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What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by therationa(m): 6:21pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
Recently, a number of threads have been raising some pertinent questions about the historical reliability of the narratives about Jesus. We have had questions that have; 1) Questioned the prophecies of his virgin birth 2) Questioned the nativity narratives 3) Challenged the narratives about his crucifixion and resurrection 4) Questioned the authenticity of the pronoucements attributed to him In this thread, I would like to ask a slightly different question, viz; What do we know (or have) about the Jesus story that have all the hallmarks of historical verifiability and authenticity? Is there anything about which there is no dispute but rather unanumous agreement as historical facts? 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Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Horus(m): 10:14pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
therationa: This short video talk about[b]:Did the people of the bible really exist? Video:[/b] http://youtube.com/watch?v=H-iew1Gq-mE |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Nobody: 11:59pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
Is it not this same Horus guy advocating for African gods and he is here following the behind of an atheist (that doesn't have a belief in God) all because he hates the christian God? Why are you deceiving yourself? |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Horus(m): 12:05am On Feb 23, 2008 |
YOU are deceiving yourself,first you are OFF TOPIC,secondly watch the video to follow the subect of the topic.Christians like you are mixing all subjects, This topic is:What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? Read first The suject of the topic and,post AFTER. |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Nobody: 12:11am On Feb 23, 2008 |
I've aready watched it Mr Horus, it was just another confused black man with the map of Africa on his shirt talking. |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Nobody: 12:13am On Feb 23, 2008 |
What are you? A deist or an atheist? |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by Horus(m): 12:23am On Feb 23, 2008 |
stillwater:What wrong with Africa?.At least the man on the video is not Off Topic,and know what he is talking but you still dont know what a hell is the subject of this tread,who is confuse? |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by huxley(m): 9:17am On May 30, 2008 |
Anything that we know for sure about Jesus? |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by MCUsman(m): 11:22am On May 30, 2008 |
huxley: YES he was neither the son of God nor was he in any way God |
Re: What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by olabowale(m): 11:23am On May 30, 2008 |
For all who are so concern about the existence of Jesus, the deniers, I mean, will a person have to drop things behind, before you believe he/she was ever at a place taht others, apart from you saw him/her? This thinking, espectially the way the Black guy on the video way putting forward his argument, is very backward. Did the Black guy on the video forgot that there was a Joseph who solved preemptively, the food scarcity and starvation that could have befell Egyptian territory of old? If he can proof to me that there was no grain/food storage facility/silo, ever built in Egypt, then I will provide another proof to the existence of the Children of Israel period in Egypt. And those of you who always claim the children of Israel is inclusive of Jacob and his forebearers, his father Isaac, and his grandfather Ibrahim, arecompletely off the mark in heritage naming. If Jacob was renamed Israel, the people who can be called Children of Israel will have to be his descendants, and not his ascendants. And by the way, I am a Mu.sli.m who is concerned only about the truth. Are there no Jews, the new name of the Children of Israel in Egypt? Are they not littered all over Northern Africa? Please people lets be really honest about inquiries. And i support the statement of MC Usman, 100%. |
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