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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Ochek: 8:51am On Jun 24, 2013
Texas.Cowgirl:


This is why Turai stayed safe after her husband's death.

Hahahaha. Joker!
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 8:54am On Jun 24, 2013
naptu2: What does the law say? (Pay attention to sections 6, 8 and 10).



Still doesn't mean, in fact, she's been vindicated.
Thanks for the law anyway.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by chidexy(m): 9:00am On Jun 24, 2013
blink182: try it and let frsc or police get you. It will be like a joke when you land in prison. Then you will know the meaning of 'all animals are equal but some are more equal than others'.

what about all the traditional rulers who use the coat of arm and "official" emblems, despite their not being recognized constitutionally. It is the constitution that confers legitimacy not the emblem on the podium

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by ddeola: 9:01am On Jun 24, 2013
It's simple, by 2015 let's vote out these power-hungry people and vote in serious-minded people who are ready to move the nation forward

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 9:07am On Jun 24, 2013
naptu2: Flags And Coat Of Arms Act

Chapter 148

Laws of the Federation of Nigeria 1990

An Act to regulate the display and use of the National Flag, certain other flags and the National Coat of Arms.



1st October, 1960



Short title.

1. This Act may be cited as the Flags and Coat of Arms Act.



2. In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires “the National Flag” means the National Flag of the Federal Republic of Nigeria;

"public place" means any highway, wharf, street, bridge and thoroughfare, and includes every place (including any foreshore or any beach or open space belonging to the State) to which the public under ordinary circumstances have the right of legal access, whether with or without payment of any entrance fee or gate money, and also includes all land and land covered with water contiguous to a public place from which an act consti­tuting an offence against this Act would ordinarily be viewable by persons in such public place.



3. (1) Any person who otherwise than in conformity with the terms of a licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, flies or exhibits in any public place any of the following flags, that is to say-

(a) the Royal Standard or the personal standard of royalty as Head of the Commonwealth when in Nigeria;

(b) any flag for the time being appointed to be flown by the President;

(c) any flag appointed to be flown only on ships of the Nigerian Navy, or in connection with establishments of the armed forces of Nigeria or the armed forces of any member State of the Commonwealth;

(d) any flag for the time being appointed to be flown only by a Department, or any branch of a Department, of the -Government of the Federation;

(e) any flag so closely resembling any such flag as aforesaid that it might reasonably be taken to be that flag, shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.

(2) Any person who, except otherwise than in conformity with terms of licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, files or exhibits in any public place- ­

(a) the National Flag; or

(b) the flag of any member State of the Commonwealth, if the flag so flown or exhibited bears thereon any addition or is in any way modified or defaced, shall be guilty of al offence against this Act:

Provided that nothing in this subsection shall be deemed, to restrict the flying of exhibiting of the flag of any State in so far as the National Flag forms part thereof.



4. (1) Subject to the provisions of this section, if in any public place in Nigeria the National Flag is to be exhibited or flown for any purpose, it shall not be exhibited with or be flown on the same staff or cross bar with the flag of any State, or the flag of any Commonwealth or foreign country; and the National Flag or any other flag when exhibited or flown shall not appear in a defaced or tattered condition; but the National Flag shall not be deemed to be defaced by reason only of the fact that it is embodied in or forms part of a State flag.

(2) Where the flag of any State is flown in the State to which it relates or elsewhere than in the Federal Capital Territory Abuja, it shall not be necessary for the National Flag to be flown at the same time; but if the flag of a State and the National Flag are to be flown at the same time in a public place in that State or elsewhere in Nigeria, the National Flag of at least the same size as the State flag shall fly above that of any State flag.



(3) The Minister charged with responsibility for internal affairs may, from time to time, by notice either generally or specially authorise the flying of the flag of any Common­wealth country or of any foreign country in any public place, either alone or at the same time as the National Flag, and upon such terms and conditions as he thinks fit; but for the avoidance of doubt and to give effect to any diplomatic convention, no embassy, high commission, or consulate shall be a public place, and no means of transport when used by members of any embassy, high commission, or consulate shall, for the purposes only of this subsection, be deemed to be operating in a public place.

(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed so as to prohibit the flying by any ship other than a Nigerian ship, of the flag of the country where the ship is registered, or the flying of the National Flag by any ship entering or leaving a port in Nigeria.



5. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Act shall be construed so as to require a licence to exhibit or fly any flag within the meaning of subsection (2) of section (3) of this Act, if the person flying or exhibiting any such flag in a public place is actuated by no other motive than that of patriotism, the proof whereof shall lie upon such person.



6. Any person who, otherwise than in conformity with the terms of a licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, uses or displays­-

(a) in connection with the carrying on of any business, trade, profession or calling; or

(b) in connection with the activities of any body of persons, whether corporate or unincorporate, the National Flag, the National Coat of Arms or the Coat of Arms of royalty as Head of the Commonwealth, or any flag or arms so closely resembling that flag or either of those coat of arms that they might reasonably be taken to be that flag or coat of arms, shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.



7. Any person who flies or exhibits the National Flag in a defaced or bad condition shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.



8. Any police officer may seize and remove any flag in respect of which any offence against this Act has occurred, and may cause any flag so seized and removed to be disposed of in such manner as the Minister may direct.



(1) Licences issued by the Minister under the provi­sions of this Act shall contain such terms and conditions as the Minister may deem fit and may at any time be revoked, amended or altered by the Minister.

(2) All applications for such licences shall be in writing addressed to the Director-General of the Ministry having authority in matters to which this Act relates, and shall contain such information as the Minister may, from time to time, require.


Penalty­

10. Any person guilty of an offence against this Act shall be liable to a fine of one hundred naira and in the case of a continuing offence to a fine of ten naira for every day or part of a day during which the offence is continued after the day on which such person is first convicted.

http://www.nigeria-law.org/FlagsAndCoatOfArmsAct.htm


Read the bolded...

That portion of the constitution makes what shes doing perfectly legal..

The Coat of arms, Flag and all other insignia of Nigeria can be used by all of us as long as its not for a crrime and we dont deface it in anyway..

Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:08am On Jun 24, 2013
[size=18pt]None of the issues raised are against the 1999 Constitution (As Amended) because THE CONSTITUTION IS SILENT ON THOSE ISSUES.

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Pataki: 9:12am On Jun 24, 2013
percipi1:

I do not agree with your argument. The office of the First Lady may not be recognised in our constitution but it is provided official funding which is backed by constitutional authorities, -Presidency and National Assembly.. In line with this recognition by constitutional authorities, especially the Presidency, the occupant of the office is entitled to an official podium backed by all the paraphernalia of the Presidency. I do not fancy the present occupant, but that does not mean we must deny her the privilege that is attached to her office.

So if the office of the presidency decides to finance an office not recognized in our constitution, that makes it legal? Your argument makes me nauseated sincerely.

I suppose the presidency officially financing militancy, espionage, and their respective office holders is also permitted within our constitution - no?

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Abagworo(m): 9:15am On Jun 24, 2013
We should pray for Jonathan because he must be seeing hell at home. I wonder how she treated Jonathan when he was not big.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Policewoman(f): 9:17am On Jun 24, 2013
eGuerrilla:

Source: http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=125297:first-lady-on-an-illegal-podium&catid=37:editorial&Itemid=612#comments
Nonsense. This copy and paste article is nothing but an act of a personal vendatta against Dame Patience Jonathan. Didn't other first ladies e.g Abacha, Maryam, Turai do worse?
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Kabikala(m): 9:20am On Jun 24, 2013
Timehin:

Co-kini So you have a "cloned" copy of our constitution that makes her so abi

Appreciate sarcasm please!
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by takedat(m): 9:22am On Jun 24, 2013
percipi1:

I do not agree with your argument. The office of the First Lady may not be recognised in our constitution but it is provided official funding which is backed by constitutional authorities, -Presidency and National Assembly.. In line with this recognition by constitutional authorities, especially the Presidency, the occupant of the office is entitled to an official podium backed by all the paraphernalia of the Presidency. I do not fancy the present occupant, but that does not mean we must deny her the privilege that is attached to her office.
In the Appropriation Acts of 2011, 2012 and 2013, the office of the First Lady was not allotted any money, and it is not listed in the departments, agencies or commissions or other statutory bodies under the presidency. And no allocation was made for the office of First Lady under the cloak of any MDA. So it has no official funding backed by the constitution. Any allocation of money by the Federal government that is not contained in the allocation to MDA's, extra-ministerial departments, the presidency, offices of the head of service and secretary to the FG and federal executive bodies as established by Section 153 and listed in Part 1 of the third schedule to the constitution of FRN(supra) is VOID AB INITIO.


Even though we know she enjoys allocation of funds from the public treasury(The naija factor), her office and the un appropriated funds to her office are violations of the constitution.

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:23am On Jun 24, 2013
Pataki:

So if the office of the presidency decides to finance an office not recognized in our constitution, that makes it legal? Your argument makes me nauseated sincerely.

I suppose the presidency officially financing militancy, espionage, and their respective office holders is also permitted within our constitution - no?

Yes, when an office not provided for in the constitution is so designate and provided official funding, it become legal. The office of the a First Lady is a designate of the Presidency, therefore, it is legal and entitled as such.

Financing militancy or espionage is never official. There is no official funding for such activities. Any funding is unofficial not recognised by the National Assembly.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Pataki: 9:31am On Jun 24, 2013
percipi1:

Yes, when an office not provided for in the constitution is so designate and provided official funding, it become legal. The office of the a First Lady is a designate of the Presidency, therefore, it is legal and entitled as such.

Financing militancy or espionage is never official. There is no official funding for such activities. Any funding is unofficial not recognised by the National Assembly.

Where and how did you derive this legality from? Is this within our constitution? An illegal office not recognized by the constitution of our land is being funded by the presidency and you think Nigerians will eat this codswallop of yours?

Who made the office of first lady designate to the presidency - the constitution? Why do you people enjoy lies and deceit this much?
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Ikpewe: 9:34am On Jun 24, 2013
israel007: Well all I'm waiting for is her english o. If she like make she stand for calvary. Just speak the english
correct yourself ntung mkpo. You think you know how to speak english?
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:36am On Jun 24, 2013
take dat: In the Appropriation Acts of 2011, 2012 and 2013, the office of the First Lady was not allotted any money, and it is not listed in the departments, agencies or commissions or other statutory bodies under the presidency. And no allocation was made for the office of First Lady under the cloak of any MDA. So it has no official funding backed by the constitution. Even though we know she enjoys allocation of funds from the public treasury(The naija factor),

Agreed , that it is not a constitutionally designated office, however , it is backed by constitutional authority- presidency. Under the principle of delegated authority, the office of the First Lady becomes official at the pleasure of the President. The funding comes from the Presidency office.. If the president wishes, he may choose not to give it an imprimatur of officialdom. However, it has been the culture of past president, so it is today. You may not like the occupant, but that office is official as it is.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:36am On Jun 24, 2013
Pataki:

Where and how did you derive this legality from? Is this within our constitution? An illegal office not recognized by the constitution of our land is being funded by the presidency and you think Nigerians will eat this codswallop of yours?

Who made the office of first lady designate to the presidency - the constitution? Why do you people enjoy lies and deceit this much?

stop arguing with that illiterate
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by kalunomics(m): 9:36am On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:


Read the bolded...

That portion of the constitution makes what shes doing perfectly legal..

The Coat of arms, Flag and all other insignia of Nigeria can be used by all of us as long as its not for a crrime and we dont deface it in anyway..

Don't mind those sentimental partisan critics... Even those that have read the Constitution will be lured to expose the ill home training they got by raining abuses on people who are old enough to be their parents, rather than criticizing constructively
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:43am On Jun 24, 2013
Policewoman: Nonsense. This copy and paste article is nothing but an act of a personal vendatta against Dame Patience Jonathan. Didn't other first ladies e.g Abacha, Maryam, Turai do worse?

Do you think the advanced democracies you so much envy were developed by sweeping matters of national interest under the carpet?

What is it with you and this abhorrence of public debate on all things related to the current Presidency?

I sincerely hope you keep this tyrannical mindset under lock and key as you go about your daily duties, for the good of yourself and the general public at large grin

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 24, 2013
Pataki:

Where and how did you derive this legality from? Is this within our constitution? An illegal office not recognized by the constitution of our land is being funded by the presidency and you think Nigerians will eat this codswallop of yours?

Who made the office of first lady designate to the presidency - the constitution? Why do you people enjoy lies and deceit this much?

It appears to me that you don't understand the extent and precinct of the powers bestowed on the Executive President of Nigeria. He has power to create an office and name it ' Pataki '. It becomes official and can draw funding from the presidency coffer. Try and do a broad study on delegated authority vis-a-vis the office of the president of Nigeria and you will come to agree with me.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 9:46am On Jun 24, 2013
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by deleteme: 10:14am On Jun 24, 2013
But late Stella Obasanjo did the same thing while OBJ was in power, where wr u then? why all this premeditated attacks on GEJ why!! Is it now a sin that we are of the Minority?
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Reference(m): 10:54am On Jun 24, 2013
Every passing day this woman continues to deplete, degrade and destroy the office of the Presidency, the Government and country in general. I think it is high time she is removed, period. If GEJ cannot draw the line bgtween public and private, elected and appointed, so-called first lady and vice-president then others will do

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by naptu2: 11:02am On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:


Read the bolded...

That portion of the constitution makes what shes doing perfectly legal..

The Coat of arms, Flag and all other insignia of Nigeria can be used by all of us as long as its not for a crrime and we dont deface it in anyway..


That section does not refer to the coat of arms. It refers to the flag. However, the section that refers to the coat of arms states that it can be used if the person obtains a license from the Minister of Interior and complies with the terms stated in that license. Mrs Jonathan might have obtained a license.





6. Any person who, otherwise than in conformity with the terms of a licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, uses or displays­-

(a) in connection with the carrying on of any business, trade, profession or calling; or

(b) in connection with the activities of any body of persons, whether corporate or unincorporate, the National Flag, the National Coat of Arms or the Coat of Arms of royalty as Head of the Commonwealth, or any flag or arms so closely resembling that flag or either of those coat of arms that they might reasonably be taken to be that flag or coat of arms, shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.

 

7. Any person who flies or exhibits the National Flag in a defaced or bad condition shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.

 

8. Any police officer may seize and remove any flag in respect of which any offence against this Act has occurred, and may cause any flag so seized and removed to be disposed of in such manner as the Minister may direct.

 

(1) Licences issued by the Minister under the provi­sions of this Act shall contain such terms and conditions as the Minister may deem fit and may at any time be revoked, amended or altered by the Minister.

(2) All applications for such licences shall be in writing addressed to the Director-General of the Ministry having authority in matters to which this Act relates, and shall contain such information as the Minister may, from time to time, require.


By the way, that is not the constitution, it is an act of the National Assembly (people often mistakenly believe that all laws are in the constitution).


Sources of Nigerian law:

1) The Constitution

2) Acts of the national and state assemblies. (Decrees and edicts of military governments are now considered as acts of the state or national assembly)

3) Received English Law (Common Law, Doctrines of Equity, Statutes of General Application/laws made by the colonial government).

4) Judicial Precedent (court judgements).

5) Customary law (including sharia law).

6) Delegated legislation (Administrative agencies' regulations and rulings).

7) Historical, Literary or Formal sources (including latin maxims).
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by don33310(m): 11:34am On Jun 24, 2013
ilugunboy: When I opined on a thread that no Nigerian President has ever debased our Presidency the way GEJ is doing and that out sovereignty as a nation is in the wrong hands...I was called names by the people that feel they are having the best of times under GEJ..
They are now seeing the truth
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by don33310(m): 11:41am On Jun 24, 2013
abu12: Madam lazarus, the only woman who died 7time

But come to think of it, madam lazarus has always be incharge, Jonathan is just a figurehead.
I be your friend o,why you wan kill me with laugher na,na one life i get o. Lol
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Eziachi: 11:54am On Jun 24, 2013
I don't think this has anything to do with Mrs Jonathan or her to be blamed.
You have to look at those they paid with public fund to advise her husband. The likes of Abati, Okupe, Anyim etc. People who had no prior knowledge of governance and diplomacy but doing a job meant for professionals and learn as they go along. Those with no will to tell their boss the truth when it matters because, their number concern is their belly and relevance near that corridor or power, while feeding the ego of those they serve with whatever they can see, find or touch.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 12:05pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

Read the bolded...

That portion of the constitution makes what shes doing perfectly legal..

The Coat of arms, Flag and all other insignia of Nigeria can be used by all of us as long as its not for a crrime and we dont deface it in anyway..


If you look at the images below, you would note that the first lady appears to be using a 'counterfeit' seal which contains our coat-of-arms.


Seal of the President


Seal of the Vice President


Coat of arms
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by KDULAR: 12:13pm On Jun 24, 2013
J12: You folks should let this woman be for Christ's sake. So what if the office of the first lady is unconstitutional and she uses the nigerian coat of arms as an emblem? Does it change anything? No it doesn't.
This depicts you as someone who doesn't know what decorum and order is. People like you will not see a reason why the national flag could not be used as a towel , a table cloth or worst still a rag. I may not entirely blame madam for that ( she might not know anyway which is also a sad one as she being a teacher ) but the protocol details around her are to be entirely sanctioned for the denigration of the national symbol.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by shamson: 12:16pm On Jun 24, 2013
J12: You folks should let this woman be for Christ's sake. So what if the office of the first lady is unconstitutional and she uses the nigerian coat of arms as an emblem? Does it change anything? No it doesn't.
Another slowpoke grin
J12: You folks should let this woman be for Christ's sake. So what if the office of the first lady is unconstitutional and she uses the nigerian coat of arms as an emblem? Does it change anything? No it doesn't.
Another slowpoke
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 12:34pm On Jun 24, 2013
eGuerrilla:

If you look at the images below, you would note that the first lady appears to be using a 'counterfeit' seal which contains our coat-of-arms.



Wow!!

Based on this one... I have to accept defeat!!

That fat porky 200litre biittch is guilty of contravening the provisions of the laws of the Fed republic.

P.S: But you do realize that hers dosent say 'seal' right?! Just First Lady, Fed. Rep of Nigeria which she indeed is.. Just saying sha! However, if she doesnt have the consent of the minsiter in charge of handing out the livence to use the coat of arms, then shes guilty..

However.. She is indeed a beached Niger Delta whale.. grin
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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by raystanley(m): 12:46pm On Jun 24, 2013
gerald09: Nigerian own Magret Thatcher. Before I comment on the thread, please could Nigerians stop comparing every thing done or not done to the United States. Ѿε are not americans n it is ryt Ѿe don't do things like americans. The problem in Nigeria is dat Ѿε have adopted the culture of 4 different countries UK, US, UAE and Saudi Arabia n they all conflict with each oda. When will Nigerian do things like Nigerian so other countries in Africa will compare themselves to us. We don't have to be like the Americans to have a good government, the earlier we accept we are Nigerians n do thing like Nigerians the better and greater our country will be.
Now back to the article I will seriously blame the people that is in charge of handling the first lady, civil service is full of butt lickers, with no regard for rule n integrity dey wuld agree to anything, That is how much most Nigerians have lost their sense of dignity.
monkey we have long been with american system of regeim... So there should be order in like manner... Until we decide to switch and create african system of regeim and constitution
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by dplomaticVal: 12:49pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju: Erm....

Isn't every Nigerian entitled to use the Coat of arms? So if I design a podium, is it illegal to put the coat of arms on it? I thought it belonged to all of us to use as we please in a respectful manner? Example, can't I put the coat of arms on my vehicle? Or use it on my bed sheet?
..
My friend, u've d prerogative to design your personal rostrum n garnish it wit d coat of arm bt nt d hallowed seal which is sacrosanct nd exclusively reserved 4d presidnt!

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