Sisi_Kill: Don't know why some would rather look into the butt of a chicken to come up with excuses to justify Papa's truth circumvention.

That school was built using two types of resources. ..both harnnesed from his congregation. ...

1) Members who pledged their man power. ..giving up their Saturdays and Sundays to go carry pompom, blocks and mix cement.

2) Pledges - When it comes to Oyedepo you have look deeper than the surface. When he says they didn't collect donation or use tithes and offering, he is not lying. Dude has perfected the art of circumventing the truth.

Donation implies seeking help for something and having people give towards that cause. However Oyedepo does not seek help in doing anything. ..Whaaaaa? Don't you know who he is? Yeah, that is why the money collection has to be wrapped in a way that gives the congregation the impression that being able to give is a privilege and giving is for their own good. So they use names like Covenant with God pledges or Challenging God pledge or something equally stupid.

This is why the congregation does not remember donating for the schools, the bakeries, the printing press, the pure water business, the private jets etc. In their minds, they gave to God....Some of them will even tell you that as soon they kept their part of the convent they got their reward back in one way or the other. ..never mind that they still would have gotten it without giving anything because the process for whatever they got had been in the works way before the whole giving or that event would have happened anyway.

Seriously how can someone who is working say as soon as they paid their covenant, the next day they got paid their salary or someone who applied for a job, went for an interview say they got a job after keeping up their end of the bargain with God? How does someone who's been looking to buy a car say after he paid his covenant he was able to buy one.

Pastors like Oyedepo make it seem like every single thing soooooo hard to get, every single single thing you can succeed at is sooo hard to achieve....when people do, they believe it had to be due to some supernatural forces. That's why it is easy to fool them into making pledges for money to buy the jets, build the schools, the bakeries, the pure water plants etc and still be able to stand on the pulpit to claim he didn't take any money from the congregation without fear of being called out. The saddest part is those who are being fleeced start believing God can be bought.

I'd like to see a situation where someone who isn't working, has no means of money ever coming to them, paid covenant and was immediately paid salary or someone who didn't apply for any job, did not go for any interview, did not tell anyone he is looking for job but managed to get a job. Now that would be a true sign of mutual covenant keeping....pledging so God can do what seems impossible to others for you

Until then. ...All of this is just playing green light, red light.

Reyginus: And I say I am God. So be it.

jt2010:

If this your statement "I'm aware Oyedele has oil rig which he received as gift" is correct, then i guess the pastor need to spent some time in EFCC's cell.

baby_123:

Shattap there! I say he is lying. Before he started as a pastor, point to any property or business he had that will fund such a project. I am also a woman of God, closer to God than Oyedepo. So you better fear me. Ode. "Touch not the annointed". . Maga like you. You have every reason to vex, me sef go vex after being magalized.

Table Leg :

How much did you get paid by OLE-depo to come and promote/defend him on this forum

No. I'm not defending him and I'm not against him either.

Leadn:

Rhetorical question right??

No

Sisi_Kill: Don't know why some would rather look into the butt of a chicken to come up with excuses to justify Papa's truth circumvention.

That school was built using two types of resources. ..both harnnesed from his congregation. ...

1) Members who pledged their man power. ..giving up their Saturdays and Sundays to go carry pompom, blocks and mix cement.

2) Pledges - When it comes to Oyedepo you have look deeper than the surface. When he says they didn't collect donation or use tithes and offering, he is not lying. Dude has perfected the art of circumventing the truth.

Donation implies seeking help for something and having people give towards that cause. However Oyedepo does not seek help in doing anything. ..Whaaaaa? Don't you know who he is? Yeah, that is why the money collection has to be wrapped in a way that gives the congregation the impression that being able to give is a privilege and giving is for their own good. So they use names like Covenant with God pledges or Challenging God pledge or something equally stupid.

This is why the congregation does not remember donating for the schools, the bakeries, the printing press, the pure water business, the private jets etc. In their minds, they gave to God....Some of them will even tell you that as soon they kept their part of the convent they got their reward back in one way or the other. ..never mind that they still would have gotten it without giving anything because the process for whatever they got had been in the works way before the whole giving or that event would have happened anyway.

Seriously how can someone who is working say as soon as they paid their covenant, the next day they got paid their salary or someone who applied for a job, went for an interview say they got a job after keeping up their end of the bargain with God? How does someone who's been looking to buy a car say after he paid his covenant he was able to buy one.

Pastors like Oyedepo make it seem like every single thing soooooo hard to get, every single single thing you can succeed at is sooo hard to achieve....when people do, they believe it had to be due to some supernatural forces. That's why it is easy to fool them into making pledges for money to buy the jets, build the schools, the bakeries, the pure water plants etc and still be able to stand on the pulpit to claim he didn't take any money from the congregation without fear of being called out. The saddest part is those who are being fleeced start believing God can be bought.

I'd like to see a situation where someone who isn't working, has no means of money ever coming to them, paid covenant and was immediately paid salary or someone who didn't apply for any job, did not go for any interview, did not tell anyone he is looking for job but managed to get a job. Now that would be a true sign of mutual covenant keeping....pledging so God can do what seems impossible to others for you

Until then. ...All of this is just playing green light, red light.

logica: Hahahahahaha

Ehen na, which messiah ?

Bokoharam: This is the summary of today's average Nigerian Christian:

Tell them that Jesus is a liar, is stupid, is irresponsible, they would do nothing bc Christians by conduct are not violent, and don't fight for their God. But tell them that their pastor lied, or stole, and they would fight you with every venom in their arsenal. So shameful that people are defending nonsense, fraud, criminality and wickedness exhibited by 'Men of God'.

These same pastors are the ones dragging the name of Jesus to the mud--a wonderful Jesus, who lived a modest life, never associated himself with the riches of this world, and never found frolicking with the powers that were; a man who chose to go to Jerusalem with the cheapest means of transportation in His time (a borrowed ass!); a man who never collected froml those who came to Him, but rather gave them free food. Will Jesus ever forgive the church of today?

nep2ra: Religion is an escape mechanism that helps the weak run from reality. My fellow Nigerians, please let's be honest for once in our lives. This honesty will help save future generations. We are very religious in Nigeria and most of Black Africa because of the massive failure of our past and present government to address the challenges of our country. If our government lived up to it's responsibilities as obtained in most developed countries, trust me, Nigerians will not be religious.
Most Nigerians worship God not because they love Him or because they want to attain spiritual enlightenment. They claim to worship God because of material comforts. Nigerian Christians treat God like a vending machine. Slot in #100 and receive it's equivalent in mayeri

abitex577:
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I was worship in Living Faith Church, Ota in the year 2002 after my youth service waiting for employment opportunities and remember vividly the church raising money to build Convenant University. The Special seed to be paid to the church was according to parish members ability and envelops where given on which was written "CUP" meaning Convenant University Project. Every month parish members gave for this project.[/size]

bros856: @Precious15,@emperor, Please don't misunderstand this threads. Nobody says he shouldn't be blessed with everything but what he does with it matter as a xtian. how many lives have been bless with all that members have given to him. Remember we are followers of Christ, everything Christ got from the people he was always giving it back to those in need. Two bread and Five Fishes. He didn't take them home, He is busy accomulating wealth that are not neccessary. It is more blessed to give than to receive. He should work like Missionaries who brought this Gospel that we are doing anyhow now as if we know more than them. Ask your father about Missionary schools and Hospitals above all things. Their own is advance 419. that suppass the understanding of people like you. GOD IS NOT MAN SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!!! CHILDREN OF GOD ARE LIVING WITH THE FEAR OF PASTORS NOT THE FEAR OF GOD!!

stagger: The issue with many Nigerians is that they bother themselves with irrelevant stuff. Covenant University was not built with tithes and offerings.

As at June 2009 when ASUU was trying to get the government to honour their 2001 agreement, Covenant University was paying Professors N13million per annum. I am not sure any university in Nigeria pays salaries to the degree CU pays. Not to talk of amenities, etc.

Bishop Oyedepo has many income sources he will never come out to say and he is not obliged to explain to anybody. I know a year he received so many car gifts that they were eventually auctioned to church members because they were too many.

God's blessings cannot be quantified in Naira and Kobo and certainly not by the workings and calculations of mere mortals like us.

Joagbaje:

Before this thread came out. I have said it several times that a pastor is only a steward . No real man of God will use church money to buy plane and so on. Im glad he confirm this . We commit a lot of sin by assumptions . Many Christians have a lot to be judged by God for all the lies we have peddled against ministers .

I'm aware Oyedele has oil rig which he received as gift . Apart from other doors of wealth open to him. Can we just think for a moment "what if I'm wrong " we have spread false information without fact . Those who say he use church money, where did they get the fact from. Did they investigate to know he used church money.

It is believed that among every 12 people there will be a judas or a disloyal fellow . So no matter the degree of what you refer to as blind followership , if its true that the man of God lied there will still be a disgruntled or disloyal person inside who will seize opportunity like this to destroy him by exposing him.

If the man say he didn't use church money. We should take his word for it. Any one with contrary opinion should prove it.

Lastly , saying the man of God should disclose where he got his money from doesn'take sense. He doesn't owe anybody such information. Either it's from bank or foreign partners and investors , it's not anyone's business.

Let's not forget Satan has not stopped his work as accuser of the brethren. He also labelled Jesus as a dupe .

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

bankylan: @Modicum.....This is just too shallow......
Have you wondered why your criticism has not affected the men of God. Do want to say you are more intelligent than thousands of believers that go to winners on Sundays and worship God with their substance. I am not a member of winners, but I pray God bless me more so that I can sow into the ministry. I need to tap a grace there.
Watch out, my own private jet is coming.....If I can afford one, I will buy one...if I can build a University, I will build one.

pictures: Are his followers complaining? Na wa for busy bodies . The man
has done more than the federal government . If he really built that
university within 7 months and Nigerian government cannot build our roads and provide
stable light with trillions at their disposal.This man ought to be given an award.
Personally it's not my business where he got his money from , don't muzzle the
Ox that tread the vine . Abi is that not in your bible ? Deuteronomy 25vs4

Joagbaje:

Before this thread came out. I have said it several times that a pastor is only a steward . No real man of God will use church money to buy plane and so on. Im glad he confirm this . We commit a lot of sin by assumptions . Many Christians have a lot to be judged by God for all the lies we have peddled against ministers .

I'm aware Oyedele has oil rig which he received as gift . Apart from other doors of wealth open to him. Can we just think for a moment "what if I'm wrong " we have spread false information without fact . Those who say he use church money, where did they get the fact from. Did they investigate to know he used church money.

It is believed that among every 12 people there will be a judas or a disloyal fellow . So no matter the degree of what you refer to as blind followership , if its true that the man of God lied there will still be a disgruntled or disloyal person inside who will seize opportunity like this to destroy him by exposing him.

If the man say he didn't use church money. [b]We should take his word for it[/b]. Any one with contrary opinion should prove it.

Lastly , saying the man of God should disclose where he got his money from doesn'take sense. He doesn't owe anybody such information. Either it's from bank or foreign partners and investors , it's not anyone's business.

Let's not forget Satan has not stopped his work as accuser of the brethren. He also labelled Jesus as a dupe .

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

Mr_Anony:
How do you know this for sure? Do you know exactly how much his royalty is worth?

How do you know this for sure? Do you know exactly how many businesses he has and exactly how much income he is making from them? Also this question seems to hint that he also runs illegitimate businesses on the side. How do you know?

Again, this is a very bold statement. Why are you so sure?


You have just stated a list of speculations and finally concluded with your bias which is that he is lying. I would really like you to back up your claims though as I have challenged them.

I agree, perhaps we should start with critically examining your assertions wouldn't you agree?

Cypost: Religion! Everybody don take him position nobody is ready to shift ground.
No matter what u do, some pple will support while some will be against

Me think is difficult separate the contributions (in whatever form) of church members to the success story of CU if dts was intention of the statement.
Also, building CU in seven months is doubtful in my opinion. Assuming d resources are available, how long does it take to complete a building considering u have to build several, furnish, put in place several equipment etc, this is doubtful. Presido GEJ is building the one of 9 universities he decreed and sited in his home town for more than 7mths now even with enormos power and resources available. Me think maybe he played a bit to d gallery just to massage d ego a little bit.

Whatever is the case norring really spoil He a celebrity and public figure so pple are bound to discuss his action, inaction and omissions.

penzino: Who gives anybody a right to judge anybodi talk less of a man of God? God is all knowing, leave everything to HIM to decide who is and who is not.......

Eziachi:
You should equate King Solomon to world rulers like Presidents, Kings etc not Oyedepo. He is not a king. He claimed to be a man annoited by God, just like Samuel, Jeremiah, Elijah and those apostles after Jesus like Peter, James and John. Those are the one you should be equating with Oyedepo with their life and style of life. Gullibility is a disease and it rest on the brain.
If really know your bible as t you seem to suggest, King Solomon, is hardly an exemplary character to be following, when it come to being loyal to his creator-an idol worshiper and fornicator whose actions ended up causing Israel to be divided. Some of you need serious help, but it might be too late.

Eziachi:
You should equate King Solomon to world rulers like Presidents, Kings etc not Oyedepo. He is not a king. He claimed to be a man annoited by God, just like Samuel, Jeremiah, Elijah and those apostles after Jesus like Peter, James and John. Those are the one you should be equating with Oyedepo with their life and style of life. Gullibility is a disease and it rest on the brain.
If really know your bible as t you seem to suggest, King Solomon, is hardly an exemplary character to be following, when it come to being loyal to his creator-an idol worshiper and fornicator whose actions ended up causing Israel to be divided. Some of you need serious help, but it might be too late.

lolaxavier: I don't really understand why we Nigerians have refused to open our eyes to see the truth. I don't care what anyone says but the honest truth is that these so-called pastors are milking unfortunate congregation. It is so amazing how some people will put their lives at stake to support issues that are clearly visible from the surface. You did not build that school with offering and tithe, so where did you get the money from? People pledged and donated to build that monument, true indeed. And the so-called jets too...He claims to make his own money, right, attributing all to God's blessings. Yes, fine, God blesses people but I don't want to believe God can be that selfish to let just one man gulp all that when millions are out there suffering. Let's call a spade a spade. His supporters will ask who gave the right to judge but believe, this has nothing with judgement, it has to do with calling a spade a spade. What a shame...