Do you have information to show this

I don't live in Ohio, i live in DC.

Needlelady:


I don't live in Ohio, i live in DC.

I didn't as you were you lived, I asked you for data to back up the claim you made.

oyb:

naa - we don't have KGB , do we. . .and we aren't engaged in a cold war with capitalist nations. . .so i guess not

China and Cuba don't have KGB and they are not necessarily in cold wars with Capitalists nations that I know of

Kobojunkie:

I didn't as you were you lived, I asked you for data to back up the claim you made.

China and Cuba don't have KGB and they are not necessarily in cold wars with Capitalists nations that I know of

what about all those attempts to assasinate castro?

I didn't as you were you lived, I asked you for data to back up the claim you made.

Personal observation. You need to move out from that Ohio(AKA osogbon) to the tristate abeg.

China and Cuba don't have KGB and they are not necessarily in cold wars with Capitalists nations that I know of

You don't mean this, do you?

oyb:

what about all those attempts to assasinate castro?

How does that have anything to do with this please

SOCIALISM , --- a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
an economic system based on state ownership of capital , a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done, is any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

COMMUNISM , --- the political, social, and economic system of certain countries in which the state, governed by a single party without formal opposition, owns all property. control the production and distribution of goods and services, and, to a great extent, control the social and cultural life of the people. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. a political and economic system under which productive property is owned by the people of the community collectively through the state.



CAPITALISM , ----A socio-economic system characterized by private initiative and the private ownership of factors of production. In such a system individuals have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labor for wages. an economic system that allows for private ownership of the means of production (land, labour, & capital) and assumes that economic decision making is in the hands of individuals or enterprises who make decisions expecting to earn a profit. an economic system in which the means of production, such as land or factories, are for the most part privately owned by individuals or corporations which compete with one another to produce goods and services that are offered on a free market for whatever profit may be made.
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Needlelady:

Personal observation. You need to move out from that Ohio(AKA osogbon) to the tristate abeg.

Strange how your personal observation seems to become fact when you post them in here. I did live for a period in Baltimore but mostly in the tristate area before I moved out this way. Have you heard of wilmington DE? I was based based out of there for a couple of years and had to take the train back and forth to washington for work for a while.

Strange how your personal observation seems to become fact when you post them in here. I did live for a period in Baltimore but mostly in the tristate area before I moved out this way. Have you heard of wilmington DE? I was based based out of there for a couple of years and had to take the train back and forth to washington for work for a while

DE is the domain for senior citizens now, what were you doing there anyway? and why move from Abeokuta to ogbomosho?

Needlelady:

DE is the domain for senior citizens now, what were you doing there anyway? and why move from Abeokuta to ogbomosho?

See , there you go again. I never knew that many old people living in DE. Now that I think of it, the numbee of seniors there compares with the number here and everywhere else I have lived in, in the last 10 years alone.

See , there you go again. I never knew that many old people living in DE. Now that I think of it, the numbee of seniors there compares with the number here and everywhere else I have lived in, in the last 10 years alone.

Oh yeah, that's where the old people retire and wait for their death. Another popular statae for them is Hawaii.

Needlelady:


Oh yeah, that's where the old people retire and wait for their death. Another popular statae for them is Hawaii.

What happened to the COMMUNISM for NIGERIA movementLMAO!!! Jokes aside, I think you may need to do some researching to understand what exactly you are asking for and why it is so close to what we have had for so long now that has yet to help the average Nigerian get off his/her feet.

What happened to the COMMUNISM for NIGERIA movementLMAO!!! Jokes aside, I think you may need to do some researching to understand what exactly you are asking for and why it is so close to what we have had for so long now that has yet to help the average Nigerian get off his/her feet.

China rose from slumber through their detterent communist laws. Nigeria can follow suit if all efforts to resuscitate it proves abortive.

Needlelady:

China rose from slumber through their detterent communist laws. Nigeria can follow suit if all efforts to resuscitate it proves abortive.

From the much that has been discussed so far, I am of the mind that

1) You have absolutely no clue what communism means at all. you seem to be on a rant against whatever we have now because you have somehow convinced yourself it has something to do with what america has and that is not the answer. You have not actually taken time to examine what we have in Nigeria right as we speak and understanding why it is not workig but you instead make it your place to decide because it sounds like the west to you means it is wrong.

2) China has been a communist nation now for well over 5000 years, suddenly china is able to raise itself out and communism is the reason?? You have no clue at all why china rose up now and what not. All you know is people are speaking of China and so China's way must be better cause it is not the way of the west?? I seriously urge you to do some reading of your own.

3) You barely have any clue about these things do you?? You just like to ramble at alot. I am not an economist myself but I believe basic understanding of ideas is needed for one to make some sort of point on issues. You serious lack those basics and I suggest again that you go back to do your research

China rose from slumber through their detterent communist laws. Nigeria can follow suit if all efforts to resuscitate it proves abortive.

china has deviated from the original cultural revolution collectivist policies. i doubt u are envious of income inequality and human right abuse in china. is that a model u want to follow.

china has deviated from the original cultural revolution collectivist policies. i doubt u are envious of income inequality and human right abuse in china. is that a model u want to follow.

Human right abuse? which country is not guilty of that? death penalty is the number one human right abuse, the king of them all and it happens in Nigeria everyday.

Human right abuse? which country is not guilty of that? death penalty is the number one human right abuse, the king of them all and it happens in Nigeria everyday.

did i say nigeria has a good human rights records. i think u need to visit human rights report and amnesty international to see how things is done in china. do u realize freedom of religion is surpressed in china. why don't u go live in communist paradise

From the much that has been discussed so far, I am of the mind that

1) You have absolutely no clue what communism means at all. you seem to be on a rant against whatever we have now because you have somehow convinced yourself it has something to do with what america has and that is not the answer. You have not actually taken time to examine what we have in Nigeria right as we speak and understanding why it is not workig but you instead make it your place to decide because it sounds like the west to you means it is wrong.

2) China has been a communist nation now for well over 5000 years, suddenly china is able to raise itself out and communism is the reason?? You have no clue at all why china rose up now and what not. All you know is people are speaking of China and so China's way must be better cause it is not the way of the west?? I seriously urge you to do some reading of your own.

3) You barely have any clue about these things do you?? You just like to ramble at alot. I am not an economist myself but I believe basic understanding of ideas is needed for one to make some sort of point on issues. You serious lack those basics and I suggest again that you go back to do your research

Since you have no clue about communism, why strain yourself over it? why not ask questions?
Again, most of these folks that clamour for capitalism here only do so because  most of them  are  govt contractors, own private businesses that gains from an irregular financial structure in Nigeria. Guys like OYB that fills his stomach from various underground govt contracts that pays no appropriate taxes to the govt can never vote for communism. You are actually alone here because all of them have an lterior motive. Think welfare in Nigeria, think about the millions of uneducated children in the north, think of a way to help northern Nigerian beat poverty and illeteracy and that's when I'll take you seriously. Think like a statesman Kobojunkie, think  outseide the box because I know you are a selfless arm chair critic.

did i say nigeria has a good human rights records. i think u need to visit human rights report and amnesty international to see how things is done in china. do u realize freedom of religion is surpressed in china. why don't u go live in communist paradise

Bla bla bla, christians abound in China till this day. Go there and see for yourselves. Do you know that millions of Nigerians(especially ibo people) live and do business in China?

Needlelady:


Bla bla bla, christians abound in China till this day. Go there and see for yourselves. Do you know that millions of Nigerians(especially ibo people) live and do business in China?

the catholic church is underground in china, churches are regularly raised. tibetian monks are regularly attacked. chinese muslims are a surpressed minority.

the catholic church is underground in china, churches are regularly raised. tibetian monks are regularly attacked. chinese great ones are a surpressed minority.

And those small small Nigerian churches that spring up everywhere nko? Great religion has no stronghold in the far East except Indonesia, Singapore is technically not far East.

Does that mean China is now a capitalist nation?? Cause I am not sure the Chinese know of this,  LMAO!!!

Look,  If you actually spent some time thinking about this, I mean thinking past your delusions, you would understand that removing government from most of what it has it's hands on now will propel that country far ahead or where it is now in seriously short time. Obasanjo tried to do this early in his time by trying to release government hold on the Power generation sector, banking and even Communication. I don't know how old you are but if you are old enough, you would have noticed a huge change in the ways things worked in that country during that time. Communication in private hands compared to communication in government hands. Huge, huge difference. Now imagine the same sort of thing happening to the power sector on a large scale and then to banks and even better education, and tell me how you see that as EVIL in Nigeria?? People are speaking out each day of how government happens to be the weight stopping Nigeria's development and you are here trying to tell me that more government is what we need as opposed to what we already have??
 
Please be rational on this issue. Try to understand how what you are asking for is no different from what we already have now and maybe you will see and understand how we ought to be going in the other direction at this point cause we already have over 47 years of records to show us that communism does not work in Nigeria at all. We know that in the past 47 years, government has basically had it's hand on most every sector in the Nigerian economy. Gains at the top rarely trickle down to the bottom cause the buck seems to stop there when it comes to what is happening in Nigeria. This seems the trend in most of africa. These contractors who you complain about are able to suck what they can get from the government and get away with doing low quality work because

1) The government is over stretched and not able to monitor every single contract it gives out
2) there is not enough competition in the market to help deter greatly reduce the occurence of such
3) No independent institutions able to go after these people and bring them to book

The list goes on. It is one thing to argue from an emotional point and that rarely turns out to be rational in anyway. I truly suggest that if you really love your people as you claim you do, you start researching ideas that will actually work and remove self from these things in order to be able to selflessly apply ideas and get values that matter.

Communism will NEVER come to Nigeria. We are made differently and we all believe that a man should be rewarded according to his hardwork - so don't even dream about it.

If you really look at the definition, Communism already came to Nigeria and is still in the fabric. From when we had dictators who ran an almost communistic nation back in the days to a country with majority of infrastrutural development and economy still controlled by government. We are still far from capitalism or socialism regardless of what individual Nigerians believe.

Ibime:

Communism will NEVER come to Nigeria. We are made differently and we all believe that a man should be rewarded according to his hardwork - so don't even dream about it.

which is why corrupt governors recieve heros welcomes in their villages, why 'yahooze' ( i am so ashamed to be from the same tribe as that olu prick) is a hit song. are u sure u r nigerian?

@oyb: and your point is?

oyb:

which is why corrupt governors recieve heros welcomes in their villages, why 'yahooze' ( i am so ashamed to be from the same tribe as that olu prick) is a hit song. are u sure you're nigerian?

But Oyb, Does a man working hard to earn money automatically mean it is all 419 related??

i guess what i'm trying to say is Ibime is alleging that 'a man should be rewarded according to his hardwork' is some sort of core nigerian value, which makes it impossible for us to be communists. but nigerians are rarely rewarded accoding to their efforts - which is why some incompetent contractors keep being awarded contracts

i know - offtopic( my rant against nigerian 'values' such as they are) _{i better keep mum -admin and LMAO! are watching me . . .}

oyb:

i guess what i'm trying to say is Ibime is alleging that 'a man should be rewarded according to his hardwork' is some sort of core nigerian value, which makes it impossible for us to be communists. but nigerians are rarely rewarded accoding to their efforts - which is why some incompetent contractors keep being awarded contracts

i know - offtopic( my rant against nigerian 'values' such as they are) _{i better keep mum -admin and LMAO! are watching me . . .}

But @Oyb, if you consider communistic countries that we know of today, we see that it is not really a choice that was made by the people. The People in most of those countries did not come together to vote to have communism, it was FORCED upon them. Sort of like what we have had in Nigeria from dictator after dictator for so many years now. Even now that we say we can elect leaders, we practically can not object to anything they do. They claim we voted them in but the information we have says otherwise. Are you sure communism is not what we have right now that you are complaining of?? Core Values of Nigerians has absolutely nothing to do with what Nigeria has been dealt with over and over now. Nigerians can believe anything they want but at the end of the day, they have to deal with what is forced upon them by government and our recent history shows us that we may been in this for a while longer if we choose not to do anything about it and fast too.

Kobojunkie:

If you really look at the definition, Communism already came to Nigeria and is still in the fabric. From when we had dictators who ran an almost communistic nation back in the days to a country with majority of infrastrutural development and economy still controlled by government. We are still far from capitalism or socialism regardless of what individual Nigerians believe.

We are far from capitalism, socialism AND communism. Your point is true that government does control our parastatals - but the people see no benefit - so we cannot really class it as communism. We cannot be communist because we privatise our industries - the only difference is that OBJ and his cohorts buy up all our industries at knockdown prices. What we practice is a mixture of tribalism, nepotism, big manism and thuggism.

Ibime:

We are far from capitalism, socialism AND communism. Your point is true that government does control our parastatals - but the people see no benefit - so we cannot really class it as communism. We cannot be communist because we privatise our industries - the only difference is that OBJ and his cohorts buy up all our industries at knockdown prices. What we practice is a mixture of tribalism, nepotism, big manism and thuggism.

While Nigeria has never had communism,you can't say a system isn't communist merely because "the people see no benefit".Communism is fatally flawed,thus,historically,people living in communist countries don't see any benefits.

Nigeria's economic model did however give Nigerians a glimpse of what life will be like if communism was implemented in Nigeria.With state control of major parastatals breeding corruption and inefficiency.

Communism as an economic model is considered a failure by most serious thinking people.Not even China today can be considered a communist nation. China is only communist in name.

By Oyb,
i guess what i'm trying to say is Ibime is alleging that 'a man should be rewarded according to his hardwork' is some sort of core nigerian value, which makes it impossible for us to be communists. but nigerians are rarely rewarded accoding to their efforts - [b]which is why some incompetent contractors keep being awarded contracts[/b]i know - offtopic( my rant against nigerian 'values' such as they are) i better keep mum -admin and LMAO! are watching me . .

You don't know how much I agree with you. You just don't know. 5 stars.

which is why corrupt governors recieve heros welcomes in their villages, why 'yahooze' ( i am so ashamed to be from the same tribe as that olu prick) is a hit song. are u sure you're nigerian?

Olu maintain is a darling. Take your time.