thelastPope:

The bible right from the old testament was very explicit on bowing down to graven images. It is not negotiable. It is an abomination. God specificaly warned the Jews not to use any form of physical image to represent him. Any image used as a representation of God is an idol. God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship him in spirit and in truth John 4.

Mary is not mother of God. He was mother of the man Jesus Christ on earth. There is nothing like mother of God in heaven. That is why Jesus refered to her as woman on the cross. the term mother of God is from the babylonian worship of nimrod and Semiramis also refered to as Baal and Ashteroth. Nimrod married his mother semiramis and proclaimed himself God. Semiramis proclaimed herself queen of heaven and mother of God. A title she was always refered to throughout history. The name changed as kingdoms overthrew kingdoms but the concept didn't change. During the roman empire's transformation to christianity, they introduced the same thing and Jesus became nimrod and Mary became semiramis. That is why they always use pictures of baby Jesus being cuddled by his mother mary. Jesus is not a little kid any more. He is king of kings and Lord of Lords.

Peter was never the bishop of rome. Peter never visited rome. Peter never preached to the gentiles. He was an apostle to the jews. Paul had to rebuke him once because he refused to eat with the gentiles. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles and was the one that took the gospel to rome and establish it there. Peter was the head of the believers in Jerusalem, not rome. So he could never have been the bishop of rome or the first pope.

This is not a critisicm. It is simply putting the records straight.

Thank you bro for educating them. God's explicit words of no graven images is so clear. Disobidience in that regard spells nothing but spiritual condemnation even it was meant to glorify or please Christ or Jehova himself.

I'm even more puzzled by the fact that even the catholic or any other church for that matter can't prove what Jesus or Mary actually looked like with all these images. They just mold a human with a meek-looking appearance and start bowing to such as a mark of respect. Good intention I must say but it's still idolatry because those things are made of mere mortals. Relationship with God through Jesus is spiritually based. All these images, symbolism like crucifix, rosary etc to me are off no importance to attaining spiritual righteousness.

Mary was a normal human like every other mothers out there. Her chasteness and the need for Christ to come in that era and in human form neccessitated her being chosen. This doesn't mean there are no women as pure as she was in this present day. If the first-coming of Christ was meant to be in this century for instance, another Mary would have been chosen to serve as a pathway.

And in re-enforcing what someone said earlier, the only church is the body of Christ which all born-again christians are parts of. Ain't nuffin like a mother church just as there's nothing like a mother-heaven or mini-hell.

chibaba1m: As they re coming together I pray God shud give dem wisdom n strenght and remove gay spirit among dem IJN

who told you they have gay spirit among them?
And for your information the catholic church is in the master front critising alot of vices like abortion, gay marriage, use of contraceptives and the rest. If they should follow the world and accept gay marriage i wonder who will be able to stop America.

Nctrice:
My brother leave them and their myopic minds, its a simple question you should ask them! Which is! The Catholic church takes care of the sick, the wounded, the homeless, and the less privilege, what does their church do?

They do nothing other than talking and extorting the poor.

metti:

Mr Blocker write in a matured way. I don't have hatred for it nither for your church, you can explain yourself without using such word even if I will not belive it.
Mind you God is not the father,son and Holy Sprit. There is no such thing called Trinity or have you seen that word in the Bible?
If u want further explanation I will give you.

If you are looking for trinity,christmas, easter Reverend or even 25th December then you will be missing the mark because we Catholics are guided by the traditions as handed by the Apostles the bible (compiled 300 years after the death of Christ)only confirms what the Church teaches. If you say there is no Trinity because it wasn't found in the bible then you would equally wonder why Jesus did not hold a bible when preaching or from the bible (which you say is your only authority)proove that Jesus wrote a page or book while on earth or proove that Jesus said we can learn all his teachings in a single book (written by different men, written in more than 6 languages by men who lived hundreds of years apart such as Moses and Paul) bound by many chapters 300 years after the death of Christ(compiled by the Roman Catholic Church). For the records even historians studying the world's religions (including protestants)will tell you in over 2000 years the teachings of the Catholic Church has not changed.Trinity may not be written in the bible but Catholics are not alone in this belief (see the Apostles creed prayer also said by Anglicans, Methodists and Presbyterians). The belief in the holy written is based on faith not literal written proof because it is a mystery.

As long as the word bible is not in the bible, people asking if it is in the bible have no basis.
I hope we are logical people here, how is it possible that God would let an institution that mis -interprets or mislead his people exist fior 2000 years, growing stronger and stronger by the decades. After all we have seen so many fake pastors and prophets come and go but the Church remains.
On Pentecost day there were like 3200 Christians give or take, as the numbers began to grow there became need for there to be a governing structure on ground so as not time overload the apostles, this resulted in deacons. What am trying to point out is that the church was growing and as a result of growth there had to be changes in structure. So definitely 2000 years later the Church hierarchy may bear little resemblance to the first Christians.
Please like OP said, let us not derail the topic please, rather fellow Catholics in the house let us say a decade of the rosary everyday for the intentions of the Church, that God will raise up a leader for us. Our Faith is Our Pride.

idnoble135:
Mary n nt Jesus? Smh.

YES. Mary not Jesus. Keep on shaking ur sorry head till it falls off.

Richieboyn:

YES. Mary not Jesus. Keep on shaking ur sorry head till it falls off.

Pity all of u!!!

thelastPope:

I will leave you to enjoy your thread, not because of your empty threats since this is a public forum, but so you can enjoy your euphoria. lol. Just try and read your bible to find out the truth for yourself, not something you are told.

and you idea of truth is that emperor nero was the first pope?? So that is how u establish ur "truths" without proof?? The bible never said nero was a pope and no history book written by any respectable historian has ever made that claim yet u bring such lies out of tin air and expected me to lie down before ur unsubstantiated ideas lacking even a thread of evidence. I refuse to be stupid.

blocker: If you are looking for trinity,christmas, easter Reverend or even 25th December then you will be missing the mark because we Catholics are guided by the traditions as handed by the Apostles the bible (compiled 300 years after the death of Christ)only confirms what the Church teaches. If you say there is no Trinity because it wasn't found in the bible then you would equally wonder why Jesus did not hold a bible when preaching or from the bible (which you say is your only authority)proove that Jesus wrote a page or book while on earth or proove that Jesus said we can learn all his teachings in a single book (written by different men, written in more than 6 languages by men who lived hundreds of years apart such as Moses and Paul) bound by many chapters 300 years after the death of Christ(compiled by the Roman Catholic Church). For the records even historians studying the world's religions (including protestants)will tell you in over 2000 years the teachings of the Catholic Church has not changed.Trinity may not be written in the bible but Catholics are not alone in this belief (see the Apostles creed prayer also said by Anglicans, Methodists and Presbyterians). The belief in the holy written is based on faith not literal written proof because it is a mystery.

Does that mean the teaching of trinity is right because Catholics are not alone in it??

Vado:


Thank you bro for educating them. God's explicit words of no graven images is so clear. Disobidience in that regard spells nothing but spiritual condemnation even it was meant to glorify or please Christ or Jehova himself.

I'm even more puzzled by the fact that even the catholic or any other church for that matter can't prove what Jesus or Mary actually looked like with all these images. They just mold a human with a meek-looking appearance and start bowing to such as a mark of respect. Good intention I must say but it's still idolatry because those things are made of mere mortals. Relationship with God through Jesus is spiritually based. All these images, symbolism like crucifix, rosary etc to me are off no importance to attaining spiritual righteousness.

Mary was a normal human like every other mothers out there. Her chasteness and the need for Christ to come in that era and in human form neccessitated her being chosen. This doesn't mean there are no women as pure as she was in this present day. If the first-coming of Christ was meant to be in this century for instance, another Mary would have been chosen to serve as a pathway.

And in re-enforcing what someone said earlier, the only church is the body of Christ which all born-again christians are parts of. Ain't nuffin like a mother church just as there's nothing like a mother-heaven or mini-hell.

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My brother you should know that the bible you people are using to criticise the catholic church was put together by the church years ago and the church would have being able to remove any part that was against or contrary to its teachings but they didn't.
Its obvious you lack a good understanding of the immaculate conception. For your information Mary was conceived without sin. She was specially prepared to bring the Son of God into the world. If mary was with sin Jesus could have inherited that sin from her but because He was God He couldn't have being with a sin. Why do you think that Jesus had to come without sexual intercouse have you ever thought of that? Have you ever heard of the Magnificat? (luke 1:46-56). You should read it and if you don't understand get someone who knows the scriptures to explain for you.
And for your information Peter was in Rome as a matter of fact he was matyred in Rome on the 29th of June the same date with Paul but on different years.

Keneking:

I think the new Pope shall be Pope John Paul III

lets wait and see.

metti:

Does that mean the teaching of trinity is right because Catholics are not alone in it??

No it is right because the scriptures and the church fathers who gave us the bible taught it.

Okay. Listen up for d critics of d catholic church. As u all want proofs, I'll give them to you.

WHO SAYS PRAYING TO MARY IS NOT BIBLICALLY BASED?
They must be reading comic books for Bibles.........
HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH YOU
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
BLESSED ART THOU AMONGST WOMAN
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, andElizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."
BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB JESUS
Luke 1:42b "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD
Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH AMEN
Luke 2:35 "...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you."
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it. He does. We turn to Mary to ask herto intercede with her Son in our daily spiritual and material needs, but especially atthe hour of our death. At that moment our salvation hangs in the balance as the devil makes his final foray to deter us from the path to God (Rev. 2:10). It is not surprising, therefore, that both the Hail Mary and the Our Father conclude with an appeal to be delivered from the evil one.
So next time someone asks you why you prayto Mary ask them why dont they pray to Mary?
PRAYING TO THE SAINTS
The historic Christian practice of asking our departed brothers and sisters in Christ—the saints—for their intercession has come under attack in the last few hundred years. Though the practice dates to the earliest days of Christianity and is shared by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the other Eastern Christians, and even some Anglicans—meani ­ng that all-told it is shared by more than three quarters of the Christians on earth—it still comes under heavy attack frommany within the Protestant movement that started in the sixteenth century.
CAN THEY HEAR US?
One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However, this is not true. As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.
Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heavencan hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!
In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.
One Mediator
Another charge commonly levelled against asking the saints for their intercession is thatthis violates the sole mediatorship of Christ, which Paul discusses: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5).
But asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator. First, Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because he is the only person who is both God and man. He is the only bridge between the two, the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us. Furthermore, Christ is a unique mediator between God andman because he is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15, 12:24), just as Moses was the mediator (Greek mesitas) of the Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19–20).
The intercession of fellow Christians—whic ­his what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator.
"No Contact with the dead"
Sometimes Fundamentalists ­ object to asking our fellow Christians in heaven to prayfor us by declaring that God has forbidden contact with the dead in passages such as Deuteronomy 18:10–11. In fact, he has not, because he at times has given it—for example, when he had Moses and Elijah appear with Christ to the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration ­ (Matt. 17:3). What God has forbidden is necromantic practice of conjuring up spirits. "There shall not be found among you any one who burns his sonor his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. . . . For these nations, which you are about to dispossess, give heed to soothsayers and to diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you so to do. The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren—him you shall heed" (Deut. 18:10–15).
God thus indicates that one is not to conjure the dead for purposes of gaining information; one is to look to God’s prophetsinstead. Thus one is not to hold a seance. Butanyone with an ounce of common sense can discern the vast qualitative difference between holding a seance to have the dead speak through you and a son humbly saying at his mother’s grave, "Mom, please pray to Jesus for me; I’m having a real problem right now." The difference between the two is the difference between night and day. One is an occult practice bent on getting secret information; the other is a humble request for a loved one to pray to God on one’s behalf.
Overlooking the Obvious
Some objections to the concept of prayer to the saints betray restricted notions of heaven. One comes from anti-Catholic Loraine Boettner:
"How, then, can a human being such as Mary hear the prayers of millions of Roman Catholics, in many different countries, praying in many different languages, all at the same time?
"Let any priest or layman try to converse with only three people at the same time and see how impossible that is for a human being. . . . The objections against prayers to Mary apply equally against prayers to the saints. For they too are only creatures, infinitely less than God, able to be at only one place at a time and to do only one thing at a time.
"How, then, can they listen to and answer thousands upon thousands of petitions made simultaneously in many different landsand in many different languages? Many such petitions are expressed, not orally, but only mentally, silently. How can Mary and the saints, without being like God, be present everywhere and know the secrets of all hearts?" (Roman Catholicism, 142-143).
If being in heaven were like being in the nextroom, then of course these objections wouldbe valid. A mortal, unglorified person in the next room would indeed suffer the restrictions imposed by the way space and time work in our universe. But the saints are not in the next room, and they are not subject to the time/space limitations of this life.
This does not imply that the saints in heaven therefore must be omniscient, as God is, for it is only through God’s willing it that they can communicate with others in heaven or with us. And Boettner’s argument about petitions arriving in different languages is even further off the mark. Does anyone reallythink that in heaven the saints are restricted to the King’s English? After all, it is God himself who gives the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. Surely those saints in Revelation understand the prayers they are shown to be offering to God.
The problem here is one of what might be called a primitive or even childish view of heaven. It is certainly not one on which enough intellectual rigor has been exercised.A good introduction to the real implications of the afterlife may be found in Frank Sheed’sbook Theology and Sanity, which argues thatsanity depends on an accurate appreciation of reality, and that includes an accurate appreciation of what heaven is really like. And once that is known, the place of prayer to the saints follows.
"Directly to Jesus"
Some may grant that the previous objectionsto asking the saints for their intercession do not work and may even grant that the practice is permissible in theory, yet they may question it on other grounds, asking why one would want to ask the saints to pray for one. "Why not pray directly to Jesus?" they ask.
The answer is: "Of course one should pray directly to Jesus!" But that does not mean it is not also a good thing to ask others to prayfor one as well. Ultimately, the"go-directly-to ­-Jesus" objection boomerangs back on the one who makes it: Why should we ask any Christian, in heaven or on earth, to pray for us when we can ask Jesus directly? If the mere fact that we can go straight to Jesus proved that we should ask no Christian in heaven to pray for us thenit would also prove that we should ask no Christian on earth to pray for us.
Praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As we saw, in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul strongly encouraged Christians to intercede for many different things, and that passage is by no means unique in his writings. Elsewhere Paul directly asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11). Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so(Matt. 5:44).
Since the practice of asking others to pray forus is so highly recommended in Scripture, it cannot be regarded as superfluous on the grounds that one can go directly to Jesus. The New Testament would not recommend it if there were not benefits coming from it. One such benefit is that the faith and devotion of the saints can support our own weaknesses and supply what is lacking in our own faith and devotion. Jesus regularly supplied for one person based on another person’s faith (e.g., Matt. 8:13, 15:28, 17:15–18, Mark 9:17–29, Luke 8:49–55). And it goes without saying that those in heaven, being free of the body and the distractions ofthis life, have even greater confidence and devotion to God than anyone on earth.
Also, God answers in particular the prayers ofthe righteous. James declares: "The prayer ofa righteous man has great power in its effects. Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth its fruit" (Jas. 5:16–18). Yet those Christians in heaven are more righteous, since they have been made perfect to stand in God’s presence (Heb. 12:22-23), than anyone on earth, meaning their prayers would be even more efficacious.
Having others praying for us thus is a good thing, not something to be despised or set aside. Of course, we should pray directly to Christ with every pressing need we have (cf. John 14:13–14). That’s something the Catholic Church strongly encourages. In fact, the prayers of the Mass, the central act of Catholic worship, are directed to God and Jesus, not the saints. But this does not mean that we should not also ask our fellow Christians, including those in heaven, to pray with us.
In addition to our prayers directly to God andJesus (which are absolutely essential to the Christian life), there are abundant reasons to ask our fellow Christians in heaven to pray for us. The Bible indicates that they are aware of our prayers, that they intercede for us, and that their prayers are effective (else they would not be offered). It is only narrow-mindedne ­ss that suggests we should refrainfrom asking our fellow Christians in heaven to do what we already know them to be anxious and capable of doing.
In Heaven and On Earth
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus inPsalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him,all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; andthe smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).
And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:. The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Any other questions? Bring it on! Criticise from now till tomorrow. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL FOREVER REIGN.

metti:

Pity all of u!!!

I can see u are jobless. Keep pitying.

thelastPope:

You mean a list from the roman catholic? Is the list from the bible? Was there any such reference from the bible? Were christians ever leaders in society or people hunted because of their beliefs?

The dark ages ended with the renaisance which was heavily triggered by martin luther's translation of portions of the bible to the german language. That isn't myth. It is fact. It was a crime to read the scriptures during those dark ages of history. It was a sin against the roman catholic institution to print the bible. King james printed the bible in total defiance to the roman catholic with the help of the puritans. These are historical facts you can't fault no matter how much you try. Martin luther was dealt with for writing his 99 thesis and standing against rome which caused a big riot in germany that spread accross Europe. That was the begining of the renaisance. Christians were murdered and hunted for centuries by rome. The spanish inquisition and many other crusades litter history. You want me to go on?

I am not necessarily against you practising your roman catholic religion but you equate it to the same thing handed over by the Lord Jesus when it is not. Most of what you practise is direct opposite of scriptures. But you are free to do your thing.

The bible itself and its creation by the catholic church of the fourth century has no biblical basis.The bible did not exist for the first 300 yrs of xtianity.

The writings of the church fathers who created the bible are as valid as any other authentic historical document

Vado:
Thank you bro for educating them. God's explicit words of no graven images is so clear. Disobidience in that regard spells nothing but spiritual condemnation even it was meant to glorify or please Christ or Jehova himself.

I'm even more puzzled by the fact that even the catholic or any other church for that matter can't prove what Jesus or Mary actually looked like with all these images. They just mold a human with a meek-looking appearance and start bowing to such as a mark of respect. Good intention I must say but it's still idolatry because those things are made of mere mortals. Relationship with God through Jesus is spiritually based. All these images, symbolism like crucifix, rosary etc to me are off no importance to attaining spiritual righteousness.

Mary was a normal human like every other mothers out there. Her chasteness and the need for Christ to come in that era and in human form neccessitated her being chosen. This doesn't mean there are no women as pure as she was in this present day. If the first-coming of Christ was meant to be in this century for instance, another Mary would have been chosen to serve as a pathway.

And in re-enforcing what someone said earlier, the only church is the body of Christ which all born-again christians are parts of. Ain't nuffin like a mother church just as there's nothing like a mother-heaven or mini-hell.

if you read the previous page you will notice that i clearly stated that this thread doesn't concern mary or idolatry. Pleas do not derail the thread, it concerns pope and conclave anything outside that, make ur own thread.

Richieboyn:

R u trying to say Mary is not alive? Ehya sorry oo..... Itz a pity u don't have sense @all. D pastors u run to are human beings. My blessed Virgin mother is now a heavenly being, no more flesh and blood.

pls do not derail the thread, leave d mary topic for another thread.

I wish His Eminence Anthony Olubunmi Okogie. Cardinal-Archbishop Emeritus of Lagos Archdiocese all the best.
He never forgets me since he confirmed me in 1974 at the Catholic church of the Assumption, Falomo, Ikoyi. And we are jolly good old boys of the great St. Gregory's College.
Any of the Cardinals can become the new Pope as the Almighty God wills it.

blocker: If you are looking for trinity,christmas, easter Reverend or even 25th December then you will be missing the mark because we Catholics are guided by the traditions as handed by the Apostles the bible (compiled 300 years after the death of Christ)only confirms what the Church teaches. If you say there is no Trinity because it wasn't found in the bible then you would equally wonder why Jesus did not hold a bible when preaching or from the bible (which you say is your only authority)proove that Jesus wrote a page or book while on earth or proove that Jesus said we can learn all his teachings in a single book (written by different men, written in more than 6 languages by men who lived hundreds of years apart such as Moses and Paul) bound by many chapters 300 years after the death of Christ(compiled by the Roman Catholic Church). For the records even historians studying the world's religions (including protestants)will tell you in over 2000 years the teachings of the Catholic Church has not changed.Trinity may not be written in the bible but Catholics are not alone in this belief (see the Apostles creed prayer also said by Anglicans, Methodists and Presbyterians). The belief in the holy written is based on faith not literal written proof because it is a mystery.

leave dis arguement for another day, it isnt for this thread.

metti:
Look at you, why won't you prohibit it? The question has thrown you off balance. Indeed, in God there is no dead. Your Bible knowledge must be very poor please up grade it!!!!

thankGOD u agree that in God there is no dead, mary thus isnt dead. If u wish to weigh my bible knowledge i suggest u open a thread on the topic i'll be happy to oblige.

metti:

Does that mean the teaching of trinity is right because Catholics are not alone in it??

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Although it is a mystery, The teaching of the trinity is right. Jesus while on earth always made references to His father in heaven and called himself the son of God. He even promised the Holy spirit and there is a place in the scriptures which i can't remember the exact place now(i think when He performed a miracle and the people claimed he was using satan's power)where Jesus made it known that the sin against the Holy spirit cannot be forgiven and the sin against the Holy spirit is attributing the work of God to the devil.

Vado:


Thank you bro for educating them. God's explicit words of no graven images is so clear. Disobidience in that regard spells nothing but spiritual condemnation even it was meant to glorify or please Christ or Jehova himself.

I'm even more puzzled by the fact that even the catholic or any other church for that matter can't prove what Jesus or Mary actually looked like with all these images. They just mold a human with a meek-looking appearance and start bowing to such as a mark of respect. Good intention I must say but it's still idolatry because those things are made of mere mortals. Relationship with God through Jesus is spiritually based. All these images, symbolism like crucifix, rosary etc to me are off no importance to attaining spiritual righteousness.

Mary was a normal human like every other mothers out there. Her chasteness and the need for Christ to come in that era and in human form neccessitated her being chosen. This doesn't mean there are no women as pure as she was in this present day. If the first-coming of Christ was meant to be in this century for instance, another Mary would have been chosen to serve as a pathway.

And in re-enforcing what someone said earlier, the only church is the body of Christ which all born-again christians are parts of. Ain't nuffin like a mother church just as there's nothing like a mother-heaven or mini-hell.

The ark of covenant, was it not a graven image. Or did d children of israel not bow down to it?