fellis:
Why does it matter?

I am very sure that Mt Babadeen knows it does.

fellis:
Why does it matter?

I am very sure that Mr Babadeen knows why it does.

hmmmmmmmmm na wa oooooo
logicboi shay u are happy now?

maclatunji:

@Lagosshia, are you capable of reading people's hearts now for you to say Abu Sufyan's conversion to Islam is not genuine? What is it with you, your crew and ipso facto arguments.

It is very queer that you seek to elaborate on issues that the Prophet (SAW) chose to deemphasize. You cannot love Islam more than its last Prophet (SAW). Hence, I urge you to spare us some of your revisionist ideologies?

@Betathings, just ignore LagosShia and Co. sometimes to avoid derailing threads with unnecessary arguments.

Well,the one you're siding with for no truth,no justice,no reason,and no Islam has been exposed.I'm shocked you're advicing him to ignore me,and not advicing me to ignore him.is this Maclatunji "the mod" or "the user" expressing his views,or both? I contributed in this thread with the aim of clarifying doubts a non-muslim was trying to cast in the minds of Muslims.someone who I don't know what he thinks of himself wants to engage a follower of Muhammad (sa) and his Ahlul-Bayt (as) on Islam,to promote his sectarian views,which are not grounded in Islam but thread on deep historical distortions.that's for another day because I'm done with him in this thread.

My dear brother in Islam (if you're pleased I address you with that title to express my sincere advice to you) it does no one a favor not to read,and worse to conceal the facts and accuse others of a "revisionist history/ideologies".you should find out who are those who have made Abu Talib (as)-the father of Imam Ali and uncle of the Prophet (sa)- a "kafir",and have made Abu Sufya,from Usthman's clan and the father of Muawiya and grandfather of Yazeed,a "mu'meen".then discover the hidden reasons.I have not presented any revised ideology or history,but what is found written in Sunni and Shia books written centuries ago on issues that took place in Islamic history from the time of the Prophet (sa) and his Ahlul-Bayt (as) and sahaba.the problem is in those who conceal the truth like the Ahlul-Kitab, condemned by Allah in the Quran,do.

I do not seek argument or debate;not even discussing what I've said.I don't need to force what is truth on anyone.if you're interested,I can simply direct you to materials you can read,examine and verify on your own,to see what I'm saying.then if at all,you will just know who Abu Sufyan was,the man who wanted to give baya'ah to Imam Ali (as) against Abu Bakr to instigate a bloodshed of muslims over the caliphate,to weaken and destroy,and eventually eliminate Islam from within (the wish the hypocrites held),something Imam Ali (as) saw and refrained from doing to retake (by force) what was rightfully his bestowed by Allah and the Prophet (sa),in the interest of Islam.however today,we as Shia still do have the interest of Islam as Imam Ali (as) did.but that doesn't mean we shouldn't read,talk or preach-something others prefer not to,and to conceal the truth,and shed Shia blood from Pakistan to Iraq and elsewhere.

Salam.

fellis:
Why does it matter?

BTW. These are addressed to Mr Babadeen

maclatunji:

I have my eyes on you. #Iknow

Paschal007: : Abdulsleek you no dey tire? Lol

Clap for yourself, Betathings!

Babadeen:

Clap for yourself, Betathings!

Thanks. I have done so. BTW is it beta, and not bitter?
But seriously, be true to yourself. You don't need these underhand tactics

BetaThings:

Thanks. I have done so
But seriously, be true to yourself. You don't need these underhand tactics

For once, you responded well to a joke.

Babadeen:


For once, you responded well to a joke.

Oh, I do joke and enjoy jokes. But there are some things I am not allowed to joke about.

BetaThings:

Oh, I do joke and enjoy jokes. But there are some things I am not allowed to joke about.

Since we are on our good sides today, please answer this question;

Looking at this thread, how can you have faith in islam, when I, an atheist, can cause so much disruption between muslims- pro-wife beating vs non-wife beating; shia vs sunni etc.?

You could try to do this to atheists by starting up a thread about an ex-atheist leaving for islam but the replies you will get might be from different perspectives never contradictory.

Babadeen:

Since we are on our good sides today, please answer this question;

Looking at this thread, how can you have faith in islam, when I, an atheist, can cause so much disruption between muslims- pro-wife beating vs non-wife beating; shia vs sunni etc.?

You could try to do this to atheists by starting up a thread about an ex-atheist leaving for islam but the replies you will get might be from different perspectives never contradictory.

He who is down fears no fall.

maclatunji:

He who is down fears no fall.

Abeg, Pete Edochie is an igbo christian man.

maclatunji:

He who is down fears no fall.

Hahahahahaha

Babadeen:

Since we are on our good sides today, please answer this question;

Looking at this thread, how can you have faith in islam, when I, an atheist, can cause so much disruption between muslims- pro-wife beating vs non-wife beating; shia vs sunni etc.?

You could try to do this to atheists by starting up a thread about an ex-atheist leaving for islam but the replies you will get might be from different perspectives never contradictory.

The fundamentals unite us. For instance on wife-beating, there are at least two highly revered scholars who never got married. And since many bachelors/spinsters "teach" the subject of marriage on the net, I don't dabble into it because positions are often unrealistic

BetaThings:

The fundamentals unite us. For instance on wife-beating, there are at least two highly revered scholars who never got married. And since many bachelors/spinsters "teach" the subject of marriage on the net, I don't dabble into it because positions are often unrealistic

lol.....and your married clerics on youtube that preach wife beatings vs the ones that preach against it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ


The fights between Sunni and shia.


You are not united


I give up. This denial is the hallmark of the Nairaland faithful. Even as diverse as atheists are on opinions/principle, we are as no were a fragmented as divided as you lot.


I give up. Even the division on this thread is for all to see.


I like how Maclatunji uses the phrase "he that is down"


Unfortunately, he doesnt realise the one that is truly down and living in an eternal denial

Babadeen:
You are not united
I give up. This denial is the hallmark of the Nairaland faithful. Even as diverse as atheists are on opinions/principle, we are as no were a fragmented as divided as you lot.
I give up. Even the division on this thread is for all to see.

We are not united. I agree.
Thank you for giving up. Peace at last!

BetaThings:

We are not united. I agree.
Thank you for giving up. Peace at last!

Which peace? You that came to this thread to fight Lagoshia and his Shia doctrine.

The part that even pissed me off was where maclatunji told you to ignore Lagoshia as if you contributed anything to this thread. At least Lagoshia was here trying to explain wife beating and other issues before you came.


SMH.......I'll leave you to your "peaceful" attacks on the shia and the "moderating" moderate Mod

Babadeen:
Which peace? You that came to this thread to fight Lagoshia and his Shia doctrine.

The part that even pissed me off was where maclatunji told you to ignore Lagoshia as if you contributed anything to this thread. At least Lagoshia was here trying to explain wife beating and other issues before you came.


SMH.......I'll leave you to your "peaceful" attacks on the shia and the "moderating" moderate Mod

Thanks for your understanding. I am sorry that I did not further your agenda on this thread. Maybe on another thread, I will allow you to lead me by the nose

BetaThings:

Thanks for your understanding. I am sorry that I did not further your agenda on this thread. Maybe on another thread, I will allow you to lead me by the nose

Agenda? Lol.....If I truly had an agenda dont you think it has worked already?

Babadeen:


Agenda? Lol.....If I truly had an agenda dont you think it has worked already?

As you wish

BetaThings:

As you wish

Dont worry, I know you peeps are afraid of the ominous presence towards religion that atheists represent.

Ever since the Abdulsaleek incident, muslims like you have been checking profiles of all kaffir posters to look for an agenda. There was even one Abdul (a real muslim) that innocently came for help and people were calling him Abdulsleek.


If my agenda was to cause disharmony on Nairaland muslim section, I must have succeeded.


Unfortunately, I am not a bigot and that is not my agenda. My presence here is simple; I want people to think hard about their religion. I'm an open book, I dont lie about my views about islam or religion. I praise islam where it is due (eg Zakat, Ramadan food and its early contribution to science in the golden age) and I criticise islam.


Check all my posts and they are consistent- my views on islam and wife beating, slavery, marriage to non muslims, freedom of speech etc.

Not even Tbaba can argue that he has been consistent on this forum. I know, I debunked him long ago.



However, I do wonder if some muslims here really believe that I'm Shaytan or a Jinn is controlling me to do these things- you never know, anything is possible when one has faith.

BetaThings:
BTW. These are addressed to Mr Babadeen

What? Logicboy is Babadeen? From Abdulsleek to Saluman to Babadeen? How does he even come up with these names?
Lol. This Logicboy you be real madman

Babadeen:
Dont worry, I know you peeps are afraid of the ominous presence towards religion that atheists represent.

Ever since the Abdulsaleek incident, muslims like you have been checking profiles of all kaffir posters to look for an agenda. There was even one Abdul (a real muslim) that innocently came for help and people were calling him Abdulsleek.
If my agenda was to cause disharmony on Nairaland muslim section, I must have succeeded.


Unfortunately, I am not a bigot and that is not my agenda. My presence here is simple; I want people to think hard about their religion. I'm an open book, I dont lie about my views about islam or religion. I praise islam where it is due (eg Zakat, Ramadan food and its early contribution to science in the golden age) and I criticise islam.
Check all my posts and they are consistent- my views on islam and wife beating, slavery, marriage to non muslims, freedom of speech etc.
Not even Tbaba can argue that he has been consistent on this forum. I know, I debunked him long ago.
However, I do wonder if some muslims here really believe that I'm Shaytan or a Jinn is controlling me to do these things- you never know, anything is possible when one has faith.

I think about my religion - how to know more, be better at the mandatory, interact better with family, muslims, friends, and society at large
But I have no regard for the thinking abilities of atheists. They have missed the basics. (Let us not waste time debating it - that decision is set in stone, although name-calling and abuses will be gladly received). So your wanting me to think about anything actually smacks of excessive indulgence in self adulation

fellis:

What? Logicboy is Babadeen? From Abdulsleek to Saluman to Babadeen? How does he even come up with these names?
Lol. This Logicboy you be real madman

Omg......lmao......I didnt even think about that.......so funny.


The names are all mixtures of how I feel and islamic names.

Tbaba + Deen = Babadeen

Abdul + Sleeky = Abdulsleek

Suleiman = Saluman

BetaThings:

I think about my religion - how to know more, be better at the mandatory, interact better with family, muslims, friends, and society at large
But I have no regard for the thinking abilities of atheists. They have missed the basics. (Let us not waste time debating it - that decision is set in stone, although name-calling and abuses will be gladly received). So your wanting me to think about anything actually smacks of excessive indulgence in self adulation

lol......I'm waiting for Justaqad to come and handle you.

Babadeen:
Omg......lmao......I didnt even think about that.......so funny.
The names are all mixtures of how I feel and islamic names.
Tbaba + Deen = Babadeen
Abdul + Sleeky = Abdulsleek
Suleiman = Saluman

This boy you no well at all

Anyway always announce that you are the same person as Logicboy whenever you come up with a new username so as to avoid looking like a deceitful pretender because once people start seeing you as deceitful they stop taking you seriously.

BetaThings:

I think about my religion - how to know more, be better at the mandatory, interact better with family, muslims, friends, and society at large
But I have no regard for the thinking abilities of atheists. They have missed the basics. (Let us not waste time debating it - that decision is set in stone, although name-calling and abuses will be gladly received). So your wanting me to think about anything actually smacks of excessive indulgence in self adulation

Don't mind him.

He is just doing all this because he is addicted to arguing and debating.

fellis:

Don't mind him.


He is just doing all this because he is addicted to arguing and debating.

Why not go to Sports, Jokes, celebrities etc sections?
He actually has a thing about Islam. The guy would be in the hospital without being able to bash Islam
It actually keeps him alive and functioning.

I hardly laugh at the islam section.


Thanks for the laughs and psychoanalysis, Felis and Betathings.

BetaThings:

Why not go to Sports, Jokes, celebrities etc sections?
He actually has a thing about Islam. The guy would be in the hospital without being able to bash Islam
It actually keeps him alive and functioning.

LWKMD

You really know how addictions are.
Withdrawing is very difficult for the sufferer, it feels as if they are going to die if they stop doing what they are addicted to doing.

Babadeen: I hardly laugh at the islam section.
Thanks for the laughs and psychoanalysis, Felis and Betathings.

You're welcome.

fellis:

LWKMD

You really know how addictions are.
Withdrawing is very difficult for the sufferer, it feels as if they are going to die if they stop doing what they are addicted to doing.

You must really enjoy feeling better than others and judging them.