Ymodulus:

Mr man that was what the pope wud tell the public this is what really happened.

WIKILEAKS RELEASED IT. AND VATICAN DENIED.

http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2010/dec/10/wikileaks-pope-turkey-eu-muslim

plappville:

@OP, did you see this? THE JW ARE NOT THE ONLY eye opened Christians...there many more outside this list. I advise you study your bible with open mind. Similar issues has been discussed recently, take a look.

This thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/plappville

Ymodulus:

mr have u seen the link to my article ? i didnt lie against the pope so pls next time i will apppreciate it if u ask me for proves before calling me a liar. thanks.

ambrosini593: . The churches mentioned above they all celebrating new year. Read the topic of this thread again. It says xmas and new year. It think you JW don't even celebrate anything. Even your own birthday, holidays etc.

Rich4god:
I think you really need to read the link you posted for full understanding or may be you understood it, but out of you hatred for RCC, you choose to be biased. As a cardinal, Ratzinger was against a muslim nation joining the EU. It was even clearly stated in the link you posted that it was his own personnal opinion. But as a pope... he has changed his stance on that issue. So plz be sure of something before you say it out and dont let your hate blind your jugdement. I really dont know what we all gain by castigating other peoples faith.

ambrosini593: . The churches mentioned above they all celebrating new year. Read the topic of this thread again. It says xmas and new year. It think you JW don't even celebrate anything. Even your own birthday, holidays etc.

gst101: i am still asking withnesses. What comes to your heart each time you read the biblical passages narrating the birth of jesus? What does the HOLY SPIRIT (if you believe and reverence him at all) tell you when you reas the story of the birth of jesus in the bible.

plappville:

Now ask yourself one question, what exactly is men tradition Jesus and his apostles warns the church to beware of? Does CHristmas (1) , New year (2) , Saints day (Halloween)(3), Easter (4), and even birthday (5) falls in these traditions we are to beware of? But if they are scriptural, this means they are Gods traditions, but if they are not, you should now do yourself good by searching the source of their origin. This may be a good beginning for you. Than thinking JW ARE ON THIER OWN ON THIS ISSUES.

Ymodulus:

mr i dont hate the catholics. the way CHUKWUDI went against the other group Was wrong.

and on the pope how sure he has? that was a conspiracy on ratzinger.
anyway lets end the talk

Ymodulus:

mr mind you am not a witness.

also pls go back and check the above group also dont clbrate new year

gst101: i am still asking withnesses. What comes to your heart each time you read the biblical passages narrating the birth of jesus? What does the HOLY SPIRIT (if you believe and reverence him at all) tell you when you reas the story of the birth of jesus in the bible.

Kevwyben: Would it not be better to back up your arguments with the scriptures and other verifiable historical sources?

I see those against the observance of the festivals have provided some(though would like to see more), I would like those in support of the celebrations to provide scriptural proof as well.The bible I believe should be the authority here not human feelings/ preferences.

Anyway that's just me saying, I prefer making decisions based on logical arguments that can be proven and I will be making my own research as well since it is a waste of energy running an errand if I have not been sent. So why celebrate if its not bible-based.
Meanwhile I'll like those who already know to educate others from the SCRIPTURES.

Rich4god:
[s]Sorry i have to add to your thread to make it easy fo me.[/s]
@1... We rejoice on this day for our saviour came into the world to redeem us. It could be any other day. Mind you that there are some orthordox churches that are in full communion with the RCC that celebrates theirs on 7th Jan(not sure if am right with the date)
@2... We give thanks to God every day/minute/hour/seconds. We dont celebrate new year, but we give thanks to God for giving us the grace to see another year. For the catholics, there is a Solemnity that we celebrate on 1st january, even the new year it at the background. But am not saying that we (catholics) dont recognise (rejoice in)the new year.
@3... We have nothing to do with Halloween. We observe all saints day, a day catholics/orthordox churches honor those who have made it to eternal by their way of life. Mind you, there is no specific person or people, its covers everyone that lead a good life.
@4.... The ressurection of our Lord.
@5... This is more of a social thing, but in christian perspective, there is nothing bad in given thanks to God for adding one year to your. Mind you, we thank God for life everyday, but on this day, if you go for thanksgiving and say God i thank you for making me a year older, i didnt see anything bad in it.

plappville:
Does the story illustrates birthday? A king was born and got gifts this was not repeated yearly. The tradition then was to present gift to Kings when visiting him. Jesus was not called infant or baby when the wise men visited him. The scripture says, the *,Child* Does this means they brought the gifts the day he was born or at his 1st birthday He got gifts because he was born King nothing like birthday. Go to the link I presented, you will see this has been treated. Birthday in the bible etc....

ambrosini593: . What is so bad about celebrating the birth of Jesus. If christmas is bible based or not, we all agreed that Jesus was born. He doesn't have to tell us to celebrate his birthday or death before we do. In as much as we celebrate it because we want to remind ourselves why he came to this world. Mind you Jesus was not born on Christmas day, christmas was coined from two words Christ and Mass. It is a way or service of remembering Jesus. I have a question for you. Since you only want to do the things in the bible alone. Where in the bible did jesus said you should buy a car, build a house, buy Tv, use the internet. These are product of man`s initiative. It is the same initiative man used setting up a day for Jesus birthday celebration. please there things and date will need to set for ourselves. Thank you

ambrosini593: . What is so bad about celebrating the birth of Jesus. If christmas is bible based or not, we all agreed that Jesus was born. He doesn't have to tell us to celebrate his birthday or death before we do. In as much as we celebrate it because we want to remind ourselves why he came to this world. Mind you Jesus was not born on Christmas day, christmas was coined from two words Christ and Mass. It is a way or service of remembering Jesus. I have a question for you. Since you only want to do the things in the bible alone. Where in the bible did jesus said you should buy a car, build a house, buy Tv, use the internet. These are product of man`s initiative. It is the same initiative man used setting up a day for Jesus birthday celebration. please there things and date will need to set for ourselves. Thank you

ambrosini593: . Please verify before you post. 7 days adventist they celebrate christmas,

church of christ they celebrate new year,

messianic they celebrate easter even latter day saints they also celebrate easter.

At least they are celebrating something. But Jehovah Witness, What do you celebrate, nothing. Even you can't celebrating your birthday because it is not in the bible. You people see other Christians as pagans.

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It is a crime for Christians to come together to say let's celebrate our king. Is it a crime for you to celebrate Jehovah for making you to see a new year.

plappville:

FOLLLOW THE LIKE FOR CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR. We will creat thread for saints day (Halloween) its something. Christian call it saint day, pagan call it Halloween. Christian call Christmas pagan is Yule. Same for Easter etc...

plappville:

Did the Church commanded this things u listed in accordance to God worshiping? Did the pope say the world should buy a car or plan to celebrate Christ NO. These are common materials/properties for man use. CHRIST DID USED THE BOAT/CANOE , HE USED MONEY, , CLOTHES. Its not thesame initiative my broda. There is enough example to follow in the bible, why adding to it? It seems you do not trully seek the truth. I have no time in repeating words. Plz visit that thread. The brethren did some good work there, I think you may find helpful.

Rich4god:
Erm... Plappville. I have one question for you, and all i need is a yes or no answer (if need be, a little and concise explanation might be accepted).
After the bible must have been conpiled, is there anyway that some of the 2nd century christians recieved revelations from God, or better still, have God stop revealing things to believers since the death of the apostles/early christian.
Remember all i need is yes/no.
Good morning.

gst101: whats pegan about xmas? Do people worship demons on these days? Is the account of the nativity of the lord not recorded in the bible

DANILSA:
how he died for our sins and how we can remember his death.

ijawkid:




Hmmmm...please read the account of Jesus' birth and answer these questions and find out if this is what the scriptures teach
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...were there xmas trees around Jesus??.........were did bobo Father xmas come from??..............

Were there exchange of gifts when Jesus was born??........did persons around engage in wild partying when Jesus was born??...........
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The record of Jesus' birth(in exception of the date) shows the commemoration of Christ birth is out of the scriptures.............all the customs attached to xmas you see today are pagan based........like said earlier Jesus,mary,John and all 1st century christians never commemorated the birthday of Christ.............xmas is nothing but a waste to christianity..........

ijawkid:


I KNOW WHERE you're heading @ my bro with this your question.......

Please don't tell me that the extra revelations if @ all any are the revelations of these pagan infested holidays and festivals.......smh!!!!!......because if that's the point you're trying to make then we will so argue hard...........xmas,easter,halloween are all pagan based................and Gods spirit would have no dealings revealing such waste to servants of God...........

And please after the apostles died revelations,prophecies et al stopped......

I thought I had quoted ephesians 2:19 $ 20 to butress this salient point......
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19 Now, therefore, you are no longer
strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens
with the saints and members of the household
of God, 20 having been built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ
Himself being the chief cornerstone,
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Our foundation is Jesus(the chief corner stone),the apostles and prophets..........any teaching,revelation and traditions found on a different foundation(traditions of men) should definitly be scrutinized and discarded...........

jawkid:
Hmmmm...please read the account of
Jesus' birth and answer these questions
and find out if this is what the
scriptures teach