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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 6:54pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Demdem: Though I won't call it harassment, however, the harassment is because he's a person of interest. Persons of Interest are treated like that, the goal of operative is to stall collective/distributive efforts and not prevent or STOP them. Wouldn't it make sense, STOPPING them means someone is got to go? That isn't the aim, the aim is somewhat stall their efforts but it doesn't me journalist don't have to find other ways to beat the govt to its own protocols or even proceed with their work. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 6:59pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by WarriPikin1: 7:03pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
There should be a consequence for deliberately writing a mischievous story just to cause problems. I think that so called journalist should be arraigned in court and due process followed in dealing with his irresponsible behavior. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:06pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:08pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Warri _Pikin: There should be a consequence for deliberately writing a mischievous story just to cause problems. I think that so called journalist should be arraigned in court and due process followed in dealing with his irresponsible behavior. I agree completely however the journalist harrassed here isnt that rogue journalist |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:11pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
[quote author=Demdem][/quote] First of, Look, persons of interest endure harassment. It comes with the profession, if you cannot handle it, stay out of it. If you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. I'm not 100% expert on U.S. laws, though I'm not certain, and I could be wrong, under the U.S. PATRIOTIC ACT, I do know that the U.S. Govt does have the right to seize your property if they have any reason to believe that you're a person of interest.... If you think I lie, research it. Secondly, I'm not contradicting myself. You asked, why was he harassed? I said because he's a person of interest? When did people of interest become criminals? I never said he committed a crime, please go back to my first post. What I clearly stated was, publishing wrongful material that has potential to cause homeland chaos is dead WRONG and INAPPROPRIATE. Finally, I believe I have answered your question why he got such treatment. Being a person of interest doesn't mean criminal motive. There are thousands or even million of persons of interest in different fields, from medicine to engineering, to whatever. It does not mean they are criminals, it just mean that their works or knowledge, if harnessed, collected/distributed wrongfully about something can alter the balance of security. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by fistonme(m): 7:11pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: my dear all i have seen in your statement so far is mere irrationality and inferiority complex in display. Professionalism has no restriction neither does freedom of speech(because news reporting is based on truth and facts on ground as at the time of reproting). I for one viewed the article in question. I saw nothing wrong in it if it later turned out that chime is still alive because what was reported was "uncomfired" death of chime. So a learned reader would read and interprete rationally. A proof for you to know the professionalism employed in the caption for the news is this; The reporter and punch newspaper would have been entangled in various litigations for libel on the contrary by now. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by nuelkaosi(m): 7:13pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
And itz jst a matter of time bfr the truth comes out bt I seriously pray he is still alive cos he is ma gov nd a good one too. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:14pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
fistonme: Thank you. NEXT--- |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:19pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Stall someone that is constitutionally doing his duties in truth and indeed in a democratic setting wonderful Isn't that the beauty of democracy? Nonetheless, keep in mind that same Constitution does not protect you in certain events... No matter how much we try to uncover the truth, keep in mind there are exemptions to where you can exercise your right. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by taharqa: 7:20pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
fistonme:'Unconfirmed' reports indicates that your Dad and Mum just died in an unfortunate ghastly accident along the notorious East-West road. Details later..... |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:21pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:25pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: Tell me what this journalist has done either with this incidence or before now that goons decided to harass him at home. This is the crux of the matter. persons of interest to me makes no sense to a law abiding citizen |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:37pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
[quote author=Demdem][/quote] My friend, this is not for you and I to continue arguing about. Yes it is crap, cool in the game. People are NOT randomly selected because they're critical of the govt, but because of their works/knowledge about something. If you have knowledge that the govt is involved in a covert crime, apparently you will criticize them (human nature). Unfortunately, it's those who possess secret knowledge THAT ARE critical of the govt is whom we hear about. Others aren't heard because they are low profile and just do their jobs. There are hundreds of folks who fly through the airports, only for them to go through customs or even at the airline counter, and their passport flags that they need to clear homeland first. Does it mean they committed crimes, NO. My point is, it's not ONLY those who are critical of the govt BUT on the general scheme of things, it's those with knowledge. YES, the govt will do all its best to protect that information. But this journalist is not known to published wrongful news. Does he? I have explained this like 100x and you're not getting it. I have said it before, here it is again - knowledge on a subject matter plays a significant role. YES or NO, isn't it someone within the govt/hospital or someone with security clearance leak that info to him? Was he at hospital to know Chime was ill? Come on, let's use our reasoning mind. TBH, I'm about to be done with this argument. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Nobody: 7:40pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
In the book of manny4life, the true state of health of the governor of a civil service state is a matter of 'state security'. There was no secrecy when far more important people in the scheme of things - castro for instance was sick. Now we have chime giving us umoru episode 2 and u are yarning opata Seriously, your hypocrisy takes the cake. Even turai didn't stoop this low. Perhaps if she had yardua would still be sending us communiques via akunyuli to this moment 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 7:45pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:45pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
oyb: In the book of manny4life, the true state of health of the governor of a civil service state is a matter of 'state security'. There was no secrecy when far more important people in the scheme of things - castro for instance was sick. You are very funny. If you have nothing to say, please exit, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Fidel nor Chime doesn't add anything to my life, but to me, Chime is more of national symbol of importance than Fidel is because by virtue of being a Nigerian. I made this stance very clear, even used the U.S. as a prime example, YET, you have a blind eye not to see it... Anyway, I can only pride myself in my hypocrisy, after all, it's opposition like you that will accuse me of such. Eating my sweet rice and drinking my soup... |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Nobody: 7:45pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Incompetent SSS. Can they prove Chime is alive? |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 7:52pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
And does that make it right? should it be encouraged? By the way, this is the Nigerian context here and not the US picture u are trying hard to paint here. Does it make it right? That's a question for another day, perhaps the courts can help resolve that. However, IMO, it doesn't. In one of my post, I stated that I will want to know if my gov is sick or dead. Nonetheless, obtaining that information through a govt security source and then wanna claim innocence is just absurd. In addition, not only that, but also peddling wrongful lies is just inappropriate... That is my stand. Again i state, what the govt did to him is wrong. Its not right and shouldnt be encouraged and our comments shouldnt encourage the govt to restrict peeps right just because they dont want the truth out there. If he is involved in peddling lies, thats a different story entirely but not this. We have different opinions on the issue, harass and threats is common phenom amongst people. Should it be encouraged NO, however, in same vein, journalist that will go through anything, or anybody, they don't mind who they hurt just to get source, is it ethical or should it be encouraged? NO. Therefore, let's call spade a spade. If Journalist acted rightly to obtain info rather than going through govt source or leaks, then there won't be need for operatives to come at your doorstep. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by adconline(m): 8:03pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
[quote author=manny4life] Where there no several reports that Gov Chime was dead? Like seriously, are we trying to play naive to the fact that there were several reports of him dieing in India at a certain time My comment was on a broad view and not any particular person per se. I will reiterate again, publishing unconfirmed death reports about a sitting govt official is WRONG. [/quote You are the one being daft and arrogantly stupid! Can you specifically cite a Punch published article by the said journalist saying something about Chime's death? Do you not know the difference between a BB/FB rumor and newspaper publication? Are u saying that the same journalist started BB/FB rumor about Chime's death as well? |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:04pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 8:07pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
[quote author=adconline][/quote] You want me to cite reference for you? At least you're on NL, in the NL search field, type some keywords such as Chimes death, Enugu state gov/governor and so on... The search results will convince you. On that note, don't act accuse someone of being daft when you're actually being daft. Even Demdem knew when I clearly stated "in the general scheme of things"? Btw, my friend, you're so late to the party, grab popcorn and chip and join the party... |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by fistonme(m): 8:11pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
taharqa: 'Unconfirmed' reports indicates that your Dad and Mum just died in an unfortunate ghastly accident along the notorious East-West road. Details later..... yes accepted as an "unconfirmed" report. If a neighbour reads it in the daily and he happens to be sitting with my dad at the time maybe discussing the state of the nation. I guess you already know what would be his reaction(a big laugh as opposed to when he is far of). The reason being that he has confirmed and know it is to the contrary. Same thing goes when a rational reader reads a story tagged "unconfirmed". It all boils down to the fact that-i am responsible for 'what i say' and not 'what you deduce from what i say'. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 8:14pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Bottomline, its not right. This journalist isnt noted for peddling lies so its not applicable to him. We may both agree at the "bottom line", but like I insisted, how did he get his source of information? How he got his info about Chime's health status isnt the issue especially if no one is even complaining about it. the issue is was it true or not? lets try and streamline our discussion to this journalist in question and not just any random journalist. each profession has its own bad eggs. If the source isn't the issue, then why are operatives after him? Why did they confiscate his computer and phone to search and trace records? Did God come down to tell him or did he get in a vision? Yes, it's true (to the average Nigerian), but to the govt agents, don't you think they will want to deal with the snitch who leaked such details? I believe we've streamlined our conversation to this journalist in particular - YES, he did nor neither has his reports been lies. Yes I get. Like I said, you cannot eat your cake and have it back, it doesn't work. If he doesn't wanna be harassed any further, then do things the right way. If you go through backdoor and you say there's no law that prevents it, also keep in mind that when the heat is on, there's no same law that shields you. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:16pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
fistonme: I admire ur maturity. Infact, u can further take steps to charge such a journalist to court and demand for a a published apology. This is what is expected in sane societies. we will get there with time. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 8:21pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
No law mandates journalists to always source their info from govt, not even an untruthful one like ours. Operatives coming to ur doorstep while doing ur legitimate work and brandishing persons or interest theory to ur face is pure rubbish. I never said they need to source it from the govt, you're the one adding that. Ok... if you say so My point still remains, if journalist wanna obtain information, go about it the right way. Don't go about it backdoor and then claim innocence "doing legitimate work" when someone comes knocking at your door. Out of context - This was the reason why the U.S. is still contemplating on whether to indict Assanage though his a foreign national. The idea is the same, if you obtain info backdoor through a "GOVT SECURITY SOURCE" and then claim it as "legitimate", you're really joking. Keep in mind that NO LAW PROTECTS YOU if found liable for disseminating sensitive information "though accurate" to the public. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by adconline(m): 8:21pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
manny4life: You have failed to link the Journalist with any mention of Chime's death . There u go again typing without researching or reasoning. The onus is on you to substantiate your claim. Maybe you are one of the said thugs... Journalists always protect their sources.. Some exception might apply in some national security and treasonable cases and THIS CASE does not fall under any of these. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by Demdem(m): 8:27pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 8:27pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
adconline: Mr., you can either join the party or leave it. Perhaps, read Demdem questions and replies including the one he asked us to focus on the journalist at hand. I expected that you would have done that by now, but NO, you rush quickly to start insulting me. Now, for the record, like I explained to Demdem, my first comment was on a general scheme, however, after we streamlined to this particular journalist. I made it very clear, though his reports may not be lies, he wanted to know why they're after him. There's no where in my post did I say "THIS JOURNALIST WROTE DEATH NEWS ABOUT CHIME". PLEASE READ. Again, if you cannot read from pg 1, please quit typing your stuff, I will only ignore you. |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by fistonme(m): 8:28pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Quoting MANNY4LIFE-"Fidel nor Chime doesn't add anything to my life, but to me, Chime is more of national symbol of importance than Fidel is because by virtue of being a Nigerian". Do you believe all humans are equal and should be treated as such. Maybe you are a proponent of the Animal farm premise- All animal are equal but some are more equal than others. You appear to be racially cum ethnocentrically personified. Perhaps you reside in the states or in diaspora, please do youself a favour dont complain of racial profiling if treated as such. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by emmatok(m): 8:31pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
@MANNY4LIFE, A lot things are accepted in journalism, like reporting unconfirmed new, getting info from anonymous sources. What those guy did was wrong, The state can sue if they are wronged. But harassment is bad. 1 Like |
Re: SSS Detained Journalist Over Chime's Death Story by manny4life(m): 8:31pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Journalists always protect their sources.. Some exception might apply in some national security and treasonable cases and THIS CASE does not fall under any of these. Perhaps, you're part of the classification committee who classifies security matters to know what's of national security or not. Bottom line, security information is still what it is. There was a reason why it's "classified" either confidential, secret or top secret. The ONLY ONE THING I KNOW is to have access to either compartment, you must have "need to know" basis. Whether national security or not, sensitive information is what it is. |
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