jidegirl12:

Biolabee... come over to family section you belong so I can explain to you in full details what I do for a living you a ss hole woman wrapper!

My little girl under 10 has been doing humanitarian job for over 2 yrs now , when she reaches age 20 that's gonna be over 12yrs experience on her resume. Does that make sense Biola?




Thank you sir.

See^^^^ Biola? Now who's a learner? I dey go home jare

Sleep well.... So you add school experience too to the pupils experience
Obviously this kind of embellishment is all too common around here

Ok o.......

There's nothing on the family section for now

Eko Atlantic: Omo ...... ni mi o ... Swagger

She no be your sister at all.You are total opposite.

She is more like Fela type,a true african and a true citizen of the world.

Don't come claiming her.

Good for him!!

I am really impressed that a Nigerian can achieve this much. More grease to her elbow.

And were is NWODO hiding.

biolabee: This one is not about tribal bashing
The girls story is not pure and we all know it

Ten years experience in NHS will be construed by anybody to mean full time work not aggregating cumulative experience as volunteers.

That is embellishment and can also be construed as fraud

Nwando sorry on this one that your intentions are mis construed
Just drop it

She is involved in a good business idea lets hope it works

One love guys

Thank God there are some sensible people here
At least her lies and embellishments have been brought out fore front next time she will get the age of graduation and her experiences right
The lies are unecessary
Yes it is a good business
That's just what it is,a business

Dis nwando n cfc guyz r jez plain stupid..point iz,she iz livin ha dream n yu shd go live yours if yu got any....

[size=18pt]She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.[/size]

That was the claim on her website
Guess what?

[size=28pt]There is no American academy of aesthetic surgeons[/size]
Oya make una help her straighten this one out

docxdee: Dis nwando n cfc guyz r jez plain stupid..point iz,she iz livin ha dream n yu shd go live yours if yu got any....

Sharap
This is how people come to Nigeria and mesmerize you dumbos with false and over bloated credentials
One of them may just be required to snatch out your appendix some day after parading a 10 year experience meanwhile you are the first guinea pig on his table to be used or experiment.

Angyee:

[size=18pt]She stated herself she entered at 17 years of age. And yes, she graduated at 21 [/size]if she entered at 17 years. How you ask? Well as I was having dinner just now out of curiosity I Google-d youngest doctor in UK, guess what I found?



That is most likely around the age Ola was as well. [size=18pt]Now she graduated in 2009[/size], this lady graduated in 2010. It is entirely possible that at the time of graduation she was the youngest and also 21 years and three hundred-and-something days but now this lady by a few days or months has beat her record so to speak and so is NOW the youngest and she is now ONE OF the YOUNGEST. So actually hun, her age of graduation from this article is an achievement. There is everything fantastic about it.

And I still cannot see the lies.

So the graduation age has reverted back to 21 and graduating year has moved from 2008 to 2009
The same doctor?
You are getting confused dear
I didn't make these up

Ola Orekunrin claimed she got into the university at 15 to study medicine
That is a lie
SHe changed it to 17
Now you insist she graduated at 21 when her course of study is 5 years ?


Age of graduation is inconsequential
She made it an issue not me
If she must flaunt her graduation age she has to stick to one story

Her interview

[size=18pt] I passed my A-Levels with flying colours, started my degree at the University of York at 15. I supported myself all through, working. I wrote my final medical examinations at 21, thus emerging the youngest medical doctor in England.”[/size]

http://www.punchng.com/spice/personalities/how-i-became-a-doctor-at-21-ola-orekunrin/

What part of that initial claim don't you understand?

Nwando jare, I am on your side. This her CV is unnecessarily embellished. She has a good business model. She does not have to be a doc to run her company successfully..... but she is. That should have been enough. The fact that she feels the need to lie blatantly makes me very suspicious of her.

She obviously has a lot of "small small" lies in her CV, then she tops it off by claiming to have board certification in America.......not in a primary specialty but in a secondary one. Shebi she is implying she is board certified in plastic surgery? But as Nwando said, the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) does not recognize this her board. C'mon now! Easy with the lying Dr Ola.

^^^^^^

He he he
Mu che che mu che che

nwando:

Sharap
This is how people come to Nigeria and mesmerize you dumbos with false and over bloated credentials
One of them may just be required to snatch out your appendix some day after parading a 10 year experience meanwhile you are the first guinea pig on his table to be used or experiment.

I pray I dont fall victim to quacks loki or foreen

I doubt a brilliant lady like her will just sit down one day and do havoc to her credentials.
Maybe some people exaggerated it for her?

omo jeje: Nwando jare, I am on your side. This her CV is unnecessarily embellished. She has a good business model. She does not have to be a doc to run her company successfully.....but she is. That should have been enough. The fact that she feels the need to lie blatantly makes me very suspicious of her.

She obviously has a lot of "small small" lies in her CV, then she tops it off by claiming to have Board Certification in America.......not in a primary specialty but in a secondary one. Shebi she is implying she is board certified in plastic surgery? But as Nwando said, the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) does not recognize this her board. C'mon now! Easy with the lying Dr Ola.

I am on about the American Board of Aesthetic Surgery cos I personally know what it takes to be qualified to sit for a medical board exam here. It's funny how she did not try the Royal College of Surgery exams where they have a specialty board in aesthetic surgery. She chose to say she is board certified in America where you have to have completed an ACGME (Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education) accredited training program before you can qualify as a candidate. Ok, where in her CV is the time she spent doing a residency in America (minimum of 5 full years for surgery, before you go on to specialize in cosmetic/aesthetic/plastic surgery for another 2-3 yrs)?

By the way, it's her website so she should know that if this Board was actually in existence, in America it would be called American Academy of Esthetic Surgery (AAES- not aesthetic with an Ae making it AAAS).

This Dr Ola-of-a-girl is the second coming of Emeagwali. Yes, she has the basic qualification she claims but the rest of her story which she believes makes her extraordinary (finishing med sch at 21, 10yrs NHS work experience, american board certification), was cooked up in the recesses of her mind.


And I don't understand some people sha. Just because Nwando is (obviously) Igbo, shey she is not allowed to call out fraud when it involves Yoruba people ni, or what? Smh.

I have to agree with Nwando - for a so-called "christian" I would advise that she reduce the lies -

She has published her own book along with several articles in high-profile medical journals and has sat on various influential boards at the British Medical Association. In 2008, she was awarded the prestigious MEXT Japanese Government Scholarship and produced ground-breaking research in the field of regenerative medicine through her work with induced pluripotent stem cells. She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.

What high-profile medical journals? what influential boards? American Academy? what? board certification? I mean, unless you take the boards in the U.S., you will not be inducted into any associations of surgeons

I would advise her to stop the LIES - everyday for the thief one day for the owner -

Nwando can you please list your achievements, and stop hating , am waiting

she is light years ahead of you and there is nothing you can do to tarnish her image, if you wanna fight go fight the real rogues robbing Nigeria Dry

am not sure nwando knows the level of work required to achieve what she has achieved. For her to be running a successful air ambulance company in Nigeria at her age and all u want to talk about is discrepancies in what age she graduated is a shame. Keep up the good work girl

I knew Ola very well in London like a younger sister to me. She has been working since she was very young. I can remember all the time she used to meet the doctors in the church to work for them at their surgery on very little payment or sometimes nothing just to get experience. There was a particular doctor in our church that she worked with for a very long time doing any menial job just to be in a medical environment. Ola was always applying for work experience.
During the London bombing she was with us in London so definitely would have been in a hospital on work experience.
She concentrated a lot on her career and I know she graduated at a very young age. She also traveled to Japan for a masters.
I have seen her website there is no where she wrote 21, they wrote 'young' but there is no age there. But she has always been very young for her age which caused her some problems when she applied for medical school.

Ola has disappointed me in the area of her spiritual life. In the church she was very active preaching and doing youth work. By now she should be on the television spreading the word of God but we have seen nothing of such.

You concentrate on her career. I believe everything that is stated on her profile is true.

I have pasted it here:

Dr Ola Orekunrin is the Managing Director of Flying Doctors Nigeria Ltd, West Africa’s first Air Ambulance Service. She graduated from the University Of York, one of the youngest doctor’s in the UK and has worked in the NHS for nearly ten years . She has a specialist interest in trauma and pre-hospital care, buttressed by her private work at motor-racing circuits across the country. She has published her own book along with several articles in high-profile medical journals and has sat on various influential boards at the British Medical Association. In 2008, she was awarded the prestigious MEXT Japanese Government Scholarship and produced ground-breaking research in the field of regenerative medicine through her work with induced pluripotent stem cells. She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.

But according to my research there is no American academy of aesthetic surgeons, it is the American academy of aesthetic medicine.

Career is not everything. What about the spiritual? Someone that was a mini-Pastor no longer even speaks about God any more.


What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? Mat 16: 26

I would like her to respond on this point to us.

The same trait that has stopped us from achieving our full potential in this country is what Nwando is exhibiting,In other climes they celebrate positive contributions, not only did she build a business in Nigeria's very difficult business environment, but her business is one of saving lives not government contract dependent businesses the type we have all over the place, yet someone here is ranting about age and experience.

The same way you are fully committed to pulling her down is the same way you will be pulled down yourself, so keep ranting and pointing out to the whole world about her age and experience, i bet the day a close family member of yours needs an air ambulance and you call her company to airlift your relation maybe that day your mouth will close forever so that you will realize that age, experience and all that doesn't matter, her business is saving lives period and may even save your own or that of your relative one day.

I also attended Ola's church.

American Academy Of Aesthetic Medicine http://www.aaamed.org/ is a set of courses and exams that can be taken by any doctor. She is always on a course or taking an exam, she has not put everything on her profile, but she takes a lot of these courses and exams.

I also know she was younger than everyone at graduation this is very true and she worked with many NHS doctors in the church as well as outside doing work experience from very young also. She would do any work that was available part-time just to explore the environment. As a child she was very busy, but always made time for God.

I don't think there are any lies in her professional profile as I knew her well. There are so many articles online with conflicting views that I doubt she could given every one of them. I think there are a lot of misquotes as the profile on the website that Bisi posted does not say that.

But I agree, that she is now too worldly and has taken things of God with levity. A lot of her clothing is not modest. As a child she would not even wear trousers.

I would have expected more more her with regard to church activity as life is not all about your career.

My two cents

There is no doubting that this lady is a doctor, her experience as a doctor probably not very much, but she is clearly an entrepreneur, no one can take that from her, however I think its just a case of her manipulating her cv a wii bit here and there and she been caught out, and its not a really big deal people lie on their cvs u kind of have to, there was a series of the apprentice where alan sugar found a contestant had lied on his cv and he wasn't disqualified.
However in the medical field especially in the uk u have to be squeaky clean, if this her business was in the uk she would have received some serious hounding from the press by now
But unfortunately in nigeria she can get away with it
I noticed in reference to her graduation she was usually quoted most of the times rather than her own words
I dnt think we should be too quick to have a go at nwando, he has done absolutely nothing wrong rather than be very investigative and provoked some serious debate which is very good

jamesoluwasegun: I also attended Ola's church.
I agree, that she is now too worldly and has taken things of God with levity. A lot of her clothing is not modest. As a child she would not even wear trousers.

I would have expected more more her with regard to church activity as life is not all about your career.

My two cents

Sorry but being active in church isn't the only way to serve God.

bisidaniels:
Ola has disappointed me in the area of her spiritual life. In the church she was very active preaching and doing youth work. By now she should be on the television spreading the word of God but we have seen nothing of such.

Career is not everything. What about the spiritual? Someone that was a mini-Pastor no longer even speaks about God any more.


What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? Mat 16: 26

Are you saying she should forget about her degree and calling and become a TV evangelist? Is this the only way to serve God?

obowunmi: I have to agree with Nwando - for a so-called "christian" I would advise that she reduce the lies -

She has published her own book along with several articles in high-profile medical journals and has sat on various influential boards at the British Medical Association. In 2008, she was awarded the prestigious MEXT Japanese Government Scholarship and produced ground-breaking research in the field of regenerative medicine through her work with induced pluripotent stem cells. She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.

What high-profile medical journals? what influential boards? American Academy? what? board certification? I mean, unless you take the boards in the U.S., you will not be inducted into any associations of surgeons

I would advise her to stop the LIES - everyday for the thief one day for the owner -

i just went tru an article in a u.k based journal where she posted a biography of herself when she was 24.
She said she's a member of american academy of aesthetic physicians. You dont need to be a specialist to be a member. All need is a M.B.B.S and its open to all. You can get their course material online and write the exam anywhere in the world. She never said she's a member of american academy of aesthetic surgery.
She granted the interview while in japan on MEXT scholarship for a masters program. Now i'm not sure u really have an idea what people do in science related masters program, but u need to know its not about cramming and passing exams. Its about RESEARCH, most esp if its research based masters. She mentioned one Prof. Yamanaka of kyoto university as her mentor. The prof is a renowned expert in the field of stem cell research and regenerative medicine. You dont need rocket science to deduce she worked under the prof and their works were published in reputable journals.
The issue of nhs work experience and age of graduation has been resolved. People who know her personally has confirmed the above. No need overflogging the issue.
There's nothing wrong with her C.V, only she packaged it very well. And that's how modern C.V looks like. Every of your honest input or contribution counts and people are encouraged to include them in their C.V

nwando:

That was the claim on her website
Guess what?

[size=28pt]There is no American academy of aesthetic surgeons[/size]
Oya make una help her straighten this one out

So this is the only claim you have left? Will you admit you goofed on the other things you claimed she falsified?

For all we know, the website developer erred and used surgeons instead of medicine.

nwando:
But dr ola in an answer about her 10 yr experience and other lies said

I have no idea where anyone got the idea that I started univeristy at 15, I have never said that. I started at 17 and did a five year course without a Bsc. Journalists will write what they like I guess and its difficult to control especially when most of the time I dont even get an interview, I just find myself featured in a newspaper with a grossly inaccurate article mixing dates/times/circumstances.

this is your quote oh. So why are you quoting punch which according to you as above she has already said was not true? Is it today that journalists make up stuff? okay so Daily Mail UK reported some time ago that Angelina Jolie was getting married, Angelina said I'm not getting married. Angelina J is now a liar right? Your reasoning scares me.

as for her book you asked about, it is on amazon, whsmith and a host of other bookstores. WH smith does not sell, any Tom Di.ck and Harry Book as anyone in UK will tell you. I have seen books on amazon that WH Smith does not stock. Since you like proof here it is:

Book name: Revision Questions for Paediatrics : EMQs with Answers Explained by Orekunrin, Olamide; Chaplin, Helen

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revision-Questions-Paediatrics-Explained-MasterPass/dp/1846193761
http://www.whsmith.co.uk/Products/Revision-Questions-for-Paediatrics-EMQs-with-Answers-Explained-MasterPass-S+Paperback+9781846193767
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781846193767/Revision-Questions-Paediatrics-EMQs-Answers-1846193761/plp
http://books.telegraph.co.uk/BerteShopWeb/viewProduct.do?ISBN=9781846193767

as for journal articles, I don't have access to every medical journal in the world so I cannot irrefutably prove or disprove that claim.

omo jeje: I am on about the American Board of Aesthetic Surgery cos I personally know what it takes to be qualified to sit for a medical board exam here. It's funny how she did not try the Royal College of Surgery exams where they have a specialty board in aesthetic surgery. She chose to say she is board certified in America where you have to have completed an ACGME (Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education) accredited training program before you can qualify as a candidate. Ok, where in her CV is the time she spent doing a residency in America (minimum of 5 full years for surgery, before you go on to specialize in cosmetic/aesthetic/plastic surgery for another 2-3 yrs)?

[/b]By the way, it's her website so she should know that if this Board was actually in existence, [b]in America it would be called American Academy of Esthetic Surgery (AAES- not aesthetic with an Ae making it AAAS).

This Dr Ola-of-a-girl is the second coming of Emeagwali. Yes, she has the basic qualification she claims but the rest of her story which she believes makes her extraordinary (finishing med sch at 21, 10yrs NHS work experience, american board certification), was cooked up in the recesses of her mind.


And I don't understand some people sha. Just because Nwando is (obviously) Igbo, shey she is not allowed to call out fraud when it involves Yoruba people ni, or what? Smh.

With regards to the highlighted, omo jeje and obowunmi, it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. Here is a website: http://www.aaamed.org/index.cfm?menuid=1. and it is spelt Aesthetic on the website. As Toluene said she can be a member, and as per the website you can write the exams you don't necessarily need residency. Also they have branches in Asia, Europe, Mid-East and South Africa so she could have written the exam in any of these locations and be board certified by the AAAM. However, while I did not find her name on the AAAM website list of Board certified members, some of the other branches websites do not list names so again I cannot irrefutably prove or disprove this claim. She is possibly a member but may not be Board certified or in the process of certification - I cannot say conclusively.

Nwando, just admit you are clutching at straws.

And by the way, I am proudly Igbo. (tho' every1 I've met says I don't look or sound Igbo [or even Yoruba or Hausa!] though I use a mix of Yoruba and Igbo exclamations)

joxiri:
However in the medical field especially in the uk u have to be squeaky clean, if this her business was in the uk she would have received some serious hounding from the press by now
But unfortunately in nigeria she can get away with it
I noticed in reference to her graduation she was usually quoted most of the times rather than her own words
I dnt think we should be too quick to have a go at nwando, he has done absolutely nothing wrong rather than be very investigative and provoked some serious debate which is very good

No, Nwando did what is called 'shoddy' investigation. S/He without plausible proof accused the lady of lying outright. If not that there are people who took the time to research everyone would believe that she is not a doctor if we are to go by Nwando's investigation(and I use the term investigation in relation to what nwando did very loosely).

As for press hounding in the UK, well her organization claims to be supported by East Anglian Air Ambulance. If she was truly lying, she would not have a snowball's chance in he.ll of them supporting her. I've dropped a short email to ask them to confirm if they support and will update on their response. At the end of the day all the research is so that if I or anyone I know or even those here ever need her services and it becomes affordable, they can be called on with confidence.

This is just wicked. The only fraud here is Nwando. When you dont have any achievements of your own, you run down those of other people. I am sure you have achieved nothing in our own life that is why you come to Nairaland to abuse others.

Igbo have this problem with jealousy especially when it comes to Yoruba's that are doing well.

I dont know doctor Ola personally but I have heard her speak at church (she goes to Daystar in Oregun) and I think that the credentials on the profile posted on her website dont even do justice to all her achievements compared to the profile our pastor read out before her talk.

All that is posted on her website is:

Dr Ola Orekunrin is the Managing Director of Flying Doctors Nigeria Ltd, West Africa’s first Air Ambulance Service. She graduated from the University Of York, one of the youngest doctor’s in the UK and has worked in the NHS for nearly ten years . She has a specialist interest in trauma and pre-hospital care, buttressed by her private work at motor-racing circuits across the country. She has published her own book along with several articles in high-profile medical journals and has sat on various influential boards at the British Medical Association. In 2008, she was awarded the prestigious MEXT Japanese Government Scholarship and produced ground-breaking research in the field of regenerative medicine through her work with induced pluripotent stem cells. She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.

There is no mention of all the awards like TED Fellow, Young Global Leader of the World Economic Forum,Forbes,New Generation Leader for Africa,Future Award, This Day Award. Pre-hospital care qualifications from the Royal College Of Surgeons........and these are just the ones I wrote down from the Business Forum talk.

Which embellishment?......she doesnt even begin to start with her achievements in that brief profile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The story she told us at church was so much more powerful as she explained how she got all her work experience placements sending out out hundreds of letters to different hospitals. Walking in home in the snow without any transport money. Was so inspired.It was called 'Finding Your True Love' and she said her true love was medicine.She told us about the problems she had getting admission to Imperial College as she was too young. It was amazing.

HYMS runs a 5 year course, if she started at 17.Then in her 1st Year- 17, 2nd Year-18, 3rd Year-19,4th Year-20, 5th Year 21. The latest she could have finished is 21 or at most 22 which is still young.

If you do research with the MEXT fellowship then it is COMPULSORY you publish. Have a look at the MEXT website : http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/koutou/ryugaku/boshu/1319066.htm. It is a RESEARCH scholarship!

My research also reveals any doctor can do the American Academy Of Aesthetic Medicine qualification. Its not limited to specialists. It is also not the same as plastic surgery.

If you go to the GMC website you will find she is a fully registered doctor in the UK with all correct certifications. Look here: http://www.gmc-uk.org/

I see so many comments on her spiritual life. Have you forgotten that only God sees the heart? When she gave her talk she was dressed modestly for our church environment, however perhaps other churches like MFM or Deeper Life may not have approved. Concerning dressing, outside church I have seen some outfits that may not be described as 'modest' for a born again christian,but leave God to judge.No one is perfect.

She is hard-working, God-fearing, professional and a role-model to any young entrepreneur. She is definitely one of the best speakers we have had at the business forum. She also works at the Clinic in Daystar.

teniola564:

Igbo have this problem with jealousy especially when it comes to Yoruba's that are doing well.

Please don't generalize. Did you miss where I said I'm Igbo. By the way I can attribute the same to Yoruba people.

This is just wicked. The only fraud here is Nwando. When you dont have any achievements of your own, you run down those of other people. I am sure you have achieved nothing in our own life that is why you come to Nairaland to abuse others.

Igbo have this problem with jealousy especially when it comes to Yoruba's that are doing well.

I dont know doctor Ola personally but I have heard her speak at church (she goes to Daystar in Oregun) and I think that the credentials on the profile posted on her website dont even do justice to all her achievements compared to the profile our pastor read out before her talk.

All that is posted on her website is:

Dr Ola Orekunrin is the Managing Director of Flying Doctors Nigeria Ltd, West Africa’s first Air Ambulance Service. She graduated from the University Of York, one of the youngest doctor’s in the UK and has worked in the NHS for nearly ten years . She has a specialist interest in trauma and pre-hospital care, buttressed by her private work at motor-racing circuits across the country. She has published her own book along with several articles in high-profile medical journals and has sat on various influential boards at the British Medical Association. In 2008, she was awarded the prestigious MEXT Japanese Government Scholarship and produced ground-breaking research in the field of regenerative medicine through her work with induced pluripotent stem cells. She also is a member of the American Academy of Aesthetic Surgeons and holds their board certification.

There is no mention of all the awards like TED Fellow, Young Global Leader of the World Economic Forum,Forbes,New Generation Leader for Africa,Future Award, This Day Award. Pre-hospital care qualifications from the Royal College Of Surgeons........and these are just the ones I wrote down from the Business Forum talk.

Which embellishment?......she doesnt even begin to start with her achievements in that brief profile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The story she told us at church was so much more powerful as she explained how she got all her work experience placements sending out out hundreds of letters to different hospitals. Walking in home in the snow without any transport money. Was so inspired.It was called 'Finding Your True Love' and she said her true love was medicine.She told us about the problems she had getting admission to Imperial College as she was too young. It was amazing.

HYMS runs a 5 year course, if she started at 17.Then in her 1st Year- 17, 2nd Year-18, 3rd Year-19,4th Year-20, 5th Year 21. The latest she could have finished is 21 or at most 22 which is still young.

If you do research with the MEXT fellowship then it is COMPULSORY you publish. Have a look at the MEXT website : http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/koutou/ryugaku/boshu/1319066.htm. It is a RESEARCH scholarship!

My research also reveals any doctor can do the American Academy Of Aesthetic Medicine qualification. Its not limited to specialists. It is also not the same as plastic surgery.

If you go to the GMC website you will find she is a fully registered doctor in the UK with all correct certifications. Look here: http://www.gmc-uk.org/

I see so many comments on her spiritual life. Have you forgotten that only God sees the heart? When she gave her talk she was dressed modestly for our church environment, however perhaps other churches like MFM or Deeper Life may not have approved. Concerning dressing, outside church I have seen some outfits that may not be described as 'modest' for a born again christian,but leave God to judge.No one is perfect.

She is hard-working, God-fearing, professional and a role-model to any young entrepreneur. She is definitely one of the best speakers we have had at the business forum. She also works at the Clinic in Daystar.