and not prayer. To cut it short, praying for the dead isnt biblical, i think chukwudi got those passage he quoted all wrong.

If it were possible for a persons prayer to be answered, then no one will go to hell, after a bloody sinner dies, all i will just do is to pray and then he goes to heaven (very senseless), now is the accepted time of salvation not when we are dead.

And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
(heb 9:27)

Will the prayer change God's standard of judgement? If it wont, then i think the prayer is meaningless. God can't be mocked, you cant live a sinful life and expect one prayer to save you when you die, common sense should tell us that, if the prayer could save, then jesus dint need to die for our sins since we can be saved after a prayer when we are dead.

italo:


I am not interested in proving to you anymore that Jesus preached to the dead. You should take up your shameful argument with Jesus or Peter who wrote it.

Have you ever said "may his/her soul rest in peace" or have you responded "amen" to that before?

YES or NO?

NO i've never

haibe: And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
(heb 9:27)

Will the prayer change God's standard of judgement? If it wont, then i think the prayer is meaningless. God can't be mocked, you cant live a sinful life and expect one prayer to save you when you die, common sense should tell us that, if the prayer could save, then jesus dint need to die for our sins since we can be saved after a prayer when we are dead.

Sense wan kill you....shake my hands...

From the stance of purgatory supporters,we can just relax back and pray for gadaffi,pilate,hitler,sadam hussein to make the kingdom of God simply by praying for them......

E no go work o......

ijawkid:

Sense wan kill you....shake my hands...

From the stance of purgatory supporters,we can just relax back and pray for gadaffi,pilate,hitler,sadam hussein to make the kingdom of God simply by praying for them......

E no go work o......

thank You. God cannot be mocked. what a man have sown, that he shall reap.

haibe: And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
(heb 9:27)

Will the prayer change God's standard of judgement? If it wont, then i think the prayer is meaningless. God can't be mocked, you cant live a sinful life and expect one prayer to save you when you die, common sense should tell us that, if the prayer could save, then jesus dint need to die for our sins since we can be saved after a prayer when we are dead.

Thank you sir. No comment from my side. The blind that has refused to see will continue to perpetually be in darkness. Beyond reading and citing quotes, it's necessary to receive revelation on this topic. God will always be right. Jesus is Lord. Enough of the veneration of some dead people.

ijawkid:

You knw wetin vision be at all??...

Ok now let's go from your spurios stand....

After elijah and moses departed where did they go to??....purgatory??

Elijah was taken away by chariot of fire. Moses went to the hill top and nevr came back. Only knows what happened there. So where did the word "purgatory" come from ? Just like "Trinity", who manufactured the word "purgatory" ? I've combed my bible and I can't seem to find the usage of the two words. Please educate me.

beamed:

Elijah was taken away by chariot of fire. Moses went to the hill top and nevr came back. Only knows what happened there. So where did the word "purgatory" come from ? Just like "Trinity", who manufactured the word "purgatory" ? I've combed my bible and I can't seem to find the usage of the two words. Please educate me.

Beamed me sef dey ask the same question since o.......I don't have answers to those 2 words ""purgatory"" and the ""trinity"" because I don't believe in them....

But I'll tell you that elijah never went to the heavens that God resides....In his case of racing through earths
atmosphere(heaven) the fiery chariot evidently
transferred him(elijah) to another part of the
earth,where he continued living for a time.......
How do we know??.......
Years later ,in fact,ELIJAH wrote a letter to
JEHORAM ,the king of Judah the son of
JEHoshaphat after that incident.....if he had gone into heaven and
resided there that wouldn't have been
possible......
You can find that evidence in the book 2
chronicles 2:12-15............


Also Jesus supported this point by saying in the book of john 3:13..
_____________________
_John 3:13.....
New International Version (©1984)
No" one" has ever gone into "heaven" except the
one who came from" heaven"--the Son of Man.

_________________________

It is obvious from Jesus' words that enoch,elijah,moses never went to the heaven you are thinking of.......

well said my brother

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beamed:

Elijah was taken away by chariot of fire. Moses went to the hill top and nevr came back. Only knows what happened there. So where did the word "purgatory" come from ? Just like "Trinity", who manufactured the word "purgatory" ? I've combed my bible and I can't seem to find the usage of the two words. Please educate me.

Visit the last 2 pages(or pages 5,6,7) of the link below to see where trinity has been debunked again.

[url]nairaland.com/1067350/another-look-trinity[/url]

satan was dragging Moses' body with the arkangel Michael in Jude 9. I wonder what he wants to do with it.
But God buried Moses himself, Deut 34:5-6.