The Nigerian govt is known to be corrupt and the looting culture is far from being over, rather, the priviledged few device other sneaky ways to beat the EFCC. Will you support Nigeria to practice communism(libertarian) that will help create a classless Nigerian  society  and make looting less attractive? Beside the usual tyranny that accompanies communism, don't you think that if we imbibe such economic system, our society will get better infracstructure and standard of living?

Needlelady:

Will you support Nigeria to practice communism(libertarian) that will help create a classless Nigerian society and make looting less attractive?

Me thinks 4play would be very offended with this pairing of communism/libertarianism

i totally agree,true communism is the panacea to this yeye corrupt form of capitalism we are practicing in nigeria

@Poster, How did you arrive at what we have now being the Problem and not the government itslf being the problem?

@Poster, How did you arrive at what we have now being the Problem and not the government itslf being the problem?

The govt is not a person. If we are helpless and cannot stop them from looting, we can as well clamour for a system that will force them to surrender.

Needlelady:

The govt is not a person. If we are helpless and cannot stop them from looting, we can as well clamour for a system that will force them to surrender.

1) How did you determine that we are helpless and cannot stop them from looting?? Or is this not just an extension on the problem in the BLACK WORLD?? Inability to stand up for one's right as one should but instead willing to change systems around to solve the problem

2) What makes you so sure that a new system will not find us exactly sitting where we are are now One could argue that right now what we have is actually closer to communism than it is capitalism or socialism, considering government controls most all. What say you and why ??

Hehehehehe. . . .

Kobo kobo has already highlighted the fundamental flaw in the argument.

Nigeria's government has its fingers in almost all aspect of our lives albeit in a corrupt manner.

What the poster is advocating is more government as the elixir to our problems.

Quite disingenuous me thinks

1) How did you determine that we are helpless and cannot stop them from looting?? Or is this not just an extension on the problem in the BLACK WORLD?? Inability to stand up for one's right as one should but instead willing to change systems around to solve the problem

2) What makes you so sure that a new system will not find us exactly sitting where we are are now One could argue that right now what we have is actually closer to communism than it is capitalism or socialism, considering government controls most all. What say you and why ??

Whatever solution you have in place now is clearly not working, so, you can as well try something new. I'm not saying that communism is devoid of problems but it may be easier for us to tackle than languish in poverty. Poverty is a disease and it's more dangerous when it's artificially created,

Needlelady:

Whatever solution you have in place now is clearly not working, so, you can as well try something new. I'm not saying that communism is devoid of problems but it may be easier for us to tackle than languish in poverty. Poverty is a disease and it's more dangerous when it's artificially created,

wait a sec,

1) What solution have we ACTUALLY TRIED I mean it is one thing to have solutions but have we TRIED to implement those solutions?? It is easy to say what we have not tried has not worked but that has yet to do any people any good.

2) I say again that when I think of Nigeria, I do not think Capitalism but a seriously corrupt communist country. Just cause we recently adopted democracy does not mean anything has changed at all. It is seriously leaning towards communism in all ways. From Government controlling banks and infrastructure development and what not, to the move to control control what tribe has access to what. That spells communism to me. How then did you arrive at communism being potential solution when it seems to be what we have and have been complaining about for decades now to pull out from.

wait a sec,

1) What solution have we ACTUALLY TRIED I mean it is one thing to have solutions but have we TRIED to implement those solutions?? It is easy to say what we have not tried has not worked but that has yet to do any people any good.

2) I say again that when I think of Nigeria, I do not think Capitalism but a seriously corrupt communist country. Just cause we recently adopted democracy does not mean anything has changed at all. It is seriously leaning towards communism in all ways. From Government controlling banks and infrastructure development and what not, to the move to control control what tribe has access to what. That spells communism to me. How then did you arrive at communism being potential solution when it seems to be what we have and have been complaining about for decades now to pull out from.

Really? Nigeria is now a communist state from your perspective? Are the oil companies not in total control of the US govt? should that equate to communism too?

Needlelady:

Really? Nigeria is now a communist state from your perspective? Are the oil companies not in total control of the US govt? should that equate to communism too?

Pray. . . .Do tell

@Needlelady.

A consistent debate during the Obasanjo regime was the extensive deposit of power in the presidency compared to the other arms of government.

You with your communist argument, will be setting back the little progress made to devolve powers to other arms and locales of government.

Needlelady:

Really? Nigeria is now a communist state from your perspective? Are the oil companies not in total control of the US govt? should that equate to communism too?

aaarrgggh,  do you know how frustrating it is to debate intellectually with you anti-west types?? So suddenly your definition of capitalism and your deeming it as the problem stems from your delusion that the oil companies in Nigeria are controlled by the US government and hence defacto we have capitalism in Nigeria.

sigh!!!!

aaarrgggh, do you know how frustrating it is to debate intellectually with you anti-west types?? So suddenly your definition of capitalism and your deeming it as the problem stems from your delusion that the oil companies in Nigeria are controlled by the US government and hence defacto we have capitalism in Nigeria.

sigh!!!!

I don't know whether you are just delusional or you can't understand simple english. i just said that indigenous American oil companies in America control their own govt to an enormous extent and you are correlating my statement with Nigerian govt. Duh? Have you eaten this night or do you need your reading glasses?

@Needlelady.

A consistent debate during the Obasanjo regime was the extensive deposit of power in the presidency compared to the other arms of government.

You with your communist argument, will be setting back the little progress made to devolve powers to other arms and locales of government.

Which godamn progress did you make in Nigeria under Obj? Sharing the national cake in circles? Is that your idea of progress? Is it not the same Obj that wasted whatammacllit in the energy sector by filling his offsore accounts to the brim? Praytell.

Needlelady:

I don't know whether you are just delusional or you can't understand simple english. i just said that indigenous American oil companies in America control their own govt to an enormous extent and you are correlating my statement with Nigerian govt. Duh? Have you eaten this night or do you need your reading glasses?

Here is the thing. You followed your comment about Nigeria with your comment about Oil companies in America. I say you need to please research these days. First of all communism means Government controls and not Oil companies controlling anything. Now let me help you a bit with your oil company comment.

1) Who is the Oil Company ?? , The oil company is actually made up of MILLIONS of individual americans and people around the world who own stocks in these companies. These people include people in Nigeria and people in places like Iran, Iraq and so on. So no need to be afraid of the OIL COMPANIES please

2) American oil companies in America control their own govt to an enormous extent Please explain how you arrived at this comment cause I have no idea what exactly it is you mean here

Needlelady:

I don't know whether you are just delusional or you can't understand simple english. i just said that indigenous American oil companies in America control their own govt to an enormous extent and you are correlating my statement with Nigerian govt. Duh? Have you eaten this night or do you need your reading glasses?

Thats no way to address the honourable moderator LMAO

Needlelady:

Which godamn progress did you make in Nigeria under Obj? Sharing the national cake in circles? Is that your idea of progress? Is it not the same Obj that wasted whatammacllit in the energy sector by filling his offsore accounts to the brim? Praytell.

Well, the little progress made as regards the slight condescension to other locales of power under this government.

Whereas Obasanjo rode roughshod over all that was before him. . . . .this President for whatever reason has ad nauseum
made due process and the rule of law, the mantras of his presidency.

Did someone like send an email, to all, informing them of this ?? @Doyin. How did this spread in like 2 seconds?? is it impossible to do this anon LMAO!!!

1) Who is the Oil Company ?? , The oil company is actually made up of MILLIONS of individual americans and people around the world who own stocks in these companies. These people include people in Nigeria and people in places like Iran, Iraq and so on. So no need to be afraid of the OIL COMPANIES please

Have you ever heard of the robber barons before?

@Needlelady

Such tycoons of industry do not exist anymore.

With the way the electoral law is in the United States, it is difficult for one industry to control the US govt.

doyin13:

@Needlelady

Such tycoons of industry do not exist anymore.

With the way the electoral law is in the United States, it is difficult for one industry to control the US govt.

some would call bill gates a modern day robber baron. . .

and most american robber barrons always aend up thinking about posterity - (the foundations etal) so bill could be said to be keeping to type. .

oyb:


some would call bill gates a modern day robber baron. . .

and most american robber barrons always aend up thinking about posterity - (the foundations etal) so bill could be said to be keeping to type. .

Considering the way Microsoft has been hounded for its monopolistic practices in the US and Europe. . . .i would
say his powers are tightly circumscribed.

@Needlelady

Such tycoons of industry do not exist anymore.

With the way the electoral law is in the United States, it is difficult for one industry to control the US govt.

Praytell, the lobbyists they front tells it all. Come to DC and see for yourself the number of Jack Abramoffs that lurk everywhere.

Needlelady:


Have you ever heard of the robber barons before?

How do you, after what I explained to you of what OIL company means, come back with such a term

Considering the way Microsoft has been hounded for its monopolistic practices in the US and Europe. . . .i would
say his powers are tightly circumscribed.

What about pharmaceutical companies and HMO's? This is a perfect cpitalist society and forget that share crap Kibojunk is talking about. Robber barons are still alive and well here.

plus are there any indices for the amount of influence lobbyists peddle?


as an aside - i doubt if communis will work in nigeria. it has already been pointed out that in more ways than one nigeria is socialist in everything but name - which is why so many parastatals are run by the government. Nitel, NEPA/PHCN, Water Corporation, all the basic services  - they don't run.

moreover - there is no such thing as a truly flawed system of government /comerce. but there are truly flawed people who can rubbish the best systems. democracy, monarchy, socialism, etal have all worked at one time or nother in history.

Needlelady:


Praytell, the lobbyists they front tells it all. Come to DC and see for yourself the number of Jack Abramoffs that lurk everywhere.

Needlelady:

What about pharmaceutical companies and HMO's? This is a perfect cpitalist society and forget that share crap Kibojunk is talking about. Robber barons are still alive and well here.

Do you know that even Diaper companies, environmentalists, poultry farms, paper manufacturers have lobbyists?? Why make it all about Oil companies?? Why are you focused on just those that have a connection to oil companies?

oyb:

plus are there any indices for the amount of influence lobbyists peddle?


as an aside - i doubt if communis will work in nigeria. it has already been pointed out that in more ways than one nigeria is socialist in everything but name - which is why so many parastatals are run by the government. Nitel, NEPA/PHCN, Water Corporation, all the basic services - they don't run.

moreover - there is no such thing as a truly flawed system of government /comerce. but there are truly flawed people who can rubbish the best systems. democracy, monarchy, socialism, etal have all worked at one time or nother in history.

You mean communist in everything but name, right

Do you know that even Diaper companies, environmentalists, poultry farms, paper manufacturers have lobbyists?? Why make it all about Oil companies?? Why are you focused on just those that have a connection to oil companies?

Because they ctrl the bulk of the lobbyists ff by the pharm coys.

By Oyb,
as an aside - i doubt if communis will work in nigeria

How can you tell for sure if you haven't given it a try?

Needlelady:


Because they ctrl the bulk of the lobbyists ff by the pharm coys.

Do you have information to show this

Here is something for you to ponder please. The American industry depends 95% on Oil . If oil is taken away and no substitute made available, the economy comes to a complete stand still. On the other hand, again, oil companies are made up of millions of investors, many of them ordinary Americans like you and I. Ask anyone who owns stocks in oil companies, I mean those who live around you in DC there if they control the government.

doyin13:

Considering the way Microsoft has been hounded for its monopolistic practices in the US and Europe. . . .i would
say his powers are tightly circumscribed.

sort of like rockefeller and standard oil. . . and AT & T

Kobojunkie:

You mean communist in everything but name, right

naa - we don't have KGB , do we. . .and we aren't engaged in a cold war with capitalist nations. . .so i guess not