obadiah777: OGA JO HE AINT FOLLOWING THE CHRIST THE MAN. THATS CARNAL. THE MAN IS JUST THE TEMPLE OF THE WORD.

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<<< THATS THE CHRIST HE IS FOLLOWING. THE WORD. WHEN YOU GO TO CHURCH ARE YOU WORSHIPPING THE BUILDING ?

obadiah777: THIS IS WHY IT IS A SIN TO MAKE ANY GRAVEN IMAGES TO THE MAN. EXODUS 20 VS 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE. THIS IS WHAT JESUS IS. THE WORD, NOT THE MAN. FOLLOWING THE MAN IS IDOLATRY

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God <<< HIS NAME IS THE WORD OF GOD WHICH IS THE BIBLE

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<< THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. OK SO THE WORD SUPERSEDES THE FLESH OF THE MAN. SO TRYING TO WORSHIP THE MAN IS IDOLATRY. THE WORD IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING.

IN CONCLUSION-DO NOT FOLLOW THE MAN. THIS IS CARNAL. FOLLOW THE WORD.

ATMC: Judge in yourself can you follow d man without following his words?

obadiah777: THIS IS WHY IT IS A SIN TO MAKE ANY GRAVEN IMAGES TO THE MAN. EXODUS 20 VS 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE. THIS IS WHAT JESUS IS. THE WORD, NOT THE MAN. FOLLOWING THE MAN IS IDOLATRY

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God <<< HIS NAME IS THE WORD OF GOD WHICH IS THE BIBLE

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<< THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. OK SO THE WORD SUPERSEDES THE FLESH OF THE MAN. SO TRYING TO WORSHIP THE MAN IS IDOLATRY. THE WORD IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING.

IN CONCLUSION-DO NOT FOLLOW THE MAN. THIS IS CARNAL. FOLLOW THE WORD.

obadiah777: LOL YOU GUYS ARE GETTING HUNG UP ON TECHNICALITY. OK I IMPLORE YOU TO OPEN YOUR SPIRITUAL EYE. THEN STUDY THESE TWO VERSES

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

JOHN 1 VS 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

LET ME ADD ONE MORE

EXODUS 20 VS 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

obadiah777: ON A SIDE NOTE SOMETHING JUST JUMPED AT ME

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
<<< SAYS THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONGST US. THAT WAS CHRIST

JOHN 1 VS 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God <<< AND THEN HERE IT SAYS THE WORD WAS GOD

HMMM COMBINING THE TWO DOES THAT MEAN CHRIST WAS GOD ALL WILL BE REVEALED

PastelChic: ..YES, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY...Who else can claim to be THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, I AM?...Remember Jesus Christ the same Yesterday, Today and Forevermore.. + check out 1 Timothy 3 vs 16.

obadiah777: HMM HMM HMMM THAT WAS A HOT VERSE. STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. THE 1 TIMOTHY 3 VS 16.

ATMC: This is contrary to his words to peter. If we aint supposed to follow him why then did he tell peter 'follow me'. Again, he says he's d way to d father and that nobody comes to d father except by him jesus...paul says follow me as i follow christ, even paul did d 'following'...by the way, how can one follow jesus outside of d word of god? You err bruv

greatgenius: 1. The man jesus didn't ask you to follow him-,as in worship his every move like Christians do- he only sought to have you follow his words. Follow his examples. " Ye are gods. Sons and daughters of the creator, he said , anything I can do you can as well. But if you don't and can't believe this fact or in yourselves/abilities as gods who can by faith do and have anything ,then follow me- words/deeds/example etc- .. and Through me, by following my example ,words etc you will get to heaven/self actualization .. follow my example and you will be saved- from sin/ignorance .. follow me and you will find peace- and end the suffering etc etc..

He never ever asked to be worshipped or even revered. Jesus is god. But he is god just like everyone of us..he was god made man, but so is everyone of us.. he attained self actualization while in physicality and so can you( you can follow your own path- the best option- or follow his example if there need be )...

2. The whole i am the way to the father and no one comes to the father except through me mantra has been misunderstood or should I say misinterpreted for glaringly obvious reasons by Christians( but thats for another day).. nevertheless what i am going to do is reveal/ break down something very basic(imo) to you and hopefully lead you to the core of what jesus actually meant...

So here it is..
a) the kicker is, what most Christians actually denote as God the father is THOUGHT - the first level of creation..it is from THoUght or the father, where all things come.. nothing is ever created without it first originating from the father - it is impossible

a) the SON is actually word/words or The word.. the word/son is THOUGHT/ father expressed. the begotten son of the father /thought .. so God the son is the word- no disputing this since most Christians already know this- except they erroneously only associate jesus as the WORD.

C) the so called holy spirit is deeds or action.. actions are words moving or words in motion- the power of the word or the manifestation of the word/ son( there is where you get the whole " and the word/son became flesh..."...

The three levels or process of creation is the holy trinity- father, son and holy spirit ...

So what was jesus really saying? Well how do you get to the father.. how do you get to know the thoughts of someone. How do you know someone's intents/thoughts dreams/goals, image-nation, fears etc ? .. you discern or know by listening to their son/words or action/deeds-

So yes he was and is right- no one gets to the father except through the son. If you have seen the son, then you have seen the father..the son and the father are one and the same..

These are not esoteric truths but basic truths that the enlightened being you call jesus was teaching...

obadiah777: THIS IS WHY IT IS A SIN TO MAKE ANY GRAVEN IMAGES TO THE MAN. EXODUS 20 VS 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE. THIS IS WHAT JESUS IS. THE WORD, NOT THE MAN. FOLLOWING THE MAN IS IDOLATRY

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God <<< HIS NAME IS THE WORD OF GOD WHICH IS THE BIBLE

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<< THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. OK SO THE WORD SUPERSEDES THE FLESH OF THE MAN. SO TRYING TO WORSHIP THE MAN IS IDOLATRY. THE WORD IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING.

IN CONCLUSION-DO NOT FOLLOW THE MAN. THIS IS CARNAL. FOLLOW THE WORD.

ATMC: Lol...ehhh! Ok o! D lord knows them dt are his. D holy spirit leads me into all truth. So until he convinces me, you labour in vain @greatgenius

Joagbaje:

So who was he following?

From_Guiriga:


YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE.
Which bible are you talking about? Please advise.

ifeness:

I should put it well for you; FOLLOW NIETHER JESUS NOR THE BIBLE, FOLLOW YOUR HEART!!!

From_Guiriga:

EXODUS 20 VS 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,

Then can you explain: Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

Thanks in advance.

greatgenius: ok so let's have a little discussion.." D lord knows them that are his?" So this lord of yours is divisive and has an all exclusive club huh..BTW Who is this lord that you speak of..does your lord love unconditionally?..is your lord omnipotent as well? ..

BTW I don't think you have any idea what the holy spirit is because I tell you what anyone who is utilizing the Who-lly spirit will definetly see no need to worship another being let alone see the need for religion..

And no I do not labor in vain god sister... I am not here to convince or convert anyone to anything- neither will I infringe on anyone freewill to believe whatever they choose to... I am a "messenger" and my sole(soul) purpose is to deliver the message and have you reason/think about your limiting beliefs.. What you do with the message is solely up to you. Either way my duty would have been discharged..

From_Guiriga:


HMMM COMBINING THE TWO DOES THAT MEAN CHRIST WAS GOD
Colossians 1:13 "...He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,..."
Colossians 1:15 "...He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation..."

God, the first born of all creation? Can you explain?

Thanks in advance.

From_Guiriga:
It was, I had to comment. Can you please check out my comment on it.

Thanks.

greatgenius: 1. The man jesus didn't ask you to follow him-,as in worship his every move like Christians do- he only sought to have you follow his words. Follow his examples. " Ye are gods. Sons and daughters of the creator, he said , anything I can do you can as well. But if you don't and can't believe this fact or in yourselves/abilities as gods who can by faith do and have anything ,then follow me- words/deeds/example etc- .. and Through me, by following my example ,words etc you will get to heaven/self actualization .. follow my example and you will be saved- from sin/ignorance .. follow me and you will find peace- and end the suffering etc etc..

He never ever asked to be worshipped or even revered. Jesus is god. But he is god just like everyone of us..he was god made man, but so is everyone of us.. he attained self actualization while in physicality and so can you( you can follow your own path- the best option- or follow his example if there need be )...

2. The whole i am the way to the father and no one comes to the father except through me mantra has been misunderstood or should I say misinterpreted for glaringly obvious reasons by Christians( but thats for another day).. nevertheless what i am going to do is reveal/ break down something very basic(imo) to you and hopefully lead you to the core of what jesus actually meant...

So here it is..
a) the kicker is, what most Christians actually denote as God the father is THOUGHT - the first level of creation..it is from THoUght or the father, where all things come.. nothing is ever created without it first originating from the father - it is impossible

a) the SON is actually word/words or The word.. the word/son is THOUGHT/ father expressed. the begotten son of the father /thought .. so God the son is the word- no disputing this since most Christians already know this- except they erroneously only associate jesus as the WORD.

C) the so called holy spirit is deeds or action.. actions are words moving or words in motion- the power of the word or the manifestation of the word/ son( there is where you get the whole " and the word/son became flesh..."...

The three levels or process of creation is the holy trinity- father, son and holy spirit ...

So what was jesus really saying? Well how do you get to the father.. how do you get to know the thoughts of someone. How do you know someone's intents/thoughts dreams/goals, image-nation, fears etc ? .. you discern or know by listening to their son/words or action/deeds-

So yes he was and is right- no one gets to the father except through the son. If you have seen the son, then you have seen the father..the son and the father are one and the same..

These are not esoteric truths but basic truths that the enlightened being you call jesus was teaching...

Santi222: Please explain to me how it is possible to follow Christ without following his words. Is Christ a Man? Do we worship flesh? Didnt He say that He and the Father were one? What happens to the Trinity then? (mind u, I'm not a Catholic.) If u talk about worshiping images or any other physical represantation of God, I'm with u on that one. But any other strange and crazy technicalities dreamt up after a night of Hallicunations with Psychdelic drugs... U are on your own oh! How do u explain your theory to a newly born again Christain? We shud pray to the word, abi? And end our prayers with In The Words name, amen!! SMH!

goshap: no arguement from me!.

obadiah777: HOW IT IS POSSIBLE TO FOLLOW CHRIST WITHOUT FOLLOWING HIS WORDS ? VERY SIMPLE. HE LIKED TO DRINK WINE. HE WAS CONSIDERED A WINE BIBBER. AND HE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO GO INTO TEMPLES WITH KOBOKO LASHING FOLKS. NOW I COULD DECIDE THAT I AM GOING TO DRINK LOTS OF WINE WHILE LASHING FOLKS IN CHURCH WITH KOBOKO. THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWING CHRIST WITHOUT FOLLOWING HIS WORDS. THATS A CRUDE EXAMPLE BUT HEY YOU GET THE POINT

ATMC: From your post i deduced you're a cross bearer...i see

obadiah777: LOL DUNNO WHAT DO MAKE OF YOUR POST BRUV. HOWEVER SOME STRONG POINTS IN IT.

greatgenius: glad you see the points in my post even though you seem not what to make of it.. but I only speak the truth god brother. You don't have to believe it though ...

And yes you are right about the need not to follow/worship the being you call jesus..now if you have come to this revelation it will also do you well to stop worshipping God as well because he doesn't need or wants it..

greatgenius: a cross bearer? What exactly do you mean and for who do I bear this cross for... BTW you didn't answer my questions about your Lord..

obadiah777: WORSHIPPING GOD IS NOT A RITUAL. YOU WORSHIP GOD WHEN YOU TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED BECAUSE IN GODS IMAGE WAS EVERYONE MADE

ATMC: answering your question will lead to argument and dt i'm not prepared for, basically cos i don't have much knowledge to stand you as i know little for now but if you have anything to say to me you might as well say it. I'm all ears

ATMC: answering your question will lead to argument and dt i'm not prepared for, basically cos i don't have much knowledge to stand you as i know little for now but if you have anything to say to me you might as well say it. I'm all ears