jamst:
oh! where were u in 2006 wen ur israheli were crying lik baby 4 cease fire wen hizbullah trash den for 33dayz.oh! u just came 2 earth now! 4rm pluto

You are obviously parroting the nonsensical Propaganda your Brothers in Al Jazeerah have feeding you. since its Creation in 1948,Israel has fought 7 major wars,of those,it won 6,the last one,the one you mentioned was "Inconclusive"...according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel but even assuming they lost,WTF are you saying?

Iran will truly raze Israel if Israel ever attacks their nuclear facilities. What I think Israel is trying to do is to drag the USA into this war, the AIPAC lobbyist in Washington and Wall Street has been going on with this pressure for a long time. Since I don't expect the ruling elites of the United States to put the welfare of its populace at a higher priority I think they will eventually get into the war if Israel starts it.
You should also know that by manpower, landmass and intelligence Iran holds an upper hand, the MOSSAD has only enjoyed positive media so it seems there is something they can do on their own while in reality they can't really accomplish anything without the USA. If how the Syria war has spilled over to neighboring Lebanon and other Arab states can be used as a guideline, we should expect Israel which is surrounded by Arab nations to be crushed to pieces. On numerous occasions the rebels who were fighting in Syria has been caught only to be found out that they were trained and told they were fighting Israel, so they happily go to war thinking they were fighting Israel.

cap28:
what about the millions of africans that died during the transatlantic crossing - why arent you up in arms about their deaths,

the jews received millions in reparations from germany, what have your own people received from america or europe by way of compensation for our stolen manpower and the genocide of millions of our people?

Zionists are racist scum - why did they support the continuation of aparthied in south africa?

Can you back up your claim about Iran having a long history of supporting and arming terrorist groups with facts?

the only nation to date that has caused mass death and destruction with nuclear weapons is the united states who were responsible for hiroshima and nagasaki.- they are also responsible for arming and training rebel groups who create mayhem in various countries around the world, just the other day the united states and europe destroyed two sovereign states in africa - libya and ivory coast and they are still on a mission to add more to that list - so what is your point?

If the millions of African's whose ancestors died in the Transatlantic Crossing decide to behave like sheep and continue bowing to the same People who did them such Grievous harm,whose fault is it?

Zionists may have been racist,but they were not the only nation who supported the Racist Regime in SA so that is beside the point,I dont see you posting on the Racism of the other Countries who supported or were silent about Apartheid,Check Wikipedia for the List,its too long to post here.



As for the US of A nuking Japan,did you know that in said War,US casualties were more than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,and that The US could easily have Nuked Tokyo or Osaka...and that the US only entered the war after Japan's unprovoked and undeclared attack on it at Pearl Harbor,check youtube for Videos of the attack.

Cap28 for you,to prove Iran sponsors Terrorism
After the fall of the Shah, the Islamic Republic of Iran established the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC - Pasdaran-e Inqilab) to domestically promote the government's social policy. The organization is accused of spreading its ideology in neighboring regions by training and funding "terrorist organizations". By 1986, the group had 350,000 members and had acquired a small naval and air force. By 1996, the ground forces numbered 100,000 and the naval forces numbered 20,000. They are believed to use the proxy Al Quds Force to train the Islamic militants. Currently Al Quds conducts training units in Iran and Sudan.[3]

The Pasdaran also is believed to have connections with underground organizations in the Middle East. They have a strong influence on groups in Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates. The largest group of Pasdaran connections is made up of 12,000 Iranians, Afghans, Iraqis, Lebanese Shiites and North Africans who either received training in Iran or during the Afghan War and are presently trained in Sudan, Lebanon, and Iran. The Hezbollah party provides intelligence, logistics and operational units in Lebanon. The second largest operation relates to Kurds, particularly Iraqi Kurds. The third largest is made up of Kashmiris, Balouchis and Afghans.

Pasdaran supports Hezbollah operations in Lebanon, Iraqi Kurdistan, Jordan and Palestine and the Islamic Jihad in Egypt, Turkey and Caucasia.

In 1995, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard held a conference with worldwide organizations accused of engaging in terrorism including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain and Hezbollah in Beirut for the sole purpose of providing training to these organizations supposedly to help in the destabilization of Gulf States and aid assistance to militants in these countries to replace the existing governments with Iran-like regimes.[3]

The United States State Department states that this organization provides support for Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad in Israel. They also say that Pasadaran has given much support and training to terrorists supporting the Palestinian resistance. They are also accused of aiding the Iraqi insurgency in southern Iraq.[3] On September 26, 2007, the United States Senate passed legislation by a vote of 76-22 designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization.[4] U.S. President George W. Bush and Congress labeled the group under the guidelines established by Executive Order 13224 issued after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[5]

In August 2012, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei instructed the Revolutionary Guards and Quds Force to increase their terror attacks due to what the Iranian government perceived as their interests being threatened by United Nations sanctions and the West's support of Syrian opposition.[6]
Ministry of Intelligence and Security

Iran is believed to use the Ministry of Intelligence and Security to gather intelligence to plan terrorist attacks. The ministry is believed to use liaison activities with supported terrorist groups and Islamic fundamentalist movements. The ministry itself is believed to carry out some terrorism mostly directed at political dissidents.[7]
Capture of American hostages
Main article: Iran Hostage Crisis

On November 4, 1979, 500 Iranians stormed the American Embassy and took 90 employees and visitors captive. They later released non-Americans, women and African-Americans, and held the 52 remaining Americans hostage for 444 days. The Americans would hold an embargo against Iran and demanded that the hostages be freed. Iran demanded unblocking of Iran's frozen assets in the United States ($24 billion) to release the hostages. Iran also demanded U.S. based Shah of Iran to be arrested and given back to Iran. They would later agree to accept $8 billion in frozen assets in exchange for the release of the hostages.

In 2000, the former hostages sued the Iranian government for state sponsored terrorism under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act. They would win the suit but would not be awarded damages because of a 2002 judgment that the terms of their release barred awarding any damages.[8]
State Department Report

In July 2012, the United States State Department released a report on terrorism around the world in 2011. The report states that "Iran remained an active state sponsor of terrorism in 2011 and increased its terrorist-related activity" and that "Iran also continued to provide financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia." The report states that Iran has continued to provide "lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups targeting U.S. and Iraqi forces, as well as civilians," despite pleding to support the stabilization of Iraq, and that the Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on "small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets." The report further states that Iran has provided weapons and training to the Assad regime in Syria which has launched a brutal crackdown on Syrian rebels, as well as providing weapons, training, and funding to Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, among others, and has assisted in rearming Hizballah. The report states as well that Iran has remained unwilling to bring to justice senior members of Al Qaeda that it continued to detain, and also refused to publicly identify these senior members, as well as that Iran has allowed Al Qaeda members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, which has enabled Al Qaeda to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.[9][10][11]
Specific countries
India

In July 2012, The Times of India reported that New Delhi police have concluded that terrorists belonging to a branch of Iran’s military, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, were responsible for an attack on 13 February 2012, during which a bomb explosion targeted an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India, wounding one embassy staff member, a local employee, and two passers-by. According to the report, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards may have planned other attacks on Israeli targets around the world as well.[12][13]
Israel

Iran does not recognize the State of Israel. The United States State Department states Iran provides support for Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad in Israel.
Hamas

Iran supplies political support and weapons to Hamas,[14] an organization committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad[15] Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, has said, "Hamas is funded by Iran. It claims it is financed by donations, but the donations are nothing like what it receives from Iran."[16][17]

Iran has also supplied the militant organization Hezbollah with substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons (including long range rockets), explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take an action against Israel.[18][19][20] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"[21] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million dollars from Iran.[19]
Hezbollah
President Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy show respect to the victims of 1983 barracks bombing
A mural in Teheran, Iran. The circled portrait on the top right is that of Muhammad Munif Ashmar, a suicide bomber of the group Hezbullah. Sitting next to his rifle, is Ali Munif Ashmar, brother of Muhammad Munif Ashmar, also a suicide bomber of Hezbollah. He leans on a portrait of Ali Khamenei. Under Khamenei's portrait is the date of Ali Munif Ashmar's suicide bombing: "martyred on March 21st 1996 in Adaisseh, Lebanon". The large yellow text on the bottom of the mural reads, اسرائیل باید از بین برود "Israel should go away".

During the 1980s and 1990s, a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, occurred in Lebanon and other countries. The attacks, attributed to the group, have included:

The 1982-1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1983.
The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing of the U.S. Marine and French 'Drakkar' barracks which killed 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers.
The hijacking of TWA flight 847 holding the 39 Americans on board hostage for weeks in 1985 and murder of one U.S. Navy sailor
The bombing of the Israeli Embassy killing twenty-nine in 1992
The bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina killing 95 in 1994

Islamic Jihad is widely believed to be a nom de guerre of the Lebanese Islamist political movement and social service agency Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 with many millions of dollars of aid and considerable training and logistical support from the Islamic Republic. Many believe the group promotes the Iranian agenda and that its goal is to overthrow the moderate governments in the area and create Islamic Republics based on that of Iran as well as the destruction of Israel.[1]

Its methods include assassinations, kidnappings, suicide bombings, and guerilla warfare. It is believed to be one of the Islamic resistance groups that made suicide bombings common use. Other attacks credited to Hezbollah include:

The attack on the Khobar Towers housing complex in Dharan, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 U.S servicemen in 1996.
Firing of hundreds of rockets into northern Israel on a daily basis and capture of Israeli soldiers in 2006[22]

Henry Crumpton, the State Department’s coordinator for counterterrorism stated, “[Iran is] clearly directing a lot of Hezbollah actions. Hezbollah asks their permission to do things, especially if it has broader international implications.” However it seemed that when reformist Iranian President Mohammad Khatami took office in 1996 the Iran-Hezbollah connection declined.[23] But some commentators believe that the election of the current president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has increased Iranian support for the group.[24]
Iraq
Claims

Iran has been accused by the United States of giving weapons and support to the Iraqi insurgency (which includes the terrorist group al-Qaeda). The United States State Department states that weapons are smuggled into Iraq and used to arm Iran's allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army.[25] Evidence for this is that weapons, including mortars, rockets and munitions bear Iranian markings. U.S. commanders report that these bombs inflicted 30 percent of all American military casualties in Iraq excluding Anbar province, where these weapons have not been found. Furthermore U.S. intelligence has obtained satellite photographs of three training camps for Iraqi insurgents near Iran's capital where they are allegedly trained guerilla tactics, kidnapping and assassination.[26]

Admiral and United States Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell stated in an interview with the Council on Foreign Relations that there is overwhelming evidence that Iran is arming the insurgency in Iraq, "The Iranians today, we have clear evidence, are providing the very weapons that are causing U.S. servicemen and women to die. That’s clear, that’s not refuted, that’s not hawkish, that’s not shaded. That is the fact." He stated that Iran is providing explosively formed projectiles, a deadly weapon to the Shiite militants in Iraq.[27]

During his address to the United States Congress on September 11, 2007, Commanding officer for the United States forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus noted that the multinational forces in Iraq have found that Iran's Quds force has provided training, equipment, funding, and direction to terrorists. “When we captured the leaders of these so-called special groups … and the deputy commander of a Lebanese Hezbollah department that was created to support their efforts in Iraq, we’ve learned a great deal about how Iran has, in fact, supported these elements and how those elements have carried out violent acts against our forces, Iraqi forces and innocent civilians.”[28]
Counter-claims

A May 2008 Time article detailed the speculative origins of the US' allegations against Iran.[29]

Iran has denied that it supports the Iraqi insurgency, and states that it is the presence of US troops that aggravates violence. Abbas Araghchi, Iran's deputy foreign minister, said "For the sake of peace and stability in Iraq we need a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign forces. Violence in Iraq is good for no country in the region. Security of Iraq is our security and stability in Iraq is a necessity for peace and security in the region."[30] Iran has strong ties with Iraq Shia political groups, and would rather see the Shia dominated government remain in power than have Iraq splinter.[31] Iraqi prime minister Nouri Maliki has praised Iran for its positive and constructive stance on Iraq, including providing security and fighting terrorism.[32]
Kenya

Aggrey Adoli, Kenya's police chief in Kenya's coastal region, said on 22 June 2012 that two Iranians, Ahmad Abolfathi Mohammad and Sayed Mansour Mousavi, believed to members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force,[33] were arrested and suspected of being involved in terrorism. One of the Iranians led counter-terrorism officers to recover 15 kilograms of a powdery substance believed to be explosive.[34] The two Iranians allegedly admitted to plotting to attack United States, Israeli, Saudi, or British targets in Kenya.[33] In court, Police Sgt. Erick Opagal, an investigator with Kenya's Anti-Terrorism Police Unit, said that the two Iranians had shipped over 100 kilograms of powerful explosives into Kenya.[35]

It was later revealed that the targets included Gil Haskel, Israel's ambassador to Kenya. During a visit to Kenya in August, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon praised Kenya for its efforts in stopping Iranian terror threats against Israeli and Jewish targetsfor its efforts to stop Iranian terror threats against Israeli and Jewish targets. Uganda, Ethiopia, and Kenya all expressed concern with Ayalon regarding Iran's attempts to increase terror activity in Africa.[36]
Al-Qaeda ties
September 11

The U.S. indictment of bin Laden filed in 1998 stated that al-Qaeda "forged alliances . . . with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies."[37]

The 9/11 Commission Report stated that 8 to 10 of the hijackers on 9/11 passed through Iran and their travel was facilitated by Iranian border guards.[38][37] The report also noted that "a senior operative of Hezbollah" (Imad Mughniyah) was on the flights that convoyed the future hijackers from Saudi Arabia to Tehran, along with associates that Kenneth Timmerman describes as "Iranian agents".[38][39] The extent of Iranian involvement has been questioned due to major differences between the religious ideologies of Iran and al Qaeda;[40] according to the 9/11 Commission report, Mughniyah's presence on flights carrying the hijackers to Iran may have been a "remarkable coincidence."[38] After the commission called for "further investigation" into a possible Iranian role in the attacks, President George W. Bush demanded that Iran sever its ties with al-Qaeda, while saying that in his view, "There was no direct connection between Iran and the attacks of September 11."[39]

On May 31, 2001, Steven Emerson and Daniel Pipes wrote in The Wall Street Journal that "Officials of the Iranian government helped arrange advanced weapons and explosives training for Al-Qaeda personnel in Lebanon where they learned, for example, how to destroy large buildings."[41]

Judge George B. Daniels ruled in a federal district court in Manhattan that Iran bears legal responsibility for providing "material support" to the 9/11 plotters and hijackers in Havlish, et al. v. Osama bin Laden, Iran, et al.[42][43] Included in Judge Daniels' findings was that Iran "used front companies to obtain a Boeing 757-767-777 flight simulator for training the terrorists", Ramzi bin al-Shibh traveled to Iran in January 2001, and an Iranian government memorandum from May 14, 2001 demonstrates Iranian culpability in planning the attacks.[42] Defectors from Iran’s intelligence service testified that Iranian officials had "foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks."[40]
Al-Qaeda network
January 2009 sanctions

In January 2009, the United States Treasury Department placed sanctions on four al-Qaeda operatives based in Iran. The fourt al-Qaeda operatives are Mustafa Hamid, Muhammad Rab'a al-Sayid al-Bahtiyti, Ali Saleh Husain, and Sa'ad bin Laden, one of Osama bin Laden's sons. Stuart Levey, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, said that:
“ It is important that Iran give a public accounting of how it is meeting its international obligations to constrain al Qaida... Designations have a far reaching impact, deterring would-be donors from providing financial support to terrorism and leaving al Qaida leadership struggling to identify much-needed funding resources.[44] ”
July 2011 sanctions

In July 2011, the United States Treasury Department reported that Iran has been allowing al-Qaeda to channel money and operatives throughout Iran. In response, the Treasury Department placed sanctions on six alleged ooperatives, including Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil, who was described as an important al-Qaeda facilitator based in Iran. The department said that Khalil was allowed to operate in Iran since 2005, and has been transporting money and terrorist recruits into Iran from the Middle East, and then to Pakistan. David Cohen, undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, noted that by revealing these connections, "We are illuminating yet another aspect of Iran’s unmatched support for terrorism."[45]
October 2012 sanctions

In October 2012, the United States Treasury Department designated Adel Radi Saqr al-Wahabi al-Harbi, a deputy to the al Qaeda facilitator Muhsin al-Fadhli, who is based in Iran, and placed him under sanctions. Al-Harbi was accused of helping the travel of terrorists from Iran to Afghanistan or Iraq for al-Qaeda, as well as seeking money to support terrorism. The Treasury Department said that the al-Qaeda network used by al-Harbi operates according to an agreement with the Iranian government, under which al-Qaeda can operate and travel freely throughout Iran and to use Iran as a key transit point.[46]
Taliban insurgency

U.S. and British officials have accused Iran of giving weapons and support to the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.[47][48] Chris Alexander, the deputy United Nations representative to Kabul, has stated that the UN has seen no evidence of this, and that weapons and arms are principally smuggled across the porous Pakistani border.[49] Afghan President Hamid Karzai has praised Iran, saying "we have had, very good, very close relations... so far, Iran has been a helper and a solution".[49]
Cyberattacks

In October 2012, a former United States government official said that American authorities believe that Iranian hackers, who were likely supported by the Iranian government, were responsible for cyberattacks against oil and gas companies in the Persian Gulf. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has called the cyberattacks the most destructive cyberattacks in the private sector. Another American official said that the Obama administration knows that a government was responsible for the cyberattacks, which was confirmed by American agencies investigating the cyberattacks.[50]
Other allegations

Along with the above allegations, Iran is also accused of other acts of terrorism. Including:

The 1988 murder and kidnapping of Colonel William Higgins in Lebanon.
The Fatwa placed on Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie for his novel The Satanic Verses.[1] In April 1996, Mohammad Yazdi, the head of Iran's judiciary stated that "[the fatwah on Rushdie] will finally be carried out someday".
Mykonos restaurant assassinations. On September 17, 1992, Iranian-Kurdish insurgent leaders Sadegh Sharafkandi, Fattah Abdoli, Homayoun Ardalan and their translator Nouri Dehkordi were assassinated at the Mykonos Greek restaurant in Berlin, Germany. In the Mykonos trial, the courts found Kazem Darabi, an Iranian national who worked as a grocer in Berlin, and Lebanese Abbas Rhayel, guilty of murder and sentenced them to life in prison. Two other Lebanese, Youssef Amin and Mohamed Atris, were convicted of being accessories to murder. In its 10 April 1997 ruling, the court issued an international arrest warrant for Iranian intelligence minister Hojjat al-Islam Ali Fallahian[51] after declaring that the assassination had been ordered by him with knowledge of supreme leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and president Ayatollah Rafsanjani[52]
The 1994 AMIA bombing in Buenos Aires, after Argentina's decision to suspend a nuclear technology transfer contract to Tehran.[53]

thoth: Iran will truly raze Israel if Israel ever attacks their nuclear facilities. What I think Israel is trying to do is to drag the USA into this war, the AIPAC lobbyist in Washington and Wall Street has been going on with this pressure for a long time. Since I don't expect the ruling elites of the United States to put the welfare of its populace at a higher priority I think they will eventually get into the war if Israel starts it.
You should also know that by manpower, landmass and intelligence Iran holds an upper hand, the MOSSAD has only enjoyed positive media so it seems there is something they can do on their own while in reality they can't really accomplish anything without the USA. If how the Syria war has spilled over to neighboring Lebanon and other Arab states can be used as a guideline, we should expect Israel which is surrounded by Arab nations to be crushed to pieces. On numerous occasions the rebels who were fighting in Syria has been caught only to be found out that they were trained and told they were fighting Israel, so they happily go to war thinking they were fighting Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel Israel has consistently defeated multiple Arab Countries' attacks,alone at once. of course with Millitary Aid from USA.

confusion247:
Nothing like world war because Iran will become history within few hours after the war started. Iran brought down a USA drone in their air space is not a big deal. Let Iran continue with their empty threat. Iraq did the same.

If Iran were to be ever invaded trust me that China and Russia will be part of that war, the whole east and Middle East will burn. These nations have always been against “pre-emptive Strikes” The United States and Israel will always refuse dialogue and would like to escalate the situation since their main goal is war. What many analysts are speculating is that there will be Civil Disorder within the USA or ultimately a civil war if the USA neglecting its priorities decides to go into war in Iran.
Using Syria as an example, many global leaders have come up with many plans to avoid the ongoing war which the Government of Assad accepted but the Jihadist Rebels backed by USA ultimately rejects. Most popular among them was Kofi Annan’s Six Point Plan on Syria, which more that 95% of the all the UN member nations accepted but was rejected by the USA/Jihadist in favor of further aggression.
I really do not know why many people on here find any fault with Iran as they are clearly doing what a right thinking nation with the interest of its people at heart should do.

You guys should continue o, both countries have nuke, both countries have defense shield systems, both countries are skilled, the question remains, who's gonna hold more ground when the time reaches? IMO is Israel attacks and IRAN unleashes its nukes, it will prove to the world that their uranium enrichment program wasn't peaceful or for energy like they stated, such singular act will provoke other countries. Well let's hope that it doesn't come to that point.

As for people claiming that Israel lost in 2006, I laugh so hard.Different people have different accounts of the war, but Israel wasn't the one with the triple causalities, granted that purpose of the fighting wasn't achieved, but Israel has come a long way 7 years later. Let's just hope and pray it doesn't come to that. All the secret meetings Israel and Washington has been having is for a reason.

If Iran were to be ever invaded trust me that China and Russia will be part of that war, the whole east and Middle East will burn. These nations have always been against “pre-emptive Strikes” The United States and Israel will always refuse dialogue and would like to escalate the situation since their main goal is war. What many analysts are speculating is that there will be Civil Disorder within the USA or ultimately a civil war if the USA neglecting its priorities decides to go into war in Iran.

Where was China and Russia in Syria war? Like U.S., China has a greater stake to be involved in this war, a good chunk about 40% of their export is to the U.S., and another 20 something is Europe. If you of all people don't know that China is self centered and believe me, their economy may boom but militarily (IMO), they really aren't any match to USA and or Europe. Russia still stands as the greatest threat to the U.S. in militarily and that's because of their nukes, thanks to their START treaty aimed in reduction of these arms. Again, this is just my own opinion

koonbey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel Israel has consistently defeated multiple Arab Countries' attacks,alone at once. of course with Millitary Aid from USA.

You seem to have little understanding of geopolitics and how time has changed since then, you should look at those Arab nations as of then and see the kind of leaders they had, how advanced they were, what was the nature of the aggression and you should compare it to those nations as of today. Iran as an example under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi is definitely a puppet state and so were the most other Arab nations of that time, either subjects to Briatin,France or the United States and the nature of such wars was such that war was popular with the people but not with their leaders thus little significant or support was attributed to the whole endeavor, the media particularly and consciously refuses to expose this unique character of the events all in bid to further promote Israel’s invincibility.
These nations has changed and most of them do have nationalistic leaders either official as you have Syria ,Iran and Iraq or unofficial as you have Hamas and Hezbollah , the reptilian Muslim Brotherhood will always coordinate its own covert assistance as usual.
A recent test case was the Palestinian –Israeli scuffle last November which proves that with proper coordination and support that even little Palestine can intimidate Israel.

manny4life:

Where was China and Russia in Syria war? Like U.S., China has a greater stake to be involved in this war, a good chunk about 40% of their export is to the U.S., and another 20 something is Europe. If you of all people don't know that China is self centered and believe me, their economy may boom but militarily (IMO), they really aren't any match to USA and or Europe. Russia still stands as the greatest threat to the U.S. in militarily and that's because of their nukes, thanks to their START treaty aimed in reduction of these arms. Again, this is just my own opinion

Again you fail to look at the factors that define the whole event, china and Russia both offered diplomatic support(through UN) to Syria thus you have don’t have a No Fly Zone as in Libya but that is the not the point, Two important points are to be considered in this scenario, one is that the USA does not have boots on the ground and no US planes has dropped bombs over Syria, Russia made his positions very clear on that matter and vowed to stand by it, China expressed similar stands but in a rather Chinese of way.
Second point to note is that Syria is not the actual target; the actual target is Iran and Syria is only a casualty to this power game, analyst believed it will be easier to constrict Iran if all its allies are eliminated or at least contained in a way.
If the USA or Israel ever tries to invade Iran they have to answer to the wraths of Russia and China and a few other nations. You should also note that many Pro US Arab leaders understand that if there is to be a war between Israel (which would include the US of course) and Iran their citizens would overthrow them since they will be seen as a barrier to joining a popular pan Arab War. Think of Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and a few others.

thoth:

You seem to have little understanding of geopolitics and how time has changed since then, you should look at those Arab nations as of then and see the kind of leaders they had, how advanced they were, what was the nature of the aggression and you should compare it to those nations as of today. Iran as an example under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi is definitely a puppet state and so were the most other Arab nations of that time, either subjects to Briatin,France or the United States and the nature of such wars was such that war was popular with the people but not with their leaders thus little significant or support was attributed to the whole endeavor, the media particularly and consciously refuses to expose this unique character of the events all in bid to further promote Israel’s invincibility.
These nations has changed and most of them do have nationalistic leaders either official as you have Syria ,Iran and Iraq or unofficial as you have Hamas and Hezbollah , the reptilian Muslim Brotherhood will always coordinate its own covert assistance as usual.
A recent test case was the Palestinian –Israeli scuffle last November which proves that with proper coordination and support that even little Palestine can intimidate Israel.

the casualty figures of the War you "Scuffle" you mentioned

Palestinian civilian losses:
105 killed (including 30 children), 971 wounded (Palestinian claim)[15]
57 killed (Israeli claim)[16]
103 killed (UN preliminary estimate)[18]
68 killed (ITIC claim)[17]
8 Palestinians executed by the al-Qassam Brigades (alleged collaborators)[19]

Israeli civilian losses:
4 killed, 219 injured[20]

obviously,Palestine cannot as you say "Intimidate" Israel. now,about "These Nations" Changing and now having Nationalistic Leaders,that is a very Simplistic Assertion,please visit the link of Wars involving Israel to get a full Picture. but then,this is all just my Opinion,drawn not from any Religious(I am neither Christian,Jew nor Muslim),nor Political;just my Conclusion from the Available Facts.
Israel,as of Today is not Defeat-able my any Nation in the Middle East

a4.hafoe:
Imagine,u said dis is hw syria boasted,and isreal has attack them an syria dose noting waah! U boasting dat isreal attacked? Mehn u ridiculous!

ur english is attacking nairaland servers.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Einstein.. In a nuclear war, there are no winners - everybody dies, eventually. No matter how strong you are.

thoth:
Again you fail to look at the factors that define the whole event, china and Russia both offered diplomatic support(through UN) to Syria thus you have don’t have a No Fly Zone as in Libya but that is the not the point, Two important points are to be considered in this scenario, one is that the USA does not have boots on the ground and no US planes has dropped bombs over Syria, Russia made his positions very clear on that matter and vowed to stand by it, China expressed similar stands but in a rather Chinese of way.
Second point to note is that Syria is not the actual target; the actual target is Iran and Syria is only a casualty to this power game, analyst believed it will be easier to constrict Iran if all its allies are eliminated or at least contained in a way.
If the USA or Israel ever tries to invade Iran they have to answer to the wraths of Russia and China and a few other nations. You should also note that many Pro US Arab leaders understand that if there is to be a war between Israel (which would include the US of course) and Iran their citizens would overthrow them since they will be seen as a barrier to joining a popular pan Arab War. Think of Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and a few others.

They will have to answer to Russia and China? Lol, remove the nuclear arms that Russia has, what's so special will Russia do? Even if China is involved, you forget so quickly they're beefing with Japan their neighbor who's a strong ally with the U.S., haha, let's pray it doesn't come to that. The self-centered China will all know WILL NOT be involved. There's a lot at stake for them - both economically and financially. As for Russia, like I maintain, they remain the ONLY threat to the U.S., and don't forget, most of Europe and some part of Middle East are U.S. allies. Bros, it will be best not to think of war because when it happens, it's people within that region that will suffer.

thoth:
Again you fail to look at the factors that define the whole event, china and Russia both offered diplomatic support(through UN) to Syria thus you have don’t have a No Fly Zone as in Libya but that is the not the point, Two important points are to be considered in this scenario, one is that the USA does not have boots on the ground and no US planes has dropped bombs over Syria, Russia made his positions very clear on that matter and vowed to stand by it, China expressed similar stands but in a rather Chinese of way.
Second point to note is that Syria is not the actual target; the actual target is Iran and Syria is only a casualty to this power game, analyst believed it will be easier to constrict Iran if all its allies are eliminated or at least contained in a way.
If the USA or Israel ever tries to invade Iran they have to answer to the wraths of Russia and China and a few other nations. You should also note that many Pro US Arab leaders understand that if there is to be a war between Israel (which would include the US of course) and Iran their citizens would overthrow them since they will be seen as a barrier to joining a popular pan Arab War. Think of Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and a few others.

OK,cool,but please also list out the Nations that the Israel,and the US by extension can call upon in the event of War

Koonbey1:

the casualty figures of the War you "Scuffle" you mentioned

Palestinian civilian losses:
105 killed (including 30 children), 971 wounded (Palestinian claim)[15]
57 killed (Israeli claim)[16]
103 killed (UN preliminary estimate)[18]
68 killed (ITIC claim)[17]
8 Palestinians executed by the al-Qassam Brigades (alleged collaborators)[19]

Israeli civilian losses:
4 killed, 219 injured[20]

obviously,Palestine cannot as you say "Intimidate" Israel. now,about "These Nations" Changing and now having Nationalistic Leaders,that is a very Simplistic Assertion,please visit the link of Wars involving Israel to get a full Picture. but then,this is all just my Opinion,drawn not from any Religious(I am neither Christian,Jew nor Muslim),nor Political;just my Conclusion from the Available Facts.
Israel,as of Today is not Defeat-able my any Nation in the Middle East

All these you stated are totally irrelevant, I believe somehow that you really have no experience or well read thereof on the class of issues you choose to discuss. You should know quite well that any war, policy and program are divided between a goal and strategy part. The Goal is what counts more while the strategy is simply what it is. What matters in every analysis is whether or not a predefined goal has been achieved; it is war not video game on which you count body scores. Do you have any idea how many Russians died during WW2 at the hands of German artillery, aerial bombardments, soldiers and hunger? Now ask yourself what was the outcome of the war and which side achieved its goal.
To further educate you; the war and how the Russians led it was the strategy and the Goal was to subdue and overrun the Germans. Analysts and Elite politicians does not care about strategies as far as they can afford the cost, what matters most is the probability that the desired goal could be achieved, the Russian as well as the Palestinian event was costly in strategy and both achieved its goals. Look over your history book and you will see many events that share same attributes.
I assume you are quite young though that does not mean you are stupid but I would advise you to engage in further reading and from diverse sources to enlighten yourself.

koonbey:

If the millions of African's whose ancestors died in the Transatlantic Crossing decide to behave like sheep and continue bowing to the same People who did them such Grievous harm,whose fault is it?

Zionists may have been racist,but they were not the only nation who supported the Racist Regime in SA so that is beside the point,I dont see you posting on the Racism of the other Countries who supported or were silent about Apartheid,Check Wikipedia for the List,its too long to post here.



As for the US of A nuking Japan,did you know that in said War,US casualties were more than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,and that The US could easily have Nuked Tokyo or Osaka...and that the US only entered the war after Japan's unprovoked and undeclared attack on it at Pearl Harbor,check youtube for Videos of the attack.

forget all this islamist people that will want to twist the truth just 2 suit their own points.. They are just cowards

manny4life:

They will have to answer to Russia and China? Lol, remove the nuclear arms that Russia has, what's so special will Russia do? Even if China is involved, you forget so quickly they're beefing with Japan their neighbor who's a strong ally with the U.S., haha, let's pray it doesn't come to that. The self-centered China will all know WILL NOT be involved. There's a lot at stake for them - both economically and financially. As for Russia, like I maintain, they remain the ONLY threat to the U.S., and don't forget, most of Europe and some part of Middle East are U.S. allies. Bros, it will be best not to think of war because when it happens, it's people within that region that will suffer.

I think your problem is that you really don’t understand the Chinese defense policies, you need to read it and then read an analysis by someone else, mind you the Chinese under their new leader Mr Xi has updated their defense policy so expect a more involved China in world affairs. You people have accepted the aggressiveness of the USA and other imperialist nations as the norm and therefore expect that from a more mature clear headed nations like China and Russia. Explaining the policies of these two nations and their capabilities would take a very long write and I have from experience that it does not go well with nairaland so I expect you to read further on it.
All in all if you threaten Chinese interests they will hit back at you as hard as they can, if Russia is as weak as you have made it look (assumptions you likely made from watching movies and reading cold war Tom Clancy novels) then why don’t the USA attack them since they have almost limitless raw materials and land mass and that is exactly what the US killed millions of people all over the world for.

thoth:

I think your problem is that you really don’t understand the Chinese defense policies, you need to read it and then read an analysis by someone else, mind you the Chinese under their new leader Mr Xi has updated their defense policy so expect a more involved China in world affairs. You people have accepted the aggressiveness of the USA and other imperialist nations as the norm and therefore expect that from a more mature clear headed nations like China and Russia. Explaining the policies of these two nations and their capabilities would take a very long write and I have from experience that it does not go well with nairaland so I expect you to read further on it.
All in all if you threaten Chinese interests they will hit back at you as hard as they can, if Russia is as weak as you have made it look (assumptions you likely made from watching movies and reading cold war Tom Clancy novels) then why don’t the USA attack them since they have almost limitless raw materials and land mass and that is exactly what the US killed millions of people all over the world for.

No more arguments, when the time comes, we'll see. I'm glad there are other small nations that will take China's business so they can focus on their war.

thoth:

You seem to have little understanding of geopolitics and how time has changed since then, you should look at those Arab nations as of then and see the kind of leaders they had, how advanced they were, what was the nature of the aggression and you should compare it to those nations as of today. Iran as an example under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi is definitely a puppet state and so were the most other Arab nations of that time, either subjects to Briatin,France or the United States and the nature of such wars was such that war was popular with the people but not with their leaders thus little significant or support was attributed to the whole endeavor, the media particularly and consciously refuses to expose this unique character of the events all in bid to further promote Israel’s invincibility.
These nations has changed and most of them do have nationalistic leaders either official as you have Syria ,Iran and Iraq or unofficial as you have Hamas and Hezbollah , the reptilian Muslim Brotherhood will always coordinate its own covert assistance as usual.
A recent test case was the Palestinian –Israeli scuffle last November which proves that with proper coordination and support that even little Palestine can intimidate Israel.

i can see you are smoking bitumen and asphalt. So small palestine can intimidate israel and only 6 israelis died and up to a hundred palestinians died? I can see dat an average muslim is iredeemable from this brainwashing. When time reach now, na so una go dey show us pictures of dead babie and children dat was killed by missle and that they wer killed while washing plates and if u check well under those his plates, there is an ak-47. When u guys start noticing the war is not going according 2 ur plans, u'l start whinning dat u ar victimized. Guy go caution iran or whosoever it is, cos israel go stil tidy dem fuckup as usual

thoth:

All these you stated are totally irrelevant, I believe somehow that you really have no experience or well read thereof on the class of issues you choose to discuss. You should know quite well that any war, policy and program are divided between a goal and strategy part. The Goal is what counts more while the strategy is simply what it is. What matters in every analysis is whether or not a predefined goal has been achieved; it is war not video game on which you count body scores. Do you have any idea how many Russians died during WW2 at the hands of German artillery, aerial bombardments, soldiers and hunger? Now ask yourself what was the outcome of the war and which side achieved its goal.
To further educate you; the war and how the Russians led it was the strategy and the Goal was to subdue and overrun the Germans. Analysts and Elite politicians does not care about strategies as far as they can afford the cost, what matters most is the probability that the desired goal could be achieved, the Russian as well as the Palestinian event was costly in strategy and both achieved its goals. Look over your history book and you will see many events that share same attributes.
I assume you are quite young though that does not mean you are stupid but I would advise you to engage in further reading and from diverse sources to enlighten yourself.

Goals and strategy, letz forget about the body count presented above, israel mostly hav fought wars just on the counter to suppress an intimidatory uprising or retaliation, and if u ar truthful u'l know they do achieve it

c++_crazy:
[size=16pt]i can see you are smoking bitumen and asphalt.[/size] So small palestine can intimidate israel and only 6 israelis died and up to a hundred palestinians died? I can see dat an average muslim is iredeemable from this brainwashing. When time reach now, na so una go dey show us pictures of dead babie and children dat was killed by missle and that they wer killed while washing plates and if u check well under those his plates, there is an ak-47. When u guys start noticing the war is not going according 2 ur plans, u'l start whinning dat u ar victimized. Guy go caution iran or whosoever it is, cos israel go stil tidy dem fuckup as usual

After such display of arrogance and crudeness how would you expect me to reply to your posts again.

Mind you i am a christian, French Born and Igbo, i even trained in Haifa in the 80's so i don't really hate Israel.

LagosShia: I really felt sick (reading this thread) with all the ignorance people come to pour into Nairaland.i never knew my thread made it to the front page.the front page turns threads into pile of rubbish posts,as it attracts everyone into the thread.

please Seun should do something to raise the quality of his forum.most people are are idiots!!!

many mistake Iran for an arab country,and use the six day war between Israel and some arab countries (using hunting guns to fight Israel,which was using superior American weapons) to write off Iran.Iran is Persian,not arab.

many also call Iran "book haram sponsor".Iran cannot sponsor book haram because Iran and boko haram are ideologically miles away.over 90% of Iranians are Shia Muslims.most arab countries (with the exception of Bahrain,Lebanon,and Iraq) are majority Sunni Muslim countries.Saddam Hussein was a secular Sunni Muslim dictator governing a Shia majority Iraq.

many here think Iran is a terrorism sponsor.Iran simply support the Sunni Palestinians and Shia Hezbollah in Lebanon because Israel invaded and occupied Palestinian and Lebanon lands.but as we know,anyone against Israel is considered a "terrorist" or a "racist anti-Semite".iran says it supports all oppressed people around the world.the Shia ideology opposes oppression because of the legacy of Imam Hussein (as),the grandson of Prophet Muhammad (sa),who was oppressed and beheaded in Karbala.so Shia Muslims say they stand against injustice,tyranny and oppression.also,the Iranians particularly feel oppressed by the americans when their king was still in power in iran.the king or shah of iran was a western puppet.the American CIA engineered a coup in iran to overthrow a democratic government in the 1950s,and to replace it with more power for the shah.when Ayatollah Khomeini led the revolution in Iran,he was only responding to the aspirations of Iranians,who looked up to the Shia clerics based in the Shia Islamic holy city of Qom,in Iran.since then diplomatic relations soured after the revolution was successful.the shah was deposed and American interests and domination of iran ended.

groups like boko haram,alqaeda and other terrorist groups that kill innocent people for having different beliefs,are Sunni,and follow the Wahhabi/Salafist ideology.the Wahhabis/Salafists are very much opposed to Iran and consider the Shia as "heretics".just as boko haram kills Christians in Nigeria,Wahhabi/Salafist groups like alqaeda kill Shia Muslims in Iraq and Pakistan.in the last 3 decades,over 20,000 Shia Muslims have been killed by the salafists/Wahhabis in pakistan.the Saudi monarchy is based on wahhabism,the same ideology that alqaeda and the terrorist groups around the world giving muslims a bad image,subscribe to.but Saudi Arabia is America's number one ally.

alqaeda was engineered in Afghanistan by the American CIA and bin laden was their agent to fight the soviet union.he later turned against them because the Wahhabi/salafist takfiri ideology is built on killing the Christian kaffir and Shia "heretics".this is not Islam and the Shia don't share this view.presently in Syria,the Americans through its allies (turkey,saudi Arabia and Qatar) are backing Jubhat al-Nusra,a boko haram-like group and an affiliate of alqaeda with the salafist/Wahhabi ideology,to fight against the regime of Bashar al-Assad.bashar al-assad in Syria is pro-iran and supports Hezbollah in neighboring Lebanon,and therefore his regime is anti-Israel.again the west is supporting in Syria (as it did in Afghanistan) those it would later call terrorists,and used to tarnish the image of Islam and the reputation of Muslims.

many here post out of sheer ignorance and religious sentiments.israel of the old which was founded by prophets of God who even Muslims believe in,is not the same Israel of the present.israel (as presently applied) is a misnomer.the name pure deception to win religious fervor.israel of present is built on occupation of Palestine,and displacing the indigenes of Palestine who share jewish and Israelite genes,but are presently muslims and speak Arabic instead of Hebrew.with the coming of islam and the Arabians,the indigenes of Palestine,like those black africans in sudan were Arabized/assimilated and they intermarried with the Arabians.judaism predated islam in Palestine.islam as a belief system is alien to Palestine.but the muslims in Palestine are indigenous and were there before Islam.so no one can say the muslims "came" to meet the jews,because most indigenes were Arabized/islamized.that statement is not correct when considered that the muslims of Palestine (majority of them) did not come from elsewhere.israel is a racist or apartheid state that considers itself as a "jewish state".being a "jewish state" is racial and not the same as being an "Islamic state".anyone can be muslim,but not anyone can be jew.being a jew is both racial and religious at the same time.but being a muslim is not racial at all,and anyone can become muslim.and if a jew (like the Samaritans who are presently Palestinians,and other jews who are ancestors of Palestinians did) adopts Islam or another religion (even Christianity),he will stop to be considered as "jew".

many here give Israel some mystic aroma,and consider them "chosen people of God",and that Israel cannot be defeated.well,in 2006 Hezbollah in Lebanon held israel to a standstill war for 33 days.by the estimate of many,it was a war Israel lost and was unable to win,as Israel failed to accomplish the objectives that made it to launch the war.hezbollah is pro-iran and its weapons used in 2006 are Iranian made.

iran is a progressive country when it comes to military advancement and also in other science and technology fields.for the past 30 years,it has developed its military with home made weapons,mostly long range and sophisticated missiles that can reach Israel,among other weapons.you can check this:

https://www.nairaland.com/908175/progress-iran-under-islamic-regime

iran has not threatened Israel going by the statements of Ayatollah Ali Khamanei,who once served as Iran's president in the 1980s to early 90s.he is simply replying to Israeli and American threats to attack iran.both America and Israel have nuclear weapons.iran says its nuclear program is purely for peaceful,civilian and non-military purpose.

I AM A CHRISTIAN I MOST COMMEND U FOR THIS WELL RESEARCH WRITEUP, BUT I STRONGLY DISAGREE THAT ISRAEL LOST THE WAR AGAINST LEBANON. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AN ALL OUT WAR. ACCORDING TO BENJAMIN NETAYAHU ISRAEL USED A FRACTION OF A FRACTION OF A FRACTION OF ITS MILITARY MIGHT AGAINST LEBANON IF WE USED A FRACTION WE LL LEVEL LEBANON END OF QUOTE. THANK U ONCE AGAIN FOR THE WRITE UP.

thoth: Iran will truly raze Israel if Israel ever attacks their nuclear facilities. What I think Israel is trying to do is to drag the USA into this war, the AIPAC lobbyist in Washington and Wall Street has been going on with this pressure for a long time. Since I don't expect the ruling elites of the United States to put the welfare of its populace at a higher priority I think they will eventually get into the war if Israel starts it.
You should also know that by manpower, landmass and intelligence Iran holds an upper hand, the MOSSAD has only enjoyed positive media so it seems there is something they can do on their own while in reality they can't really accomplish anything without the USA. If how the Syria war has spilled over to neighboring Lebanon and other Arab states can be used as a guideline, we should expect Israel which is surrounded by Arab nations to be crushed to pieces. On numerous occasions the rebels who were fighting in Syria has been caught only to be found out that they were trained and told they were fighting Israel, so they happily go to war thinking they were fighting Israel.

THIS SHOWS HOW DUMB ARABS AND MUSLIM ARE.
ISRAEL WILL SLAUGHTER THEM LIKE FOWLS

thoth:

After such display of arrogance and crudeness how would you expect me to reply to your posts again.

Mind you i am a christian, French Born and Igbo, i even trained in Haifa in the 80's so i don't really hate Israel.

mind u, u ar not a christian, folks born in ivory coast and senegal are french citizens, u may be one, trianed in haifa? I was trained in ijebu ode and okija military and spiritual center in the 2000s, i really hate islam

Seriously, if America stays aside, Iran can actually confine Tel Aviv to dustbin of history. Israel is no match for Iran, sentiments apart.

moslems and their sheer love for empty bragging....
Na so osama start
na so taliban start
na so ghadaffi start
na so saddam start


were are all of them now? mstcheeeew......coward cult...if na to go and bomb planes and buses with children and women na that one dem go carry first....go and fight your fellow comnbatant una go run enter bush...

igbo boy: moslems and their sheer love for empty bragging....
Na so osama start
na so taliban start
na so ghadaffi start
na so saddam start


were are all of them now? mstcheeeew......coward cult...if na to go and bomb planes and buses with children and women na that one dem go carry first....go and fight your fellow comnbatant una go run enter bush...

If you can for once desist from seeing Iranians as Muslims and start seeing them as a nation, if you can take your time and look back through all articles you have read so far and see that this has never been a religious problem and nobody except bigots and ignorant yes members has classified it as such, if you can try to find any place or time that the iranians has ever held anything against israel and citied religion as their cause. If you can do just two of any of the above i will believe anything you said.
There are Christians, Jews and Copts in Iran and nobody has ever molested them based on their religion. Iranian Jews REFUSED To go back to Israel showing their displeasure towards Israeli aggression towards iran.