alj harem:

Lets compare the first 4 years of OBJ to the first four years of GEJ

1. OBJ dealt with Militancy while GEJ is still confused on what to do with BH

2. OBJ IS A LEADER, FIRM AND STRAIGHT FORWARD IN MAKING DECISIONS, WHILE Gej appears to be very confuse.

3. OBJ GSM, GEJ NOTHING

In as much as OBJ is a thief, I would still prefer OBJ to GEJ by far

thegoodjoehunt:

No one is saying Gen. Abacha is a saint. All GenBuhari is saying is that he isn't as bad as the propaganda spread by OBJ made him look. From your points above:

1. Al-Mustafa and Rogers: This is a comment by lekanolas on nairaland -

[b]The facts before court should have exonerated Al-mustapha. Almost all the principal witnesses brought forward by the Lagos State government have openly confessed that they were financially induced to implicate Al-Mustapha.

Sgt Rogers openly wept in court in 2008 and begged Al-mustapha to forgive him for lying against him (Al-Mustapha). He told the court he was financially induced to implicate his former boss.

Another star witness, Mohammed Abdul, alias Katako, who was alleged to have driven Sgt Rogers to kill Kudirat, said he was in his village on the day late Alhaja kudirat was murdered and so could not have driven Rogers to kill her.

Again, Sofolahan who was sentenced along with Al- mustapha had before the ruling challenged anybody from the Abiola's family to come forward and testify that he worked for Alhaja Kudirat. The Lagos State government had repeatedly in its proof of evidence before the court referred to Sofolahan as Alhaja Kudirat's PA and that he was the one giving Al-Mustapha information about the movements of Alhaja.

Hear Sofolahan " At least somebody should come forward for over 12 years now to say yes, Alhaja has sent you to see me as a personal assistant or somebody should have approached the DPP telling her, he/she knows that i worked with Alhaja of blessed memory"[/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/859461/al-mustapha-innocent-fani-kayode

You can read Fani Kayode's stance regarding this case here:

WHY I AM NOT CELEBRATING AL-MUSTAPHA'S CONVICTION
http://premiumtimesng.com/opinion/3618-why-i_m-not-celebrating-al-mustapha_s-conviction.html

Shocking.

2. The Swizz money: GenBuhari has already made points that seems to show that the money recovered might have been bogus. A scam used to damage Gen. Abacha's image.

3. Daniel Kalu's match in March: You can't blame Gen. Abacha for campaigning with a brilliant youth. Campaigning isn't a crime.

emmatok:

Good, you admitted Abacha is not a saint.But saying OBJ sponsored propaganda against Abacha is wrong, cos OBJ was jailed by thesame Abacha and never came out until Abacha died.

Al-Mustafa and Rojas were Abacha boys we aall know what they did to NADECO,and how Shoyinka escaped.

Daniel Kalu was a paid propagandist, his mission was to make Abacha regime look legitimate and acceptable to the world due to sanctions.

Please don't try spin history here.

I still remember that Abacha stove.

Chima_Adeoye: So funny Obasanjo likes to criticize someone else.Yet , OBJ could not stand even constructive criticism in his time. Bola Ige, Pa Rewane are all in the grave today because OBJ couldn't stand being told the truth.

GenBuhari: Abacha was one of the best visonary leaders we have ever had and contrary to Obj malicious propaganda about him, Abacha never looted.

jp philips:


did you ask yourself how long it takes to construct a power plant?? two years? one year? that jonathan has been in power??
if Obj's NIPP was a fraud, where did jonathan get the mega watts Nnaji was organising for him??

do you even know any NIPP site? pls dont always pride your block head everywhere.

obj financed and executed the NIPP in part before he left,
to prove you are not a block head, mention one power plant jonathan started and has commisioned from scratch, just one??

emmatok:

Good, you admitted Abacha is not a saint.But saying OBJ sponsored propaganda against Abacha is wrong, cos OBJ was jailed by thesame Abacha and never came out until Abacha died.

Al-Mustafa and Rojas were Abacha boys we aall know what they did to NADECO,and how Shoyinka escaped.

Daniel Kalu was a paid propagandist, his mission was to make Abacha regime look legitimate and acceptable to the world due to sanctions.

Please don't try spin history here.

I still remember that Abacha stove.

GenBuhari: Propaganda started after Abacha died it is widely suspected that he was poisoned by IBB with support with CIA for his refusal to take IMF loans. It is rumoured that IBB heard that Abach was plannning his arrest.

You mention Al-Mustapha and Rogers which implies you are accusing Abacha of murder Abiola's wife Kudirat, it would be illogical of Abacha to assassinate Kudirat after releasing her from custody just days earlier. Why would he need to assassinate her when he could have simply kept her in custody if she was making too much trouble for him? Why kill Kudirat and keep Abiola himself alive?

I believe that the same dark forces that eventually killed Abacha and Abiola were also responsible for Abiola's wife murder.

I believe that Al Mustapha may have betrayed Abacha and worked with IBB to arrange Abacha's poisoning, and for that reason, if Al-Mustapha was involved Kudirat Abiola's death, it was because he had become part of those dark forces that killed Abiola and Abacha.

Regarding NADECO (National Democratic Coalition ), I would have to just say that the fact that Abacha allowed NADECO to exist at all throuhout his reign should demonstrate he was not the tyrant or dictator he was made out to be.

Regarding Soyinka, he has spoken out about human rights but he seemed to to reserve most of his criticism for our 2 best leaders, Buhari and Abacha, whilst accepting appointments from corrupt Babangida. If he thinks Abacha was after him he should have gone and answered the charges.

thegoodjoehunt:

I don't think Al-Mustapha had a hand in Gen. Abacha's death. I remember reading an account of Major Al-Mustapha about the death of Gen. Abacha. He said one of his Soldiers woke him up telling him that there is trouble with the C in C.

Al-Mustapha came out heavily armed, suspecting maybe a coup was taken place. Then the soldier told him that it isn't that kind of trouble.

If Al-Mustapha had a hand in the plan, he would have been expecting it.

Also throughout Al-Mustapha's trial and the Oputa Panel, he always proved his loyalty to the Abacha Family. I think Al-Mustapha's problem was that he was too loyal to Gen. Abacha.

GenBuhari: @thegoodjoehunt,
Thanks for helping clarify my points about Abacha to some of those finding it difficult to understand.

Regarding Al-Mustapha's role in Abacha's death, most of what you mentioned in his defence was Al Mustapha's own version of events, he is hardly going to confess his role in Abacha's death.

My reasons for starting to suspect him was his role in effectively faciliating the hand over of power to Abdulsalami Abubakar (a relative of Babangida) in the immediate aftermath of Abacha's death. This spelt the beginning of Nigeria's spirrall back into massive corruption and decline.

To read more about my reasons for suspecting him go to my thread on the matter:

https://www.nairaland.com/986005/al-mustapha-hamzat-killed-abacha

GenBuhari: Al-Mustapha must have known that Abacha was estranged from IBB, he could have called Jeremiah Useni who was closest to Abacha i govt, but instead he invited everybody including Abdulsalami before Useni.

emmatok:

thegoodjoehunt:

Daniel Kalu was an orator and the Youth Earnestly Ask For Abacha (YEAA) was used as a medium to convince Nigerians that Gen. Abacha was the right choice. Like it or not In 1997, he finally allowed only 5 political parties to be registered. Immediately, they ALL chose him as their presidential candidate!

So he belonged to polical parties and Daniel Kalu was campaigning for him. D'Banj also campaigned for President Goodluck.

There was nothing wrong with Daniel Kalu campaigning for the General. That is just politics.

emmatok:

Since you agreed that Kalu campaigned for Abacha.
Tell us what party Abacha belong to.

emmatok:

Since you agreed that Kalu campaigned for Abacha.
Tell us what party Abacha belong to.

Gbawe: Nigerians, nothing will change if we do not begin to think critically.

The same OBJ who, whenever the chance fell in his laps, always went out of his way to support abjectly mediocre men to lead Nigeria in the form of Shagari, Yar Adua and now GEJ? How can anyone speak in support of this evil and malevolent hypocrite? Nigeria is going nowhere as long as young people don't develop the balls to 'seize the day' and tell traitors and treacherous men like OBJ, Anenih, IBB et al to go to blazes.

Where else in the world will OBJ's actions be accommodated? The man should be put in a dark dungeon permanently for supporting so many vacuous and brainless looters everywhere who have ruined Nigeria at critical stages in our development. Never has OBJ supported a performer while out of office. Not a fan of GEJ but this malevolent former President should shut up.

If I am to think of 5 individuals who have done the greatest damage to Nigeria since independence, OBJ would be very prominent in that list. He fully supported many corrupt and inept individuals, including GEJ, to gain power knowing the misrule Nigeria will suffer under those men. He should now spare us this show of hypocrisy. The egotistical and eternally vengeful man is only ever concerned about his image and looking good. Nonsense.

thegoodjoehunt:

Jeremiah Useni was clearly not trusted by Al-Mustapha. Al-Mustapha must have even suspected him for the death of Gen. Abacha. I think I read that the hoo.kers from India were brought in by Jeremiah Useni.

So there is no way Al-Mustapha would have handed over to Jeremiah Useni. He actually was seen as more greedy and power hungry than Gen. Abdulsalami.

GenBuhari: You are assuming the hook.er theory is true. however both Al Mustapha and Useni said their were no hook.ers

Again remember you are only focussing on Al Mustapha's version of events.

Don't you ponder the reason the same Abdulsalami Abubakar that Al Mustapha assisted to gain power, should jail him a few months afterwards for the murder of Kudirat Abiola that occured 2 years previously?

I think that Al Mustapha must have been bribed with promises of wealth or something to assist IBB / Abdulsalami gain power and when they had power they had no intention of fulfilling their promise to him so the locked him up in case he decided to tell all.

alj harem:

Lets compare the first 4 years of OBJ to the first four years of GEJ

1. OBJ dealt with Militancy while GEJ is still confused on what to do with BH

2. OBJ IS A LEADER, FIRM AND STRAIGHT FORWARD IN MAKING DECISIONS, WHILE Gej appears to be very confuse.

3. OBJ GSM, GEJ NOTHING

In as much as OBJ is a thief, I would still prefer OBJ to GEJ by far

Sincere 9gerian:
I cant imagine that any sane person will give OBJ credit for GSM. Can someone explain to us how OBJ created GSM? Did he invent the GSM technology? Did he run a GSM company or what? Why not we also give OBJ credit for the latest model cars that ply our roads and DSTV? Silly fools. GSM was a new telecommunication technology that simply walked into Nigeria like it did in other countries. Even if a goat was the president then, GSM will still have entered Nigeria. All the govt had to do was to issue licence and collect MONEY. Even a goat or primary one pupil can sign documents and collect money.
The ignoramus also claimed OBJ stopped Niger delta militancy? How stupid can someone be? Who then was the amnesty launched by Yar Adua and sustained by GEJ meant for? May be for ignoramuses like you?
In conclusion, your OBJ spent 8 SOLID YEARS in office. If he had been done well, GEJ would have inherited a better country. Why didn't your OBJ solve must of the problems you lament over and for which you want to CRUCIFY GEJ today, in 8yrs?
Anyway, GEJ has spent less than 2yrs in office. When he finishes his own solid 8yrs, you can compare him with OBJ.

Sincere 9gerian:
I cant imagine that any sane person will give OBJ credit for GSM. Can someone explain to us how OBJ created GSM? Did he invent the GSM technology? Did he run a GSM company or what? Why not we also give OBJ credit for the latest model cars that ply our roads and DSTV? Silly fools. GSM was a new telecommunication technology that simply walked into Nigeria like it did in other countries. Even if a goat was the president then, GSM will still have entered Nigeria. All the govt had to do was to issue licence and collect MONEY. Even a goat or primary one pupil can sign documents and collect money.
The ignoramus also claimed OBJ stopped Niger delta militancy? How stupid can someone be? Who then was the amnesty launched by Yar Adua and sustained by GEJ meant for? May be for ignoramuses like you?
In conclusion, your OBJ spent 8 SOLID YEARS in office. If he had been done well, GEJ would have inherited a better country. Why didn't your OBJ solve must of the problems you lament over and for which you want to CRUCIFY GEJ today, in 8yrs?
Anyway, GEJ has spent less than 2yrs in office. When he finishes his own solid 8yrs, you can compare him with OBJ.

thegoodjoehunt:

No one is saying Gen. Abacha is a saint. All GenBuhari is saying is that he isn't as bad as the propaganda spread by OBJ made him look. From your points above:

1. Al-Mustafa and Rogers: This is a comment by lekanolas on nairaland -

[b]The facts before court should have exonerated Al-mustapha. Almost all the principal witnesses brought forward by the Lagos State government have openly confessed that they were financially induced to implicate Al-Mustapha.

Sgt Rogers openly wept in court in 2008 and begged Al-mustapha to forgive him for lying against him (Al-Mustapha). He told the court he was financially induced to implicate his former boss.

Another star witness, Mohammed Abdul, alias Katako, who was alleged to have driven Sgt Rogers to kill Kudirat, said he was in his village on the day late Alhaja kudirat was murdered and so could not have driven Rogers to kill her.

Again, Sofolahan who was sentenced along with Al- mustapha had before the ruling challenged anybody from the Abiola's family to come forward and testify that he worked for Alhaja Kudirat. The Lagos State government had repeatedly in its proof of evidence before the court referred to Sofolahan as Alhaja Kudirat's PA and that he was the one giving Al-Mustapha information about the movements of Alhaja.

Hear Sofolahan " At least somebody should come forward for over 12 years now to say yes, Alhaja has sent you to see me as a personal assistant or somebody should have approached the DPP telling her, he/she knows that i worked with Alhaja of blessed memory"[/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/859461/al-mustapha-innocent-fani-kayode

You can read Fani Kayode's stance regarding this case here:

WHY I AM NOT CELEBRATING AL-MUSTAPHA'S CONVICTION
http://premiumtimesng.com/opinion/3618-why-i_m-not-celebrating-al-mustapha_s-conviction.html

Shocking.

2. The Swizz money: GenBuhari has already made points that seems to show that the money recovered might have been bogus. A scam used to damage Gen. Abacha's image.

3. Daniel Kalu's march in March: You can't blame Gen. Abacha for campaigning with a brilliant youth. Campaigning isn't a crime.

djustice:

You're a malnourished pig. Senseless mo ron.

GenBuhari: Well said

It is a glaring sign that Obj achieved nothing in 8years between 1999-2007 , that all his supporters can say is to try and say he gave us gsm.

Even that is not true, it was in fact Abacha who awarded the first GSM contract.